The Wiz Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 A disappointing loss to Minn but one that did minimal damage.......Minimal because we are still on my Top 25 list (see the Top 25 thread from 12/21) We are still on my list ( and close on the AP 25), because we lost to a good team at home in a tough venue (The Barn)...If you want to see why we lost ...check the post game analysis in the Minn spread thread. On to KC...They are a D team. We are still an A team....The Kangaroos have one of the worst 3 P defenses ITN....kind of a go ahead and take the shot defense. Also their FT shooting is terrible....worse than the Bills in the last 2 years and that's saying a lot. On the positive side they like to take 3s and they are pretty good at it if no one bothers them...They have about a half dozen 3 pt shooters ready to chuck em. Let's see what the report card looks like.... .............................SLU..........................KC........................................................SLU.........................................KC .............................................OFF.....................................................................................................DEF............... PPG.........................A.............................F................................................................B-.....................................D+ FG%.........................A............................B-...............................................................C+......................................F+ 3Pt%........................A+ 15th ITN..........B+...............................................................C-......................................F-.. 8th WITN FT%.........................B+.... ......................F-.. 5th WITN........................................................................................... Reb.........................B-............................B.................................................................A+ 13th ITN......................B- OFF Rebs = total rebs...DEF Rebs = opp reb UP....Offense..none. ......Defense ..none Down...Offense...FG%......Defense....PPG......FG%...3P% Top 100 ITN (In The Nation) Assts...Collins....13th....up Rebs...Goodwin....10th....up PPG.....Perkins......93rd...dn Stls......Goodwin.....65th....dn...Collins...90th...dn 3P%...Jacobs...23rd... unch....Perkins....97th...dn Blks...French...86th ...up Double Double...Goodwin...1st...up No injuries this game by either team. You will note we are still A+ in 3P shooting even after a dismal 13% flop at Minn ....It shows you how crazy good we were in the 1st 7 games from the arc. Another interesting note...The Roos play a very weak schedule. The one exception is they played Minn and lost by 29 pts....That is pretty much all you need to know about them WWN2D2W....As I said above, they like to shoot 3s...Kamgain is probably their best 3Pt guy....Allick is their best all around player...a 6'8 forward who will play with 4 guards. The last main scorer is McKissic....we need to hold that group of 3 to under 30 pts. An interesting note about McKissic and Kamgain is they are both vulnerable to TOs. If we press them they will turn it over. If we can keep our own TO rate down (9 or 10)...we should have a TO margin of around 7....I would also like to see a Reb margin of at least 8. Bottom line.... If we play our game ...start to hit 3s again...and avoid mistakes ...this game is ours by 20+ pts....This game comes with a warning...Watch out for falling 3s.....We need to jump over the Kangaroos. Let's start a new winning streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I'm unhappy with any rebound margin that doesn't double the opponent. That's my new standard. Anything less is unacceptable. Billiken Rich and Bills By 40 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 https://www.midmajormadness.com/2020/12/20/22188787/kansas-city-roos-double-header-billy-donlon-college-basketball-summit-ncaa-christian-falcons Here is an oddity. The Roos played a double header Saturday against Kansas Christian College. As Ernie Banks said "Let's play two." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Old guy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Vegas spread by TeamRankings is 23.5 favoring SLU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 48 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Sounds like a ruse to me. HoosierPal, Slu let the dogs out?, White Pelican and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, HoosierPal said: It is a jackalope. HoosierPal likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny karate Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 It gonna be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I think the Bills will jump all over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Underoos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Vegas has the team total for SLU at 78...the over on that should be a LOCK. We've only scored less than 80 one game all season and in that game we scored 78, which would be a push. SLU_Nick likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Something to watch for / be aware of - so far this year in their 4 D1 games, UMKC has put guys on the FT line a ton. They've put guys on the FT line on 77.6% of the field goals attempted against them. This by far is the highest rate of any D1 team this season and the next one is 59.6%. SEMO - 35 FT attempts K State - 27 FT attempts Minn - 44 FT attempts Toledo - 26 FT attempts After getting to the line a ton last season (39.8% - 29th highest), the Billikens so far have been below average this season. Still I'm expected a ton of Billiken FTs during this game. UMKC may also be missing some players. Some key guys didn't play at all in the double header vs Kansas Christian including their leading scorer Brandon McKissic (SLUH), Marvin Nesbitt, Hidde Roessink, Zion Williams (not Williamson), and Demarious Pitts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said: UMKC may also be missing some players. Some key guys didn't play at all in the double header vs Kansas Christian including their leading scorer Brandon McKissic (SLUH), Marvin Nesbitt, Hidde Roessink, Zion Williams (not Williamson), and Demarious Pitts. In the opening post, I mentioned all players would be available on both teams. I checked a few minutes ago and that is still true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, The Wiz said: In the opening post, I mentioned all players would be available on both teams. I checked a few minutes ago and that is still true. Gotcha. I have no inside info and it would certainly be a shame if McKissic didn't get to play. I was just noting that those guys didn't play in the DH over the weekend. Do your #s have SLU shooting a ton of FTs this game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said: Gotcha. I have no inside info and it would certainly be a shame if McKissic didn't get to play. I was just noting that those guys didn't play in the DH over the weekend. Do your #s have SLU shooting a ton of FTs this game? Yes....One of the "secrets" to the "Ruse" poor defense is slowing the other team down by fouling. Assuming we have decent refs , I would expect around 40 FTA.. Last year, we were the WITN in FT% . Teams were anxious to send us to the line.....Now that we are a B+ team in FTs....not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: Last year, we were the WITN in FT% . Teams were anxious to send us to the line.....Now that we are a B+ team in FTs....not so much. I think it is too early in the year for teams to be adjusting based on stats from this season. I assume part of this has to do with French missing the first couple games, part of it has to do with mostly playing teams we're blowing out and refs therefore calling less fouls, and part of it is just kind of randomness. I also wonder if nonconference foes aren't as familiar with French & his FT struggles so they aren't as likely to hack him as A10 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Assuming we have decent refs Also wanted to point out that this is a BIG ask given the qualify of refs we have seen so far. I hope the Bills come out playing aggressive physical D knowing that UMKC is prone to foul a lot. Often it seems refs keep like to keep the fouls / FTs pretty even to appear as though they're calling it fair. If we're going to get a lot of fouls called on us because UMKC is so hack prone, I'd rather make our fouls count than get hit with ticky-tack BS to even it up. On the flip side, if the refs avoid calling fouls on UMKC for hacking us to keep things even, I'd just assume be physical with them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, RUBillsFan said: Also wanted to point out that this is a BIG ask given the qualify of refs we have seen so far. I hope the Bills come out playing aggressive physical D knowing that UMKC is prone to foul a lot. Often it seems refs keep like to keep the fouls / FTs pretty even to appear as though they're calling it fair. If we're going to get a lot of fouls called on us because UMKC is so hack prone, I'd rather make our fouls count than get hit with ticky-tack BS to even it up. On the flip side, if the refs avoid calling fouls on UMKC for hacking us to keep things even, I'd just assume be physical with them as well. If they want to get into a FT shooting battle with us...I will take that...we will win that battle. Even with a small sample size we are a better shooting FT team this year. As for French, he will have less opportunities at the FT line this year and that's fine. If we play aggressive D ...I hope we do it at the arc....Their game plan is to rain down 3s on us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, The Wiz said: If they want to get into a FT shooting battle with us...I will take that...we will win that battle. Even with a small sample size we are a better shooting FT team this year. As for French, he will have less opportunities at the FT line this year and that's fine. If we play aggressive D ...I hope we do it at the arc....Their game plan is to rain down 3s on us The weather forecaster is warning Kansas City of drought conditions in Chaifetz tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 KC has some nice looking guards playing a 4 out offense. I saw Allick play last weekend and I know he's solid. Bills need some buckets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I agree with Highmark, French needs to be less unselfish. Jacobs ties it at 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 French Rejection saves a bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 This game had an ugly feel to it BUT the numbers say different....They weren't great ...but not bad overall. Our slash was 49/42 /65... decent...one of the reasons the game felt worse than it was ....was because of the 1st half...40/ 29 / 67... that is not good especially against a D team. Kamgain is probably their best 3Pt guy....Allick is their best all around player. The last main scorer is McKissic....we need to hold that group of 3 to under 30 pts. They scored 38pts....if we hold the 29...we make the spread. If we can keep our own TO rate down (9 or 10)...we should have a TO margin of around 7....I would also like to see a Reb margin of at least 8. On TOs we came in at 11 ...close enough...I would be happy with 11s the rest of the season. The margin was narrower (+3 vs proj +7) but in a low scoring game the margin will be narrower. Same for Rebs...+6 vs +8 projected.... lower scoring = lower margins Which brings us to the main point....everything was a little under ... which is why everything was a little off. A deliberate slow down by KC in order to give themselves a chance to win. They couldn't run and gun with us ...so they played slow ball ...and it worked ...for 1 half. We made adjustments at halftime...and were back on track. A 25pt spread translates into 12.5 pt margins for each half. We won the 2nd half by 14 pts. Bottom line ...We did what we had to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 A win is a win however it comes our way. The OOC period is over. Now we go into conference play. HoosierPal likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Got a chance to see the replay - unable to watch last night. I guess my take away is the Billikens are now the hunted and they better come to play hard every game otherwise they are going to be disappointed with their season. Schasz and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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