CBFan Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, courtside said: On March 11, you said Sean Hannity was the only person downplaying COVID-19 at Fox News and the right, your words, not mine. You deferred to Old Guy as the board expert. He said many times COVID-19 U.S. deaths would be below 26,000. You, Brian, even said, "I think Old Guy projection will be closer than anything we got from models that were touted as gospel early on." "Old Guy clearly knew what he was talking about here." .....that was from April 14. You have also had a repeated pattern of downplaying the lack of preparedness and poor response. You supported calling it the Chinese virus and Wuhan virus. You supported Tucker Carlson, the same Tucker Carlson who said, "The curve flattened but quarantine had nothing to do with it. The virus just isn't nearly as deadly as we thought it was." ...among many other distrasous things. You have enabled and condoned dangerous and unproven medications for the treatment of COVID-19. I watch Tucker every night, he said there is no scientific proof that social distancing had anything to do with flattening the curve and the reason is because we do not know how many people actually had COVID-19. Tucker said it could be true just no proof. Your a good poster on this site I really like your opinion on Billiken basketball and I wish everyone will stop posting on a thread that brings out the worst in us when Billiken fans have so much to be excited about. @dennis_w don’t leave when the best of the Billikens is coming I hope you stick around to share in the excitement of an A10 championship and a run to the final 4. Be well Billiken fans. dlarry likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtside Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, CBFan said: I watch Tucker every night, he said there is no scientific proof that social distancing had anything to do with flattening the curve and the reason is because we do not know how many people actually had COVID-19. Tucker said it could be true just no proof. Your a good poster on this site I really like your opinion on Billiken basketball and I wish everyone will stop posting on a thread that brings out the worst in us when Billiken fans have so much to be excited about. @dennis_w don’t leave when the best of the Billikens is coming I hope you stick around to share in the excitement of an A10 championship and a run to the final 4. Be well Billiken fans. I really do appreciate the kind words. Thanks. The virus is obviously and unfortunately an important topic. I've known people affected of various ages and backgrounds. And that discussion is limited to this thread. I'm about to post in women's soccer and another thread in a minute. Maybe just read those threads. For fairness sakes, this is the video of what Tucker Carlson said, and how he said it, in his own words. Why don't we agree to just let him speak for himself and let people form their own conclusions? Fair? I found a clip: https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1254926131570126848?s=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 6 hours ago, brianstl said: Germany and Switzerland basically had the same responses and response timeline. Switzerland has actually tested more people on a per capita basis than Germany. The Swiss have a higher morbidity rate than the US and Germany has a remarkably low morbidity rate. Why is that? Well a huge part of that is because in Germany the virus up to this point has not spread among seniors at the rate it has in the rest of the world. Cuomo's order forcing senior facilities to take COVID patients is a major reason New York's death rate is so high. Comparing Germany and Switzerland's test counts are like comparing apples to oranges. Switzerland's morbidity rate is higher because their testing is heavily weighted to strongly symptomatic people. For a month of half, in fact, that's the only people they've tested. From a March 10 article: https://www.cnnmoney.ch/shows/big-picture/videos/coronavirus-count-switzerland The Swiss government is abandoning efforts to keep a close count of coronavirus cases to focus instead on easing the burden on the healthcare system and protecting those most at risk of dying such as the elderly. “The government has decided that they will only test people who are at risk, who have strong symptoms,” said Michael Hengartner, president of the ETH Board. “Young people, who might have weak symptoms, will simply be asked to stay at home to minimize contagion.” “Only patients who are hospitalized and health care staff will be tested for coronavirus,” said Claude Kaufmann, a spokesman for Hirslanden Private Hospital Group, which operates 17 hospitals. **************************************** The side effect of this strategy, of course, that mildly symptomatic people never got tested. Thinking they were OK, they continued to spread the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Still rather look at an aborted fetus gasping for air in a kidney bowl than this abomination of a thread.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, 3star_recruit said: Comparing Germany and Switzerland's test counts are like comparing apples to oranges. Switzerland's morbidity rate is higher because their testing is heavily weighted to strongly symptomatic people. For a month of half, in fact, that's the only people they've tested. From a March 10 article: https://www.cnnmoney.ch/shows/big-picture/videos/coronavirus-count-switzerland The Swiss government is abandoning efforts to keep a close count of coronavirus cases to focus instead on easing the burden on the healthcare system and protecting those most at risk of dying such as the elderly. “The government has decided that they will only test people who are at risk, who have strong symptoms,” said Michael Hengartner, president of the ETH Board. “Young people, who might have weak symptoms, will simply be asked to stay at home to minimize contagion.” “Only patients who are hospitalized and health care staff will be tested for coronavirus,” said Claude Kaufmann, a spokesman for Hirslanden Private Hospital Group, which operates 17 hospitals. **************************************** The side effect of this strategy, of course, that mildly symptomatic people never got tested. Thinking they were OK, they continued to spread the virus. I should have used mortality rate and not morbidity rate rate. The Swiss have a higher mortality rate than than the US and and staggeringly higher than Germany. Mortality rate is not impacted by who you test (unlike ,as you stated, morbidity). Mortality rate is based on death per thousand of population. Mildly symptomatic people should be no more able to spread the virus in Switzerland compared to Germany given lockdowns that were put in place in both countries. The lockdowns purpose are to prevent that type of transmission among untested. The key to difference between Germany and everywhere else is when it comes to mortality rate is that they avoided outbreaks among their senior population. The focus the Swiss placed on their senior population should have helped them stop or slow outbreaks among seniors, but it didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 5 hours ago, glazedandconfused said: Finally, old guy says something repulsive enough that there is no other option but It’s almost as bad as calling someone a Crews apologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Our 1st sweet 16 entrant in the Corona bracket goes to Oxford University......who just completed a Rhesus Macaque monkey (our closest relative) study...all monkeys were disease free 28 days after being given the school's new vaccine and then exposed to Coronavirus. ...this trial now leads to the 6000 person study which starts immediately....and will be completed by the end of May. This gains them entry into my T3 bracket....Treatment Trial Tourney bracket. A Final 4 possible by Sept (400,000 to be given the vaccine) ...with maybe a tourney winner ( Effective vaccine for the general public) before the end of the year Of course Oxford still has a number of games to play (always a chance for an upset).... Bottom line...We only need 1 team to win. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html moytoy12, JMM28, GoBills73 and 4 others like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Has this thread determined what wavelength of light needs to be injected for optimal sanitation? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 2 hours ago, VeniceMenace said: It’s almost as bad as calling someone a Crews apologist. National Coach of the Year Crews* apologist RUBillsFan likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Question for those advocating continued quarantining until a ramp up in testing. Has someone released any info into how testing can be done in our country at the scale required, how tracing would be instituted, and how long it will take to manufacture and/or acquire these tests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zink Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, The Wiz said: Our 1st sweet 16 entrant in the Corona bracket goes to Oxford University......who just completed a Rhesus Macaque monkey (our closest relative) study...all monkeys were disease free 28 days after being given the school's new vaccine and then exposed to Coronavirus. ...this trial now leads to the 6000 person study which starts immediately....and will be completed by the end of May. This gains them entry into my T3 bracket....Treatment Trial Tourney bracket. A Final 4 possible by Sept (400,000 to be given the vaccine) ...with maybe a tourney winner ( Effective vaccine for the general public) before the end of the year Of course Oxford still has a number of games to play (always a chance for an upset).... Bottom line...We only need 1 team to win. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html Just a quick note, rhesus macaques are most definitely not our closest relative... this is still a decidedly positive development, however! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, Zink said: Just a quick note, rhesus macaques are most definitely not our closest relative... this is still a decidedly positive development, however! I think you are right...I took that statement on the Rhesus monkey from Dr. Munster (interesting name) of the US National Institute of Health ...the researcher who conducted the experiment at the Rocky Mountain Lab in Montana for Oxford U. I looked it up....and we share 93% DNA with the Rhesus monkey....and 99% with the chimpanzee. So the Rhesus is close but not the closest ...but it is probably close enough to be a good test subject. In any case , it is a significant breakthrough in that it paves the way for the 6000 person trial in the next 30 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zink Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 9 hours ago, The Wiz said: I think you are right...I took that statement on the Rhesus monkey from Dr. Munster (interesting name) of the US National Institute of Health ...the researcher who conducted the experiment at the Rocky Mountain Lab in Montana for Oxford U. I looked it up....and we share 93% DNA with the Rhesus monkey....and 99% with the chimpanzee. So the Rhesus is close but not the closest ...but it is probably close enough to be a good test subject. In any case , it is a significant breakthrough in that it paves the way for the 6000 person trial in the next 30 days. It is often the closest relative that we test medicine on prior to human trials. They’re relatively easy to breed and keep in captivity, and are the lab rat of primate medical research/testing. But yeah, the two species within the genus Pan (Chimpanzees and Bonobos) are our closest extant relatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Not a silver bullet, but another weapon against the virus is showing promise: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/gilead-reports-positive-data-on-remdesivir-coronavirus-drug-trial.html JMM28 likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 14 hours ago, thetorch said: Question for those advocating continued quarantining until a ramp up in testing. Has someone released any info into how testing can be done in our country at the scale required, how tracing would be instituted, and how long it will take to manufacture and/or acquire these tests? One piece of the puzzle is having enough supplies for it. In an interview this week, Bill Gates said a swab of the nose has been as effective as the super long thing going nearly to your brain. My take was that those swabs are in less supply than your standard issue q-tip or whatever that is pretty readily available. It is being held up waiting FDA approval though. This would take away some of the fear of being tested, as its been reported to be fairly uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, kshoe said: Not a silver bullet, but another weapon against the virus is showing promise: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/gilead-reports-positive-data-on-remdesivir-coronavirus-drug-trial.html It looks like the FDA will roll Remdesivir as early today as an emergency treatment nationwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, kshoe said: Not a silver bullet, but another weapon against the virus is showing promise: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/gilead-reports-positive-data-on-remdesivir-coronavirus-drug-trial.html It looks like the FDA will roll Remdesivir as early today as an emergency treatment nationwide. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/live-updates-fda-plans-to-announce-emergency-use-of-coronavirus-drug/ar-BB13nS85?ocid=spartanntp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurk Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, brianstl said: It looks like the FDA will roll Remdesivir as early today as an emergency treatment nationwide. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/live-updates-fda-plans-to-announce-emergency-use-of-coronavirus-drug/ar-BB13nS85?ocid=spartanntp That's the drug they are studying at SLU med/hospital. https://www.slu.edu/news/2020/march/covid19-treatment-trial.php I was going to comment on outlook based on trials, but since I am not the board expert I will refrain since I don't want to be insulted. Spoon-Balls, RUBillsFan and GBL_Bills like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon-Balls Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 1:30 PM, glazedandconfused said: Finally, old guy says something repulsive enough that there is no other option but A joke that anyone considers this a-hole anything but the absolute antithesis of a medical professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 5 hours ago, laurk said: That's the drug they are studying at SLU med/hospital. https://www.slu.edu/news/2020/march/covid19-treatment-trial.php I was going to comment on outlook based on trials, but since I am not the board expert I will refrain since I don't want to be insulted. This study is more of a game changer than it seems. Now we have a treatment. Further studies will use this a the control group. We are very fortunate, that this was investigated and had initial trials against ebola. Scientific research of one disease may not initially pay off, but it eventually does. It sometimes takes us on elaborate pathways. Studying HIV has led to treatments for HIV, but also led to a knowledge base that facilitated Hep B and Hep C research, then ebola and to this drug for this pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, Basketbill said: This study is more of a game changer than it seems. Now we have a treatment. Further studies will use this a the control group. We are very fortunate, that this was investigated and had initial trials against ebola. Scientific research of one disease may not initially pay off, but it eventually does. It sometimes takes us on elaborate pathways. Studying HIV has led to treatments for HIV, but also led to a knowledge base that facilitated Hep B and Hep C research, then ebola and to this drug for this pandemic. There is/was a poster on here that was in administration at the VA and had a really good post about how the VA does a lot of research in ways you just described. I forget why it was even brought up or who it was, just that he put me in my place on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 12 hours ago, kshoe said: Not a silver bullet, but another weapon against the virus is showing promise: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/gilead-reports-positive-data-on-remdesivir-coronavirus-drug-trial.html I mentioned the original study on page 84 of this thread (Apr 16)...that's when I put Gilead/ remdesivir on my bracket....with the news today , I am going to move them up to the sweet 16...however I will give them a 16th seed...a game changer but as you point out not a silver bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 The unemployment rate is now above 23%. That is approaching the worst numbers of the Great Depression and almost two and half times higher than the worst number during the Great Recession. There was only one year in the Great Depression with a worse unemployment number. I think there is little doubt next month will be the worst unemployment number ever in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, brianstl said: The unemployment rate is now above 23%. That is approaching the worst numbers of the Great Depression and almost two and half times higher than the worst number during the Great Recession. There was only one year in the Great Depression with a worse unemployment number. I think there is little doubt next month will be the worst unemployment number ever in this country. That is correct, some businesses are starting to lay off people (Southwest Airlines and Boeing) in large amounts, even as the country starts to open up. Opening up does NOT mean all employees furloughed are recalled, most businesses will re start in a tentative fashion and gradually increase the number of recalls. Some businesses (retailers and restaurant chains) will use this lock down period to close locations that are not productive. So what you have in place is competing layoffs and furloughs vs recalls. Eventually the recalls will get the upper hand, but not immediately. Another factor that is coming our way real soon is the earnings reports for the Jan to March quarter. These are going to be, without a shade of a doubt, negative reports based upon the lock down of the economy last quarter. So we will be hit by a combination of poor earning reports plus increasing net layoffs and furloughs in the short term. By the way SSM is furloughing 2000 people. The hospitals are full of empty wards. Cars are still not selling, and regular people are having lots of problems paying rent and debt. All of these numbers will turn around but it will take time. Right now the economy is still on the way down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon-Balls Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Preliminary results from a vaccine human trial could here by mid June. Huge news. This is the best chance at a "silver bullet" that we've got. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/uk/oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-astrazeneca-gbr-intl/index.html JMM28 likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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