SLU & NCAA Corona Virus Discussion

[Slu let the dogs out?]

33 minutes ago, dlarry said:

 

Greatest movie of all time

[dlarry]

3 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said:

 

Greatest movie of all time

Moon River!!!

[HoosierPal]

57 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said:

You're assuming that "being at the mercy of Chinese" outweighs "let's make the most money for our shareholders" in the cost/benefit analysis of corporate decision makers.  If the corporations were that patriotic, they never would have moved all those jobs offshore in the first place.

When those decisions were made, I don't think I would call those companies 'not patriotic'.  But that was then and now is now.  Hindsight is pretty easy.  For me we need a serious rethinking about moving  jobs back into our own borders.

[JMM28]

Stanford study shows the number of people with antibodies in Santa Clara is 50-85 times the number that are reported which makes mortality rates there 50-85 times less. I assume that’s good news but still somewhat scary  

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1

[slusam]

26 minutes ago, JMM28 said:

Stanford study shows the number of people with antibodies in Santa Clara is 50-85 times the number that are reported which makes mortality rates there 50-85 times less. I assume that’s good news but still somewhat scary  

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1

If the study is correct it means for the Santa Clara area the death rate is basically the same as the flu. Dont know how that relates to other areas.

[JMM28]

4 minutes ago, slusam said:

If the study is correct it means for the Santa Clara area the death rate is basically the same as the flu. Dont know how that relates to other areas.

I believe there was some thought that the west coast was more likely to have this level of undetected or misdiagnosed because they have more connection to China - flights coming in and out of LAX, SFO, etc. Since China covered this thing up and misled everyone for 2 or 3 months, they had a much better chance of having people who were on flights back and forth from Wuhan/China at large. The numbers probably don't correlate to STL or anywhere else, but the mortality rate would definitely be lower. And that is something that most scientist/medical types have said would happen since the beginning of this. 

[Old guy]

2 hours ago, JMM28 said:

Stanford study shows the number of people with antibodies in Santa Clara is 50-85 times the number that are reported which makes mortality rates there 50-85 times less. I assume that’s good news but still somewhat scary  

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1

When you start finding large numbers of people with antibodies against Covid, people which are unaccounted for, this may suggest many possible cases. One that interests me is the possibility that the population tested may have been in contact with Covid or similar viruses prior to the present epidemic and are still carrying antibodies to it in their blood. There is nothing extraordinary about the possibility of other Corona epidemic and lots of people carrying antibodies from before the time of the present epidemic. You have to understand that Corona produces clinical symptoms similar to influenza, but prior to this year there was no way to separate the Corona cases from the pool of people with flu like symptoms. Therefore, prior Corona epidemics may  have passed totally undetected and bundled into the "flu" category in prior years.

If this possibility is correct, then the current PCR tests may be detecting fragments left over from prior epidemics which are not currently infectious or capable of transferring the disease. This would make the whole issue with measuring "new" cases suspect, as we may be measuring old cases that already have immunity. I am not saying this is a fact, but it is a probable scenario for this epidemic.

[brianstl]

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/

 

[GBL_Bills]

43 minutes ago, brianstl said:

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/

 

If people with the antibodies do end up being immune or less likely to get re-infected with the virus, this probably decreases the overall threat of a second wave.

[Spoon-Balls]

I can't even fathom the pain of having a loved one die alone...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/04/19/coronavirus-deaths-daughter-listens-hours-father-dies-alone/2986665001/

[courtside]

"We are living in a failed state."

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/underlying-conditions/610261/

[billiken_roy]

10 minutes ago, courtside said:

"We are living in a failed state."

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/underlying-conditions/610261/

what a b.s.article.   while reading keep in mind not one american died from the chinese flu virus prior to February 29th.    no way the libs would have stood for any mandates, emergency spending bills, etc at that point.    

[NH]

34 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

what a b.s.article.   while reading keep in mind not one american died from the chinese flu virus prior to February 29th.    no way the libs would have stood for any mandates, emergency spending bills, etc at that point.    

It's very clear from this response that you absolutely did not read the article. 

[SShoe]

57 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

what a b.s.article.   while reading keep in mind not one american died from the chinese flu virus prior to February 29th.    no way the libs would have stood for any mandates, emergency spending bills, etc at that point.    

While we'll never really know, we can at least look back to how the Democrats (and Republicans) responded during the financial crisis.

[Old guy]

Which financial crisis Shoe, the current one or 2008-2009?

[SShoe]

Just now, Old guy said:

Which financial crisis Shoe, the current one or 2008-2009?

08-09

[billiken_roy]

31 minutes ago, NH said:

It's very clear from this response that you absolutely did not read the article. 

you are right.   after i came to "The administration squandered two irretrievable months to prepare."   which would have to mean, January and February since march and now april, the president has been all over this chinese virus issues, i quit reading.  it was obvious the atlantic "article" intended to spray the nonsense about wasting January and February.   again, why would the president take drastic national mandates and spend trillions of dollars in relief and aid if no one has even died.   amazing how hindsight is always right though.  Ha!

 

 

[courtside]

"The year ahead"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/health/coronavirus-america-future.html#click=https://t.co/QSqstQpIFP

[Old guy]

3 minutes ago, SShoe said:

08-09

Good, in the 2008-09 financial crisis, also during election times, McCain (the Republican) showed himself to be a one pony show (military) and know exceedingly little about the economy. Obama (the Democrat of course) has a good grasp of the situation. Obama won, the rest is history.

[GBL_Bills]

4 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

  again, why would the president take drastic national mandates and spend trillions of dollars in relief and aid if no one has even died.   amazing how hindsight is always right though.  Ha!

People in other countries had died. Why in the world would you wait until an American has died to prepare?

[billiken_roy]

6 minutes ago, SShoe said:

08-09

no argument from me that mccain was a horrible candidate.  in hindsight america was in a no win situation that election.   both horrible leaders.

[SShoe]

Just now, Old guy said:

Good, in the 2008-09 financial crisis, also during election times, McCain (the Republican) showed himself to be a one pony show (military) and know exceedingly little about the economy. Obama (the Democrat of course) has a good grasp of the situation. Obama won, the rest is history.

I think i was referring more to the initial bank bailout package that had broad support from the Democrats, but less support from Republicans, as well as the stimulus package that received no Republican support.  My point is that Democrats tend to have a history (recent and not) of more proactive responses than the Republicans.  Much of this is probably due to one group believing government has a role to play and the other thinking that government is the problem.    

[SShoe]

1 minute ago, billiken_roy said:

no argument from me that mccain was a horrible candidate.  in hindsight america was in a no win situation that election.   both horrible leaders.

Man, you have a twisted sense of leadership these days. 

[billiken_roy]

4 minutes ago, GBL_Bills said:

People in other countries had died. Why in the world would you wait until an American has died to prepare?

if you are saying the administration did nothing at all for January - February, surely you know that is false.   

December 31: China reports the discovery of the coronavirus to the World Health Organization.

January 3: CDC Director Robert Redfield sent an email to the director of the Chinese CDC, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus.

January 5: CDC Director Redfield sent another email to the Chinese CDC Director, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak,

January 6: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus.

January 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus.

January 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China.

January 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles.

January 20: Dr. Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus.

January 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response.

January 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test.

January 27: President Trump tweeted that he made an offer to President Xi Jinping to send experts to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak.

January 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus.

January 27: The White House Coronavirus Task Force started meeting to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President. 

January 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President. 

January 31: The Trump Administration:

• Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.
   
• Announced Chinese travel restrictions.
   
• Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.

January 31: The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports.

February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government.

February 2: The CDC expanded enhanced entry screening to eight major airports across the nation.

February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus.

February 5: The Trump Administration and health officials briefed lawmakers on the Federal Government's coronavirus response efforts.

February 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs.

February 7: President Trump told reporters that the CDC is working with China on the coronavirus. 

February 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington.

February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine.

February 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials.

February 12: The CDC was prepared to travel to China but had yet to receive permission from the Chinese government.

February 14: The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus.

February 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections.

February 22: A WHO team of international experts arrives in Wuhan, China.

February 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.

Febraury 25: HHS Secretary Azar testified before the Senate HELP committee on the Administration's coronavirus response efforts.

February 26: President Trump discussed coronavirus containment efforts with Indian PM Modi and updated the press on his Administration’s containment efforts in the U.S. during his state visit to India.

February 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications.

February 29: The Trump Administration:

• Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea.
   
• Barred all travel to Iran.
   
• Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days.

March 3: The CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing to allow any American to be tested for coronavirus, “subject to doctor’s orders.”

March 3: The White House announced President Trump donated his fourth quarter salary to fight the coronavirus.

March 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of approximately 500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.

March 4: Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus.

March 6: President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak.

The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions.

March 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus.

March 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing.

[billiken_roy]

Just now, SShoe said:

Man, you have a twisted sense of leadership these days. 

i havent changed a bit since the days that the second best president since Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, was president.