SLU & NCAA Corona Virus Discussion

[glazedandconfused]

2 hours ago, brianstl said:

Carlson deserves credit here.  He was covering this virus accurately for a month before anyone else in the major media was taking it seriously and kept covering it despite people claiming he was being sensational in attempt to whip up xenophobia.

To be absolutely clear, most “mainstream media” was responsibly reporting on the severity of the coronavirus long before Carlson did. He was early by Fox News standards, but he isn’t breaking any ground journalistically. CNN, NYT, Wash Po, NPR, Politico have all been reporting on it since January. If we’re giving out credit to reporters for just not being wildly irresponsible and dangerous to the country, the list will get quite long.

 

 

[rgbilliken]

6 minutes ago, brianstl said:

Are you aware that two Wash U doctors have contracted the virus? But, yeah doctors are being ball less by demanding a mask.

Maybe he just means female doctors

[GBL_Bills]

6 minutes ago, glazedandconfused said:

To be absolutely clear, most “mainstream media” was responsibly reporting on the severity of the coronavirus long before Carlson did. He was early by Fox News standards, but he isn’t breaking any ground journalistically. CNN, NYT, Wash Po, NPR, Politico have all been reporting on it since January. If we’re giving out credit to reporters for just not being wildly irresponsible and dangerous to the country, the list will get quite long.

 

 

This is a university-related forum, we're used to grading on curves

[Old guy]

1 hour ago, brianstl said:

Are you aware that two Wash U doctors have contracted the virus? But, yeah doctors are being ball less by demanding a mask.

Do you think getting infected and even dying in some cases are not an integral part of what being an MD is all about? Everyone in the profession knows this can happen, there will be more health care personnel getting infected, some will die. Still, if something is in short supply it should not be used unless it is to treat a patient with Covid-19. There are not enough masks to see and treat all patients that come in through the door, period.

[Old guy]

57 minutes ago, rgbilliken said:

Maybe he just means female doctors

In case you are not aware of this "balls" used in the connotation I used them imply courage and the ability  to face risks. My MD daughter has no physical balls, but she has more courage in her (ergo "balls) than a lot of men have. As a matter of fact there are women everywhere that have a lot more "balls" of the non anatomical kind, than lots and lots of men. I guess you never noticed this. Maybe these women are not the kind of ladies you like to associate with, but there are a many of them out there, if you care to look around for them.

If you tested (-) for Covid-19, or if a test was not done and you had not been abroad recently, that surgeon had no reason, other than a lack of  "balls," to use the N-95s which are in short supply. If you did not like what I said about mitigation strategies, then look into it and explain why I am wrong. Just keep this in mind, once the full strength mitigation and triage strategies are in place you will not like them. No one will.

 

[rgbilliken]

1 hour ago, Old guy said:

In case you are not aware of this "balls" used in the connotation I used them imply courage and the ability  to face risks. My MD daughter has no physical balls, but she has more courage in her (ergo "balls) than a lot of men have. As a matter of fact there are women everywhere that have a lot more "balls" of the non anatomical kind, than lots and lots of men. I guess you never noticed this. Maybe these women are not the kind of ladies you like to associate with, but there are a many of them out there, if you care to look around for them.

If you tested (-) for Covid-19, or if a test was not done and you had not been abroad recently, that surgeon had no reason, other than a lack of  "balls," to use the N-95s which are in short supply. If you did not like what I said about mitigation strategies, then look into it and explain why I am wrong. Just keep this in mind, once the full strength mitigation and triage strategies are in place you will not like them. No one will.

 

I guess I should’ve used blue font on the female doctor comment...
In my case, I agree the surgeon could’ve saved the masks for a higher risk situation, which is most certainly coming his way. My only point in any of these posts is because people keep saying the bad thing about covid 19 is our healthcare system can’t handle it. I’m providing an example that just happened to me in which it turned out basically fine for me, but might not have in about two weeks. 

[Sheltiedave]

RG, the folks who are listening to the medical profession understand the unstated back half of the fact /hospitals are going to be overwhelmed/

The people who are not listening to the medical profession are too busy buying into the position that Covid is all an overblown media hoax, and therefore all resultant precautions arising from that first hoax also perpetuate that hoax.

Yesterday Alton Memorial had multiple people at their ER who were symptomatic at the same time, resulting in the ER being locked down, transitioned into a Covid ward, and all ER traffic places on diversion.

Some folks are still trying to politicize this, proving they still can’t recognize competent professionals from incompetent salesmen. Again, public health trumps politics, and business as normal.

Unfortunately, people are going to die from triage situations due to numbers. We all are glad that you managed to get get your gallstones removed just in time, and pray you and your family arrive at the other end of this journey unscathed. It will get much worse before it lessens.

[slufan13]

I have a friend who has severe asthma. She has to self quarantine for 12 weeks because although she is totally healthy otherwise, she would be at extremely serious risk if she contracted the virus. It's not just old people who are seriously impacted by this. This is a big deal.

I am perfectly healthy and would probably have minimal to no long term risk of I contracted the virus. Same with my wife and my daughter. Even ignoring the fact that I could spread it to those who are at bigger risk, I still just simply don't want to be sick

[BIG BILL FAN]

10 hours ago, Pistol said:

 

Let's revisit your first post in this thread:

Only a week later and it's really not aging well, is it?

I really don't get why you continue to downplay it after being so wrong, over and over.

I know reading comprehension isn't your thing but if you go back you'll notice I said China is not the roadmap we can expect, we should look to Italy as a warning (because even though we aren't a perfect 1:1 comparison culturally, we've taken a far more similar approach to this than South Korea or China), we should try to emulate South Korea's testing, and provided links with data. You shared a link after getting challenged on a post that came across as super ignorant. It's not my fault that you're a bad communicator and have a history of dumb posts in this thread and elsewhere.

I'm proud of you for sharing a link to a pretty good Wired article and not a misspelled meme, a link to InfoTruthBlaze.net or whatever, or a video from a guy in wraparound shades filming himself while driving around in his Ford Ranger. I don't dispute anything in the article at all and found it a worthwhile read. We're still tracking two weeks behind Italy with this outbreak, though, and the potential is much worse here because of our population. Your article doesn't contradict anything anyone else said.

I'm not happy with myself for looking at posts from people who have been on my ignore list for years. You and @HenryB are trolls and this would be a much better thread without your nonsense.

Lol, all you proved is I was correct. The average age of those who die is 80, you also lied. I never mentioned China once, and Italy is not a comparable comparison as evidenced by FACTS WHICH I PROVIDED. As for making this political, you would have to be a complete nitwit to say politics aren’t coming in to play. You deliberately lied about our President’s response because of your well known disdain. Oh, and as for name calling, you’re  becoming almost as proficient as you are with your well appreciated recruiting analysis. Sadly your ego sometimes clouds your ability to accept other’s views...

[cheeseman]

10 hours ago, Old guy said:

No problem cheeseman I was given a link to the Brit study showing over 2m deaths in the US. Not valid, check my analysis. Look at my post with the graph and tell me in what Universe we are going to have 2M deaths when China was below 3000 deaths as of March 15 th. A lot of the stuff published in the media is just crap, and that includes articles published by professionals.

Fair enough - Brian also pointed out that the study assumed that we did nothing which was not highlighted.  That is why when I mentioned the study I said "if they are correct" - nobody really knows.

[Sheltiedave]

Big Bill Fan, we can recognize you have a different view. We can analyze your different view. We can assess your different view.

We can compare your stated view against newer, up to date Covid data, and multiple expert medical and epidemiological data and analysis, and we can realize your minority view is both misinformed, a danger to public health, and mainly wrong.

There can exist a platform where needed medical information, analysis, and behaviors override political dogma, and this is both a time and a platform for that to occur.

Please feel free to divorce yourself from political drumbeating and join us in trying to kick Covid in its lipid encrusted ass!

[Old guy]

56 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said:

 join us in trying to kick Covid in its lipid encrusted ass!

You will need really tiny feet and boots to kick a virus in its lipid encrusted ass.

[Sheltiedave]

Yep, no big, hairy toed feet like a hobbit need apply!

[BIG BILL FAN]

2 hours ago, Sheltiedave said:

Big Bill Fan, we can recognize you have a different view. We can analyze your different view. We can assess your different view.

We can compare your stated view against newer, up to date Covid data, and multiple expert medical and epidemiological data and analysis, and we can realize your minority view is both misinformed, a danger to public health, and mainly wrong.

There can exist a platform where needed medical information, analysis, and behaviors override political dogma, and this is both a time and a platform for that to occur.

Please feel free to divorce yourself from political drumbeating and join us in trying to kick Covid in its lipid encrusted ass!

Again, what exactly did I say that you disagree with?

is it the average age of death from the virus is 80?

is it that Italy has different circumstances than us,  that is ramping up their cases?

is it you disagree that some aren’t using this as a reason to disparage the President?

is it you’re  not concerned about what the possible impacts of destroying our economy will do and that it shouldn’t be discussed?

 

The fact is not one of you hypocrites want to answer any of those questions. I can’t believe that anyone on here is happy about anyone losing their life. It’s stunning that on average there are 200-400 lives lost daily during the flu season, yet I’ve never heard one comment on it from some of our esteemed and knowledgeable posters.. why is that, are they uncaring?? Maybe this should be a great reminder for all of us to appreciate the sanctity of life. Gosh, maybe we could even have a discussion on the 700,000 unborn children who are murdered every year in this country. Especially, since we are all fans of a Jesuit basketball team... somehow, I don’t think there would be the appetite for that. Meanwhile let’s keep calling everyone you disagree with a troll and maybe we can drive down participation to single digits... lastly, is this the same compassionate, caring Sheltiedave who went out of his way to mock and demean Jimmy Bell??? Hmm...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sheltiedave]

4 hours ago, BIG BILL FAN said:

Again, what exactly did I say that you disagree with?

is it the average age of death from the virus is 80? At this point in time, I disagree. Just like your next point, the average mortality age differs from country to country, and is driven both by medical fragility, quality of care, and ability to employ lifesaving measures. The figure the CDC has published, in America, is 80% of Covid fatalities are in the age cohort of 65+ years of age.

is it that Italy has different circumstances than us,  that is ramping up their cases? There are so many variables everywhere, but most individual countries can be grouped within three or four cohort peer groups. Bergamo, Italy is the hardest hit area, and it is the second highest per capita income province in the Country

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_regions_by_GDP

is it you disagree that some aren’t using this as a reason to disparage the President?

I really don’t care if the President gets disparaged or not. He richly deserves to get raked over the coals for his early brilliant incompetencies. He has zero expertise in medical matters, he headed an administration that neutered the established pandemic team, and at every opportunity until the last few days, every time he got in front of a live mic, he was a font of wrong information.

is it you’re  not concerned about what the possible impacts of destroying our economy will do and that it shouldn’t be discussed? Our economy is going to be temporarily be destroyed by the Covid impact. Please read up on what Max Starkloff did as PH director for St. Louis city during the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic. We need to replicate that.

The government temporarily needs to turn socialistic for the next six months minimum for the good of everyone.

 

The fact is not one of you hypocrites want to answer any of those questions. I can’t believe that anyone on here is happy about anyone losing their life. It’s stunning that on average there are 200-400 lives lost daily during the flu season, yet I’ve never heard one comment on it from some of our esteemed and knowledgeable posters.. why is that, are they uncaring?? Maybe this should be a great reminder for all of us to appreciate the sanctity of life. Gosh, maybe we could even have a discussion on the 700,000 unborn children who are murdered every year in this country. Especially, since we are all fans of a Jesuit basketball team... somehow, I don’t think there would be the appetite for that. Meanwhile let’s keep calling everyone you disagree with a troll and maybe we can drive down participation to single digits... lastly, is this the same compassionate, caring Sheltiedave who went out of his way to mock and demean Jimmy Bell??? Hmm... More than one poster has pointed out that Jimmy is heavy footed, or can’t jump over a phone book. I called him a troll, which can be just as pejorative as calling other players beasts or bullies, etc. As for your other hit list items, please include every disease that takes human life, if you want not to discriminate.

This should engage you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[billiken_roy]

i dont recall anyone but you attacking jimmy bell jr to the negative degree you did at the beginning of the season.   by season end, you were proven to be wrong.

[courtside]

 

[Sheltiedave]

Roy, my assessment at the beginning of the season was correct. I should not have used the troll word, mea culpa.

i also recognized why Ford employed the Bell starting strategy, and all credit to Bell for maximizing his efforts to justify Ford’s investure, working his ass off through the course of the season, and improving his stamina and strength.

AnOther significant poster noted Bell could not jump over a phone book, and no one said a contrary word. People pick and choose who their enemies are on this site, and dog them for years.

You dogged me all season about Goodwin being the best point guard on the team, and the best everything for that matter. For some people, they wear their Billiken blue glasses and drink too deeply of the blue kool to provide a dispassionate analysis.

Taj got mugged after last season for pointing out areas that Goodwin and French need to improve. He could publish the same list today, and we would be a top 10 team this coming season if they accomplished his observations.

The best coaches I ever played under were brutally frank about every deficiency each player on the team had, and gave all of us impossible metrics to meet, and then gave us the means to improve. The rest was up to us.

Why do some programs excel, and others are perennial has beens? The winning programs recruit the character, skill, attitude, and work ethic in players, let them develop and lead, and then keep finding those players.

The has beens can never develop the culture, don’t get enough player leaders, and always are looking in.

Goodwin stepped up at the end of the season with his free throws. We need both of them to show up next season with a jumper, and French at55% on his free tosses

[billiken_roy]

4 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said:

Roy, my assessment at the beginning of the season was correct. I should not have used the troll word, mea culpa.

i also recognized why Ford employed the Bell starting strategy, and all credit to Bell for maximizing his efforts to justify Ford’s investure, working his ass off through the course of the season, and improving his stamina and strength.

AnOther significant poster noted Bell could not jump over a phone book, and no one said a contrary word. People pick and choose who their enemies are on this site, and dog them for years.

You dogged me all season about Goodwin being the best point guard on the team, and the best everything for that matter. For some people, they wear their Billiken blue glasses and drink too deeply of the blue kool to provide a dispassionate analysis.

Taj got mugged after last season for pointing out areas that Goodwin and French need to improve. He could publish the same list today, and we would be a top 10 team this coming season if they accomplished his observations.

The best coaches I ever played under were brutally frank about every deficiency each player on the team had, and gave all of us impossible metrics to meet, and then gave us the means to improve. The rest was up to us.

Why do some programs excel, and others are perennial has beens? The winning programs recruit the character, skill, attitude, and work ethic in players, let them develop and lead, and then keep finding those players.

The has beens can never develop the culture, don’t get enough player leaders, and always are looking in.

Goodwin stepped up at the end of the season with his free throws. We need both of them to show up next season with a jumper, and French at55% on his free tosses

i dont wish to go through the above one sided view and critique your wrongness.   but pretty much everything you say is your fantasy opinion.   and in my opinion wrong.   

[3star_recruit]

19 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said:

Roy, my assessment at the beginning of the season was correct. I should not have used the troll word, mea culpa.

i also recognized why Ford employed the Bell starting strategy, and all credit to Bell for maximizing his efforts to justify Ford’s investure, working his ass off through the course of the season, and improving his stamina and strength.

AnOther significant poster noted Bell could not jump over a phone book, and no one said a contrary word. People pick and choose who their enemies are on this site, and dog them for years.

You dogged me all season about Goodwin being the best point guard on the team, and the best everything for that matter. For some people, they wear their Billiken blue glasses and drink too deeply of the blue kool to provide a dispassionate analysis.

Taj got mugged after last season for pointing out areas that Goodwin and French need to improve. He could publish the same list today, and we would be a top 10 team this coming season if they accomplished his observations.

The best coaches I ever played under were brutally frank about every deficiency each player on the team had, and gave all of us impossible metrics to meet, and then gave us the means to improve. The rest was up to us.

Why do some programs excel, and others are perennial has beens? The winning programs recruit the character, skill, attitude, and work ethic in players, let them develop and lead, and then keep finding those players.

The has beens can never develop the culture, don’t get enough player leaders, and always are looking in.

Goodwin stepped up at the end of the season with his free throws. We need both of them to show up next season with a jumper, and French at55% on his free tosses

The only difference I can see between my description of Bell and yours is that mine was actually more detailed.  So that tells me that it wasn't really the assessment of his athletic ability that people objected to.  It's that certain words trigger negative images. 

In your mind you were just using troll as a short-hand for calling him big and heavy-footed, which is obvious to anyone who has ever watched him play.  Unfortunately, troll is also synomonous with "ugly" which is one of the worst things you can call somebody in an image-conscious society.   Once folks got triggered by that word, they weren't going to listen to anything else you had to say.   

Even really bright people, like the ones we have on this board, can have a blind spot when it comes to vocabulary and context.  Especially in a society with so many different cultural perspectives, where we don't give people outside our social circle the benefit of the doubt.

Note that I could introduce the term "bully ball" with barely any pushback.  By the end of season the board was celebrating it.  While our parents told us we shouldn't bully people, in the world of sports and business, bullies rule.  In the context that adult sports fans care about, being a bully is a good thing.

 

[wgstl]

*This thread*

 

[moytoy12]

25 minutes ago, wgstl said:

*This thread*

 

If it helps, SLU about to tip off in this simulated tournament: https://twitter.com/fixthemadness

We won a first four game v. Iowa and now play Texas Tech in a few minutes. 

[wgstl]

5 minutes ago, moytoy12 said:

If it helps, SLU about to tip off in this simulated tournament: https://twitter.com/fixthemadness

We won a first four game v. Iowa and now play Texas Tech in a few minutes. 

ha suck it Garza

[Sheltiedave]

Good matchups against Iowa!

[moytoy12]

Just now, Sheltiedave said:

Good matchups against Iowa!

Has had a big game, even went 3-4 from the FT line. Total domination of Garza.