Bay Area Billiken Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Also, the NET is a bigger factor in picking the NCAA at larges, not so much in the NCAA Tournament seeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelC Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: Because there are ten teams in their conference with 18-11 records or better. It's almost impossible to get a bad loss in that conference and very easy to get Q1 wins. Exactly. St Johns is 4-12 (with 2 of those wins against last place DePaul) in the Big East and has lost 6 of their last 8, yet they have a NET of 64. But in a league where the last place team has a NET of 81 and 5 of the teams have a NET of 25 or better, where would the bad losses come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Beating George Mason should lock in an at large invite to the NIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Utah State (Considered last 4in): 21-8 record— 2-4 Q1 , 2-2 Q2 , 7-2 Q3 , 10-0 Q4, SOS: 121 , Away: 4-6 Billikens (Not even considered for bubble): 20-8 record— 2-5 Q1 , 2-1 Q2 , 9-2 Q3 , 7-0 Q4, SOS: 93, Away: 6-4 Please explain to me how Utah St is on the right side of the bubble and we aren’t even being considered right now BuiltFordBills, Zink, BigMouthBilliken and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: Utah State (Considered last 4in): 21-8 record— 2-4 Q1 , 2-2 Q2 , 7-2 Q3 , 10-0 Q4, SOS: 121 , Away: 4-6 Billikens (Not even considered for bubble): 20-8 record— 2-5 Q1 , 2-1 Q2 , 9-2 Q3 , 7-0 Q4, SOS: 93, Away: 6-4 Please explain to me how Utah St is on the right side of the bubble and we aren’t even being considered right now There is no legitimate explanation. I look at those teams considered IN, knowing that SLU is better than a number of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: Utah State (Considered last 4in): 21-8 record— 2-4 Q1 , 2-2 Q2 , 7-2 Q3 , 10-0 Q4, SOS: 121 , Away: 4-6 Billikens (Not even considered for bubble): 20-8 record— 2-5 Q1 , 2-1 Q2 , 9-2 Q3 , 7-0 Q4, SOS: 93, Away: 6-4 Please explain to me how Utah St is on the right side of the bubble and we aren’t even being considered right now It must have something to do with margin of victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: It must have something to do with margin of victory. In their wins, their margin of victory is 8.71, ours is 8.05 (if you cap it at 10 points). in losses they lose by an average of 7.25, we also lose by an average of 7.25. not too big of a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Teams ahead of us in NET with fewer Quad 1 wins: VCU Alabama ETSU UNI Houston, with a NET of 19, also has two Q1 wins: 45 (Wichita St) away and 65 (Southern Carolina) away. SLU's are 48 (Richmond) away and 51 (URI) away. It makes no sense. Clear that UMass loss has kicked us out of that bubble tax bracket though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 hours ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: Utah State (Considered last 4in): 21-8 record— 2-4 Q1 , 2-2 Q2 , 7-2 Q3 , 10-0 Q4, SOS: 121 , Away: 4-6 Billikens (Not even considered for bubble): 20-8 record— 2-5 Q1 , 2-1 Q2 , 9-2 Q3 , 7-0 Q4, SOS: 93, Away: 6-4 Please explain to me how Utah St is on the right side of the bubble and we aren’t even being considered right now Their two Q1 wins are against #32 Florida and #33 LSU. slufan13 and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 hours ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: In their wins, their margin of victory is 8.71, ours is 8.05 (if you cap it at 10 points). in losses they lose by an average of 7.25, we also lose by an average of 7.25. not too big of a difference That's actually a considerable difference: 0.66 points. Think about how all 351 teams are compressed into a range between 1 and 10. If there were an even distribution, the difference between each team is 0.02849. 0.66 represents a difference of 23 spots. RUBillsFan likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Just win the next 5 and they will be in. Our team is capable of this they way they playing now. If we see Duquesne again the third time will be a charm. MusicCityBilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Albany, Spokane, or Sacramento... HERE WE COME First Four: March 17-18 -- Dayton | Tickets First/Second Rounds: March 19, 21 -- Albany, St. Louis, Spokane, Tampa | Tickets First/Second Rounds: March 20, 22 -- Cleveland, Greensboro, Omaha, Sacramento | Tickets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Hope if Bills do get in the NCAA it's Tampa as I have tickets. Let's Go Bills!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I’m not sure why a team going 2-5 against Q1 is worse than a team going 1-2 or 2-4 etc. should that Contradict at the very least some sort of strength of schedule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Not sure this has been posted yet, but here’s the rough outline of what goes into NET. A common misconception is that winning by up to 10 points is all that matters. That’s partially true. For Part 1, it’s capped at 10 pts, but for efficiency margins, it is not capped. You can also see road games and neutral site games are very important. As someone said earlier, this is just a whole bunch of words and calculations to allow the committee to have the freedom to choose who they want RUBillsFan likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I posted this before. It is from the NCAA website. The selection committee uses more than the NET to select At Large Teams. Selection Criteria The NCAA Evaluation Tool, known as the NET, is in its second year of existence and is one of many factors used by NCAA sports committees when evaluating team selection, seeding and bracketing. The components of the NET include the Team Value Index, which is based on game results and factors game location, the opponent and outcome, as well as net efficiency, winning percentage, adjusted winning percentage and a capped scoring margin. Other criteria the committee considers in the selections process: An extensive season-long evaluation of teams through watching games, conference monitoring calls and regional advisory committee rankings. Complete box scores and results. Head-to-head results and results versus common opponents. Imbalanced conference schedules and results. Overall and nonconference strength of schedule. The quality of wins and losses. Road record. Player and coach availability. Various computer metrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: I posted this before. It is from the NCAA website. The selection committee uses more than the NET to select At Large Teams. Selection Criteria The NCAA Evaluation Tool, known as the NET, is in its second year of existence and is one of many factors used by NCAA sports committees when evaluating team selection, seeding and bracketing. The components of the NET include the Team Value Index, which is based on game results and factors game location, the opponent and outcome, as well as net efficiency, winning percentage, adjusted winning percentage and a capped scoring margin. Other criteria the committee considers in the selections process: An extensive season-long evaluation of teams through watching games, conference monitoring calls and regional advisory committee rankings. Complete box scores and results. Head-to-head results and results versus common opponents. Imbalanced conference schedules and results. Overall and nonconference strength of schedule. The quality of wins and losses. Road record. Player and coach availability. Various computer metrics. The best on is the last. Various computer metrics=whatever we want billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 10 hours ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: Utah State (Considered last 4in): 21-8 record— 2-4 Q1 , 2-2 Q2 , 7-2 Q3 , 10-0 Q4, SOS: 121 , Away: 4-6 Billikens (Not even considered for bubble): 20-8 record— 2-5 Q1 , 2-1 Q2 , 9-2 Q3 , 7-0 Q4, SOS: 93, Away: 6-4 Please explain to me how Utah St is on the right side of the bubble and we aren’t even being considered right now -only thing I can see is that their conference has a #1 seed at the moment with the thought it should have a second team, an argument I would make for the A10 is if SVU gets a #1 seed the conference should get another team -but we will see on the 15th how corrupt or legit the process to select the field is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewsorlose Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I try to be a moderate voice on this stuff, but can't believe ESPN's Bubble Watcher, Jon Gasaway, is still profiling Georgetown. They were a likely tournament team, but lost 2 starters due to suspension in December. They're 5-11 in the Big East, and 15-14 overall. As good as the Big East is, that's a joke profile. They've lost 4 in a row and 8 of 11. Why profile them and not SLU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, Crewsorlose said: I try to be a moderate voice on this stuff, but can't believe ESPN's Bubble Watcher, Jon Gasaway, is still profiling Georgetown. They were a likely tournament team, but lost 2 starters due to suspension in December. They're 5-11 in the Big East, and 15-14 overall. As good as the Big East is, that's a joke profile. They've lost 4 in a row and 8 of 11. Why profile them and not SLU? ESPN's old Bubble Watch guy went over to The Athletic. He's always pretty reasonable: https://theathletic.com/1648733/2020/03/03/bubble-watch-weve-never-seen-anything-quite-like-this-ucla-season/?article_source=search&search_query=eamonn Crewsorlose likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, Littlebill said: ESPN's old Bubble Watch guy went over to The Athletic. He's always pretty reasonable: https://theathletic.com/1648733/2020/03/03/bubble-watch-weve-never-seen-anything-quite-like-this-ucla-season/?article_source=search&search_query=eamonn Eamonn Brennan is the ESPN guy who wrote the hit piece on SLU when Jared Drew left. I don't want to link it. I'll maintain my dislike for him even if he is more reasonable about bubble teams than another guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slubilliken09 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 54 minutes ago, Littlebill said: ESPN's old Bubble Watch guy went over to The Athletic. He's always pretty reasonable: https://theathletic.com/1648733/2020/03/03/bubble-watch-weve-never-seen-anything-quite-like-this-ucla-season/?article_source=search&search_query=eamonn Agree - he does a good job and responds to comments frequently. 32 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said: Eamonn Brennan is the ESPN guy who wrote the hit piece on SLU when Jared Drew left. I don't want to link it. I'll maintain my dislike for him even if he is more reasonable about bubble teams than another guy. It's not just about being reasonable about bubble teams - it's about being open to critique and different opinions from subscribers. He does a nice job. ...and Jared Drew left in 2013 during the Crews era. Might be time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Majerus Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 5 hours ago, CBFan said: Just win the next 5 and they will be in. Our team is capable of this they way they playing now. If we see Duquesne again the third time will be a charm. It’s hard to beat a good team 3 times in a row. Dayton & Duquesne are well scouted & have no surprises for us & we are trending well. I’m optimistic about any future meetings Billiken Rich and Bills71 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, slubilliken09 said: ...and Jared Drew left in 2013 during the Crews era. Might be time to move on. Honestly, I'm pro-anyone who is anti-jim crews slubilliken09 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 It's shaping up to be NCAA Tournament: Dayton and Richmond NIT: Rhode Island and Saint Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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