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12 minutes ago, bauman said:

Sorry, but I would have to put that in the category of "coach-speak," especially given the staff's expectations for JG, HF and GJ (who TF described as one of the very top 3 pt shooters in the country).  And lets remember that Bess predicted Perkins to be the best Billiken and he was very close to being correct, so FT had a long road to hoe to be our leading scorer.

Look guys, I drink Billiken Blue Kool Aid every year.  I thought we would be very good this year  (22-9 overall and 12-6 in conference) and I think we will be very good, even better, next year.  I'm just sayin, I know what we are adding with GJ and FT and without more than them we are basically the team we had at the beginning of this year.  A very good team, but not top 30-40, in my opinion and adding them does not make us a Sweet 16 team next year.  And I hate to repeat myself, but again this assumes no top level addition to the roster.  If TF and staff can get a 4 * shooter then that can make a big difference.  Without that type player, we will be in the hunt just not a projected leader of the pack.  As written above, I see us as top 3-5 in a very good conference and that's not too shabby.

I understand. To be transparent. This wasn't something I heard from them on the radio just trying to make the players sound good. It was something told by the coaching staff to someone in my family at the airport after the Auburn game and before the flight home. Fred's has the ability to score at all three levels. He can create his own shot. Another reminder, Fred's vertical dwarfs that of participants in this years NBA dunk contest. Before illness, I truly think he's the best athlete in the Atlantic-10. I don't doubt that they really meant it. Maybe his leading scorer numbers are only 14ppg. Doesn't mean he's doing what Perkins is doing night in and night out right now. 

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1 hour ago, bauman said:

I like both of them a lot, but what is the possible basis of your statement  that they are better than any incoming A 10 players.  We don't even know who those players are!

I'm in the same boat.  Recruiting is still ongoing. Transfers haven't happened yet.  Who will be in the A10 next year is for me still uncertain.

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25 minutes ago, bauman said:

Sorry, but I would have to put that in the category of "coach-speak," especially given the staff's expectations for JG, HF and GJ (who TF described as one of the very top 3 pt shooters in the country).  And lets remember that Bess predicted Perkins to be the best Billiken and he was very close to being correct, so FT had a long road to hoe to be our leading scorer.

Look guys, I drink Billiken Blue Kool Aid every year.  I thought we would be very good this year  (22-9 overall and 12-6 in conference) and I think we will be very good, even better, next year.  I'm just sayin, I know what we are adding with GJ and FT and without more than them we are basically the team we had at the beginning of this year.  A very good team, but not top 30-40, in my opinion and adding them does not make us a Sweet 16 team next year.  And I hate to repeat myself, but again this assumes no top level addition to the roster.  If TF and staff can get a 4 * shooter then that can make a big difference.  Without that type player, we will be in the hunt just not a projected leader of the pack.  As written above, I see us as top 3-5 in a very good conference and that's not too shabby.

Last year ended with seven players getting significant time: Has, JGood, Thatch, Foreman, Isabel, Wiley, Bess. Bess was the best player on the team. That team was 10-8 in the A-10. 4 of those guys gone, plus Thatch. This was a really new team with lots of unknowns. And we're headed toward the same A-10 record even though the league is stronger. Here's what we now know:

- Perkins is a baller

Yuri is a gifted passer and good on ball-defender who needs a jump shot

- Jimmerson is an unreal shooter 

- Hargrove is raw but will contribute. 

Here's what we don't know: whether Ford can mold this team into a more consistent defensive team; whether the FT shooting can go from atrocious to merely bad; whether Bell and Collins can put int the work to make a leap; whether Strickland can fit in; whether a 5th year player could improve the team. To me, injuries could derail the team, or simple problems of chemistry and luck. But they should be considered a favorite to make the NCAAs. If it falls right, they can have a season in between what Dayton and URI have done this year. But there are way fewer unknowns. 

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28 minutes ago, bauman said:

Sorry, but I would have to put that in the category of "coach-speak," especially given the staff's expectations for JG, HF and GJ (who TF described as one of the very top 3 pt shooters in the country).  And lets remember that Bess predicted Perkins to be the best Billiken and he was very close to being correct, so FT had a long road to hoe to be our leading scorer.

Look guys, I drink Billiken Blue Kool Aid every year.  I thought we would be very good this year  (22-9 overall and 12-6 in conference) and I think we will be very good, even better, next year.  I'm just sayin, I know what we are adding with GJ and FT and without more than them we are basically the team we had at the beginning of this year.  A very good team, but not top 30-40, in my opinion and adding them does not make us a Sweet 16 team next year.  And I hate to repeat myself, but again this assumes no top level addition to the roster.  If TF and staff can get a 4 * shooter then that can make a big difference.  Without that type player, we will be in the hunt just not a projected leader of the pack.  As written above, I see us as top 3-5 in a very good conference and that's not too shabby.

If we aren't top 25 at some point next year I will be extremely disappointed.

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2 hours ago, RiseOfTheBillikens said:

I don't believe he'll ever be 100% until I see it. I know you were just passing on information. Just my opinion

Healthcare has come a long way.  Gotta believe he will be healthy enough to be in the rotation even if he can go for only 15 to 20 minutes a game.  I would take that for sure.  After all, only five can see the floor at a time.

 

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1 minute ago, TheChosenOne said:

Wait, someone actually believed that? Wasn’t something similar said about Mike Crawford?!?!

Do I think that his vertical is really as high as the coaches said. Maybe not. Do I believe that his vertical is above 40". Yes. Been at floor level while they warm up and his vertical is ridiculous

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1 minute ago, hmart23 said:

Do I think that his vertical is really as high as the coaches said. Maybe not. Do I believe that his vertical is above 40". Yes. Been at floor level while they warm up and his vertical is ridiculous

Maybe not? You think there is a chance that Fred Thatch can leap higher than any guy in recent NBA drafts?

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1 minute ago, TheChosenOne said:

Wait, are you being serious? I am finding that what was posted (Tweeted by Stu Durance as 46 1/2 inch vertical) would be the NBA Draft Combine record (46 inches is the record) and we are talking about that being Fred Thatch.

He saying he doesn't think it's 46 but he believes it's at least 40. I happen to agree. Think it was slightly exaggerated but he is a freak.

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1 minute ago, TheChosenOne said:

Wait, are you being serious? I am finding that what was posted (Tweeted by Stu Durance as 46 1/2 inch vertical) would be the NBA Draft Combine record (46 inches is the record) and we are talking about that being Fred Thatch.

than ANY guy in recent NBA drafts give a is what you said. That's a pretty wide range.  

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2 hours ago, bauman said:

What I don't get is the feeling that we are going to be much better next year, at least in the A 10, than we are this year.  Ya, maybe top 4, but not likely to be picked any higher than that.  Lots of league teams coming back loaded next year.  Now, add a 3 pt sniper to go along with Jimerson and I will start to feel more optimistic   VCU, URI,  Duq, Richmond and even UMASS might all be rated higher than us and of course, SVU is always over-rated.  I'm not saying that we can't win the A 10 next year, I'm just saying that it's not even close to being a cakewalk, even if we are better just with the additions of GJ and Fred.   Let's just not assume an NCAA bid as a given next year, it will still be an ujphill climb.

If we have the season you're describing, Ford's job should be in danger, IMO. Next season should be the culmination of Ford's work to this point. If it isn't, that's a problem going forward.

However, I don't really agree with bauman's sentiment

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Just now, RiseOfTheBillikens said:

He saying he doesn't think it's 46 but he believes it's at least 40. I happen to agree. Think it was slightly exaggerated but he is a freak.

That is why I followed up, he said he thinks there is a chance that Fred Thatch has a vertical leap higher than any measured at the NBA Draft Combine.

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2 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said:

That is why I followed up, he said he thinks there is a chance that Fred Thatch has a vertical leap higher than any measured at the NBA Draft Combine.

He ment any of the players. Not the highest out of all of them. I'm positive Fred has a higher vertical than some NBA players drafted. Is what he was saying.

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1 minute ago, hmart23 said:

than ANY guy in recent NBA drafts give a is what you said. That's a pretty wide range.  

? I found the Tweet from Stu and it would be the highest in NBA Draft Combine history. At the time I initially posted I didn't have the exact number, but that shouldn't change the discussion.

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1 minute ago, TheChosenOne said:

That is why I followed up, he said he thinks there is a chance that Fred Thatch has a vertical leap higher than any measured at the NBA Draft Combine.

That's not what I said. You said leaps higher than any guy in recent NBA Drafts. I said i absolutely think he has a higher vertical than some players being drafted. read the question you wrote maybe before you send it? 

"You think there is a chance that Fred Thatch can leap higher than any guy in recent NBA drafts?"

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5 minutes ago, hmart23 said:

That's not what I said. You said leaps higher than any guy in recent NBA Drafts. I said i absolutely think he has a higher vertical than some players being drafted. read the question you wrote maybe before you send it? 

"You think there is a chance that Fred Thatch can leap higher than any guy in recent NBA drafts?"

Gotcha. Not what I meant, but I realize my initial post was poorly worded.

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Just now, TheChosenOne said:

? I found the Tweet from Stu and it would be the highest in NBA Draft Combine history. At the time I initially posted I didn't have the exact number, but that shouldn't change the discussion.

There are guys being drafted with Verticals literally in the low 30s. NBA 2 Guard. Same position as Thatch, Jordan Poole. 35.5. I don't doubt that Thatch has a higher vertical than that

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21 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

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You're posting his frosh stats plus a few games this year when he has an illness that takes away his strength and energy. If he's healthy you'd have to assume he can increase his offensive production by minimum 4-6 points a game plus be the defensive specialist we've lacked from our guards this year. 

We're also adding in Jimerson. We haven't had a peak Perkins with a healthy Jimerson this year. Even with Perkins not finding his form yet when Jimerson was playing, I think we had a 50-60 ranked team this year. With Jimerson back and Perkins in peak form plus Thatch (and I'm really thinking his help on defense will be just as valuable as his offense if not more valuable), 

Bell, Collins, and Jacobs will all be improved. 

This 8 is minimum a  top 40 team French, Goodwin, Thatch, Jimerson, Perkins, Bell, Collins, and Jacobs. 

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