wgstl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, slu72 said: Let's just win the foucking tourney and end all this speculation! I believe that is also the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 Today we need ETSU to win the SoCon tournament. If they lose they get an at large, which takes a spot off the bubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, CBFan said: If SLU wins the A10 tournament what would their seeding be in the big dance? Beating Dayton and making it is one thing but a better seed puts SLU in a position to play an opponent that is even with them instead of having to upset one of the blue bloods. It is nice to be in a position that winning a conference tournament is a real possibility instead of a long shot. When we won the A10 conference last year, I believe we got a 13th seed at the Dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 @Old guy: we did, but we came literally from out of nowhere as the sixth seed in our conference. I'd be curious to know who we knocked out by getting that autobid. Who were the first four out last year? Lunardi's page doesn't go back that far in the current archives. Last year, which was the only one I found, the last teams being considered were NC State, Belmont, Indiana, NC-Greensboro and Alabama. I know Belmont got it. Our win bounced somebody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 As far as I recall, last season we were predicted to be dead last in the A10 conference and it was kind of amazing that we ended conference at the level we finished at. Then swept the A10 tournament and won the automatic bid. We had a better conference standing this year coming into the last 5 conference games. I also think at the beginning of conference play this season a lot more was predicted for us that did not happen up to the last 5 games. We finished with a 4th seed this year, and I see SLU as a possible winner of the A10 tournament. The circumstances for last year were different, but they were also similar in a certain way. How that will affect the outcome at the A-10 Tournament I do not know. If we win the A10 tournament, it would be nice if we are seeded at a better level than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Old guy said: As far as I recall, last season we were predicted to be dead last in the A10 conference and it was kind of amazing that we ended conference at the level we finished at. Then swept the A10 tournament and won the automatic bid. We had a better conference standing this year coming into the last 5 conference games. I also think at the beginning of conference play this season a lot more was predicted for us that did not happen up to the last 5 games. We finished with a 4th seed this year, and I see SLU as a possible winner of the A10 tournament. The circumstances for last year were different, but they were also similar in a certain way. How that will affect the outcome at the A-10 Tournament I do not know. If we win the A10 tournament, it would be nice if we are seeded at a better level than last year. We were predicted 1st actually I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, Taj79 said: @Old guy: we did, but we came literally from out of nowhere as the sixth seed in our conference. I'd be curious to know who we knocked out by getting that autobid. Who were the first four out last year? Lunardi's page doesn't go back that far in the current archives. Last year, which was the only one I found, the last teams being considered were NC State, Belmont, Indiana, NC-Greensboro and Alabama. I know Belmont got it. Our win bounced somebody. We knocked out Texas, who went on to win the NIT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 nm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 From Jeff Borzello of ESPN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Semi-related: I saw Jerry Palm on TV during halftime of one of the Arch Madness games this weekend. I'm not sure if I had ever actually seen the guy before. He is a mess. DirtyRican and Spoon-Balls like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Of those considered(I know NET may or may not be a big deal but its all we have to go off of): Purdue 33 net, next: #7 osu Arkansas 47 net, next: #14 vandy SLU 49 net, next: tbd State 50 net, next: tbd RI 57 net, next: tbd Memphis 58 net, next: #11 East Carolina Uconn 59 net, next: #12 Tulane - c'mon green waves Tennessee 63 net, next: #9 alabama South Carolina 67 net, next: tbd Tulsa 78 net, next: tbd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 56 minutes ago, Old guy said: When we won the A10 conference last year, I believe we got a 13th seed at the Dance. We also had a NET of 103. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, 3star_recruit said: We also had a NET of about 103. Low net with only 23 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 -I thought HP had posted the selection criteria but I didn't see it on a quick check so I went to ncaa.com and will post it below, but on the site it has a couple blurbs in a Did You Know? box and the first one is "there's no limit to the number of teams from a conference that can be selected for participation in the tourney." - is this saying "hello Big 10"? as is the last line.... -from the site.. Selection Criteria The NCAA Evaluation Tool, known as the NET, is in its second year of existence and is one of many factors used by NCAA sports committees when evaluating team selection, seeding and bracketing. The components of the NET include the Team Value Index, which is based on game results and factors game location, the opponent and outcome, as well as net efficiency, winning percentage, adjusted winning percentage and a capped scoring margin. Other criteria the committee considers in the selections process: An extensive season-long evaluation of teams through watching games, conference monitoring calls and regional advisory committee rankings. Complete box scores and results. Head-to-head results and results versus common opponents. Imbalanced conference schedules and results. Overall and nonconference strength of schedule. The quality of wins and losses. Road record. Player and coach availability. Various computer metrics. Team Sheets The committee often refers to "team sheets" when comparing team performance. The team sheets contain in-depth team information about strength of schedule, performance against teams sorted by quadrants and results. Starting with the 2017-18 season, the team sheets took on a new look. They now not only include each team’s NET, but also include a team’s ranking in five other metrics: the ESPN strength of record and BPI rankings, as well as the KPI, KenPom and Sagarin rankings. In addition, a team’s schedule and results are now broken down in four quadrants that place greater emphasis on games played on neutral courts and in true road environments. The quadrant breakdown is as follows: Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75. Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135. Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240. Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus. Download team sheets Seeding The committee creates a seed list 1 through 68 — which is used to assess competitive balance of the top teams across the four regions of this national championship. Additionally, the seed list reflects the sequential order with which teams will be placed in the bracket. Automatic Qualifiers: A total of 32 conferences will place an automatic qualifier in the NCAA tournament field. These qualifiers are determined by conference tournaments. At-Large: With the tournament field of 68, there are 36 at-large spots after the automatic qualifiers. The committee selects the 36 best teams to fill the at-large berths. There is no limit on the number of at-large teams the committee may select from one conference. -and those making the decisions... Meet the Committee Kevin White Division I Men’s Basketball Committee chair and director of athletics at Duke University White began service on the committee Sept. 1, 2015 and is serving as chair of the committee for 2019-20. Other Committee Members Include: Mitch Barnhart, director of athletics, University of Kentucky Tom Burnett, commissioner, Southland Conference Charles McClelland, commissioner, Southwestern Athletic Conference Bernadette McGlade, commissioner, Atlantic 10 Conference Michael O’Brien, vice president and director of athletics, University of Toledo Jim Phillips, vice president for athletics and recreation, Northwestern University Jamie Pollard, director of athletics, Iowa State University Chris Reynolds, vice president for intercollegiate athletics, Bradley University Craig Thompson, commissioner, Mountain West Conference Did You Know? Conference representatives cannot be in the room when teams from their conference are being discussed for inclusion, nor are they allowed to vote for them. Same goes for a school representative, who cannot participate in or vote for their own school. Committee members are assigned to conferences to monitor play throughout the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Indiana has as much business in the NCAAs as SIUE. Plus, their fans are imbeciles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, Box and Won said: Semi-related: I saw Jerry Palm on TV during halftime of one of the Arch Madness games this weekend. I'm not sure if I had ever actually seen the guy before. He is a mess. moytoy12 and BillIkenFan_Dan like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slufan10 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: We knocked out Texas, who went on to win the NIT UNCG was the first team out last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 The situation is simple for SLU. Win the next 2 and NCAA bound. Lose either and say hello to the NIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 no doubt beating dayton in the semi's would jump the NET some, but not sure if a loss then in the championship to say duquesne or lower doesnt put us back to where we were. i still think that maybe richmond is the only team with a shot at an at large without winning the tourney. hope i am wrong for the conferences sake. one bid for the A-10 this year would be horrible. imo the fact we have no other teams with an obvious at large bid right now screams they dont have the net formula right imo. dlarry likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: We were predicted 1st actually I believe During the prior season, just before conference play or soon thereafter we were were expected to be 1st counting from the bottom as I recall. Now if you want to talk about the wild summer predictions, yeah the sky was the limit, it always is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: no doubt beating dayton in the semi's would jump the NET some, but not sure if a loss then in the championship to say duquesne or lower doesnt put us back to where we were. i still think that maybe richmond is the only team with a shot at an at large without winning the tourney. hope i am wrong for the conferences sake. one bid for the A-10 this year would be horrible. imo the fact we have no other teams with an obvious at large bid right now screams they dont have the net formula right imo. A loss in the championship would put as at 24-9 with a NET ranking likely in the 30s and a win over a top 5 team on a neutral court. We also would have won 7 of our last 8. Nothing is certain, but that should put us in the dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 52 minutes ago, JettFlight5 said: Indiana has as much business in the NCAAs as SIUE. Plus, their fans are imbeciles. And the entire Nation, Coast to Coast and across the Fruited Plain, is clamoring to see those 16-15 Purdue Boilermakers. All those Neil Armstrong fans out there are practically salivating. Notre Dame Football Highlights on Sunday mornings, as the camera showed the scoreboard: "Purdue failed to move the ball, so we move to further action in the 3rd Quarter." JettFlight5 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, 3star_recruit said: We also had a NET of 103. True, we have a much better NET number this year, and it probably will get even better after tournament play. Assuming we do get to go to the Dance, I have no idea how the better performance this season will affect the seeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Old guy said: True, we have a much better NET number this year, and it probably will get even better after tournament play. Assuming we do get to go to the Dance, I have no idea how the better performance this season will affect the seeding. We will probably be a 11. O could see a sweet 16 run the way we are playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slubilliken09 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: I could see a sweet 16 run the way we are playing Inject this sentiment directly into my veins. BILLIKENS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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