Cowboy Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: The NCAA Tournament Selection Committee doesn't "slot" conferences. They don't say, "Such-and-such conference can have only X number of teams in the field." If four A-10 teams are deserving of bids, with respect to all of the other teams, then that's how many will get in. At least, that's what they always claim. -I believe it is just a claim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewsorlose Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Cowboy said: -I believe it is just a claim No, it's true. We got 5 teams around 2012. Different conference. At large teams are all competing against one another for bids and seeds. That's the reality. Power conference teams get lots more opportunities, and non-P5 teams are punished for weak schedules when almost no P5 teams will schedule a Home & Home with a team like us. Doesn't change reality though. Every conference complains about not getting enough respect, how tough their league is, and how the NCAA hosed them. Fact is A-10 had a good OOC, but also muffled a lot of opportunities. URI playing so well that the committee will forgive the loss to Brown. Their other OOC losses looking better and better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 2:04 AM, BillsBeliever!!! said: 17spots left ALMOST IN: USC TIER ONE: Wisconsin, Texas Tech TIER TWO: Michigan, St Mary’s, Indiana TIER THREE: Arkansas, BYU, Memphis, NC State, Florida, Virginia, Rhody, VCU , Minnesota, Stanford TIER FOUR: N. Iowa, Oklahoma, Alabama, VTech, Purdue, Yale, and St Louis TIER FIVE: Tulsa, Miss St, Cincy, Xavier, Texas, DePaul, ETSU, and Richmond ALMOST OUT: Arizona State and Washington (play each other Saturday, loser has no chance) Tiers one to three (17 teams) are in the tournament, Tiers four and five are trying to get in with those in four slightly closer. Bills are back end Tier four, low end tier five Xavier is up to 47 in the NET with that win over Seton Hall. Cincinnati is at 46 after beating Houston. Arizona State and Washington are both in the 50s; I think the loser of that game still has a better shot than ETSU (54). SLU is holding at 68. Gotta beat Duquesne (88). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pistol said: Xavier is up to 47 in the NET with that win over Seton Hall. Cincinnati is at 46 after beating Houston. Arizona State and Washington are both in the 50s; I think the loser of that game still has a better shot than ETSU (54). SLU is holding at 68. Gotta beat Duquesne (88). Yes they do Pistol home court must be protected to have any chance. Away games have been tough no matter who SLU plays so they have to make a stand at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 Some good results today as Arkansas, Michigan, Alabama, and VTech all lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 Oklahoma, DePaul, Miss St also lose, Xavier wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: Oklahoma, DePaul, Miss St also lose, Xavier wins Depaul has to be "almost out." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: Depaul has to be "almost out." They are out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I’m gonna bring this thread back. AZ State lost to Washington, Stanford lost to Oregon State, and Wichita State lost to Memphis tonight. All 3 of those are bubble teams who most bracketologists have / had IN the field. Utah St won however to keep their NCAA hopes alive. A Richmond win over Duq tomorrow could very will put them on the right side of the bubble in favor of one of those teams above going into the A10 tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU1818 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Perhaps we are finally getting some recognition: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28577356/ncaa-tournament-bubble-watch-updated-look-wildest-bubble-years Saint Louis. Last seen recording consecutive road wins by double-digit margins at Rhode Island and George Mason, the Billikens have zero Tulsa-type NET issues. Clocking in with a 50-something ranking for the metric in question, Travis Ford's team is actually above such Bubble Watch mainstays as NC State, South Carolina and Memphis (to say nothing of Furman, Stephen F. Austin and the aforementioned Bruins). No, SLU's absence from mock brackets may stem instead from an insufficiency in big wins (at Richmond and URI) relative to losses (eight of them, including two in Quad 3). It's a close case, however, and, obviously, if that overtime period at home against Dayton had ended in victory, we're having a different conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 9 hours ago, RUBillsFan said: I’m gonna bring this thread back. AZ State lost to Washington, Stanford lost to Oregon State, and Wichita State lost to Memphis tonight. All 3 of those are bubble teams who most bracketologists have / had IN the field. Utah St won however to keep their NCAA hopes alive. A Richmond win over Duq tomorrow could very will put them on the right side of the bubble in favor of one of those teams above going into the A10 tournament. The better Richmond is the better our resume looks. Richmond at this point is our best win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RUBillsFan Posted March 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) This weekend's bubbles games rooting guide. I'm going to focus on the 21 teams on the bubble per Lunardi's last Bracket Math twitter post from yesterday (3/4) plus UCLA: IN (# is Lunardi's seed order) 36 - Oklahoma - at TCU on Saturday. I'm not sure a loss there knocks them out, but root for TCU anyways 37 - USC - hosts UCLA on Saturday. I actually think we're rooting for a USC blowout win here. Both teams are on the bubble, but we have a better chance of passing UCLA. 38 - AZ State (should drop after losing to Washington last night, but probably not below SLU yet) - hosts Washington State on Saturday. Need a Washington State win. 39 - Rutgers - at Purdue on Saturday. Since Purdue is on the bubble OUT, we probably want a Rutgers blowout win here. I'm not sure the result moves the either team much. 40 - Stanford (should drop after losing at Oregon State last night, but again probably not below SLU yet) - at #13 Oregon on Saturday. Need an Oregon blowout, but won't move much. 41 - Texas - hosts Oklahoma State on Saturday. Need on OK Stat upset win. 42 - Indiana - hosts #24 Wisconsin on Saturday. Need a Wisconsin blowout win, but won't move much. 43 - Xavier - hosts Butler on Saturday. Need a Butler blowout win. 46 - Cincinnati - hosts Temple on Saturday. Need a Temple upset win. 48 - UCLA (I'm adding them - I don't think Lunardi officially has them on the bubble because he has them with the Pac 12 auto bid) - see USC above. We prob want USC to win. OUT 69 - Wichita State (should drop after losing to Memphis last night, but prob not below SLU) - hosts Tulsa on Sunday. Prob need a Tulsa win, but Tulsa may be just behind SLU on the bubble. I'd still root Tulsa. 70 - Utah State (unfortunately NM couldn't close them out last night & kill their at-large hopes) - play Wyoming in the MWC tourney tonight. We're rooting WY Cowboys all the way here. A loss would def knock them out. 71 - Richmond - at DUQ tonight. While a Richmond loss might help us jump them in bubble order, we're fairly obviously rooting for them so SLU can secure the A10 1st round bye and Richmond can hopefully be another A10 team in the tournament. 72 - NC State - hosts Wake Forest tonight . Root for a Wake upset to knock NC State out of the picture 73 - Purdue - hosts Rutgers on Saturday. See Rutgers above. A Rutgers semi-upset, blowout win would be good for us. 74 - Memphis (might move up after beating Wichita St last night) - at #21 Houston on Sunday. Root for a Houston blowout win. 75 - S Carolina - at Vanderbilt on Saturday. Root for a Vandy upset win. 76 - Arkansas - at Texas A&M on Saturday. Root for an A&M upset win. 77 - Mississippi State - host Ole Miss on Saturday. Root for an Ole Miss upset win. 78 - Rhode Island - at UMass on Saturday. Root for UMass so SLU has a shot at the #3 seed in the A10 tournament. At this point, I'm fairly certain that our own at-large hopes (& Richmond's) hinge on Rhody not making the field. I just don't see a path for a 3 bid A-10. 79 - Tennessee - hosts Aurburn on Saturday. Root very hard for an Aurburn blowout win (even better for SLU since we played Auburn earlier this season) 80 - SLU - Host Bona on Saturday. Need the Billies to win big. Also probably need to root for Northern Iowa to win the MVC tournament, ETSU to win the Southern Con tournament , and Yale to win the Ivy tournament (or maybe get knocked out early & fall off the bubble entirely). Those are potential at-large teams (Yale is highly questionable, but could potentially be ahead of us) that could steal bids if they lose their conference tournaments. Also need to root for all of SLU's past opponents to win as many remaining games as possible (except we'd probably rather Northern Iowa beat Valpo and/or SIU in the MVC tournament if UNI would be in line for an at-large otherwise). We actually have some hopes for teams like Belmont (OVC), Eastern Washington (Big Sky), Bethune-Cookman (MEAC) to win their conference tournaments in addition to teams like Seton Hall & Auburn who are IN regardless, but also contenders in the Big East & SEC tournaments, respectively. Edited March 6, 2020 by RUBillsFan Pistol, rgbilliken, GBL_Bills and 7 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 RUBillsFan, Great job. Thanks for all the work. almaman likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said: 38 - AZ State (should drop after losing to Washington last night, but probably not below SLU yet) - hosts Washington State on Saturday. Need a Washington State win. 40 - Stanford (should drop after losing at Oregon State last night, but again probably not below SLU yet) - at #13 Oregon on Saturday. Need an Oregon blowout, but won't move much. Nice work on this post. ASU is one spot ahead of SLU in NET. Stanford fell a whopping 2 spots to 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, bauman said: RUBillsFan, Great job. Thanks for all the work. It was a little depressing honestly. It will be tough to pass most of the Power 5/6 conference teams because their losses would be against good opponents or the games are against other bubble teams. The trio of SEC teams just ahead of us (S. Carolina, Arkansas, and Ole Miss) are easiest to pass if they lose because they play mediocre opponents. Stanford losing to Oregon or Indiana losing to Wisconsin, however, won't likely move them much if at all. We obviously need to beat Bona, but even a blowout there won't move the needle much for us, so upward movement will mostly have to come from a combo of us winning & other teams losing. Obviously we'll still have more games with conference tournaments and potential movement after this weekend, but IMO we need some help with results this weekend to be in play for an at-large going into the conference tournaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 5 hours ago, RUBillsFan said: Also probably need to root for Northern Iowa to win the MVC tournament. Also need to root for all of SLU's past opponents to win as many remaining games as possible (except we'd probably rather Northern Iowa beat Valpo and/or SIU in the MVC tournament if UNI would be in line for an at-large otherwise). We actually have some hopes for teams like Belmont (OVC), Eastern Washington (Big Sky), Bethune-Cookman (MEAC) to win their conference tournaments in addition to teams like Seton Hall & Auburn who are IN regardless, but also contenders in the Big East & SEC tournaments, respectively. SIU was up 3 on Bradley at half time in the MVC Quarterfinal. They would get Drake in the Semi's fresh off Drake's big win over UNI. SIU won both of their games against Drake earlier this year in fairly convincing fashion. 17 point win at home on 1/19 and a 7 point win at Drake on 2/1. Valpo plays Loyola Chicago tonight and Valpo actually won both of their games against Loyola this season as well. The hope is that by the end of the conference tourneys SLU has wins over the MVC (SIU or Valpo), OVC (Belmont), Big Sky (EWU), and MEAC (Beth-Cook) champs and losses to the SEC (Auburn) and Big East (Seton Hall) champs. That would be good for the at-large resume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just add play in round to 16 games. 32 teams will play an extra game and if they win they are in the dance of 64. no 81rst ranked team is bitching. It's bubble people like us that have a gripe. More to watch, more $$ which may be of interest to the Lilly pure NCAA, less bitching, firings, and transferring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 minute ago, almaman said: Just add play in round to 16 games. 32 teams will play an extra game and if they win they are in the dance of 64. no 81rst ranked team is bitching. It's bubble people like us that have a gripe. More to watch, more $$ which may be of interest to the Lilly pure NCAA, less bitching, firings, and transferring. Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010andBeyond Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 UNI net down to 47. It’s gonna be a long week for them. Utah St down to 43 after their win against Wyoming. glazedandconfused likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Plus Richmond up to 37 should put them on the right side of the bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 The best scenario for the A10 would be a SLU Richmond tournament final. It would probably mean 3 teams in the NCAA. Regardless of who wins that game. Adman, MusicCityBilliken, Zink and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 2 hours ago, brianstl said: The best scenario for the A10 would be a SLU Richmond tournament final. It would probably mean 3 teams in the NCAA. Regardless of who wins that game. We would have to have a win over Dayton in that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, JettFlight5 said: We would have to have a win over Dayton in that scenario. so we shall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Wiscy beats Indiana 60-56. Auburn takes down Tennessee 85-63. Every little bit helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, JettFlight5 said: We would have to have a win over Dayton in that scenario. Or Richmond gets the win over Dayton and we beat them in the finals. I'm OK either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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