Littlebill Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 35 minutes ago, glazedandconfused said: That Gilyard # sticks out especially considered he's at 62% from 2 this year I don’t think it’s out of the question to see Collins at that number, if he’d cut out most of the ill-advised shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, The Wiz said: You are correct...my data includes all players (bigs) so my numbers should be higher. Here are some 3 pt grades...old and new... .........2006-19...............2019-20 small but important sample size A...........39.8%..................37.2% C...........35.6%...................32.7% F.............32.1%..................27.9% 4 minutes ago, slufanskip said: Looks like the longer distance is having a real impact. 2.6 % at the top and 4.2% at the bottom of the grades Interesting...by that breakout Jimerson's 43% was looking great...everyone else Jacobs - 35% - (B ish) Weaver - 39% (A) Goodwin - 29% (D ish) Perkins 23% (F) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Littlebill said: I don’t think it’s out of the question to see Collins at that number, if he’d cut out most of the ill-advised shots Yuri is shooting 33% from 2....realistically he's probably further than anyone on the team to getting to that number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, slufanskip said: Looks like the longer distance is having a real impact. 2.6 % at the top and 4.2% at the bottom of the grades NCAA = mission accomplished...at least for now....players will adapt as they did last time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, glazedandconfused said: Yuri is shooting 33% from 2....realistically he's probably further than anyone on the team to getting to that number. Almost as if I had a qualifier on my statement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Littlebill said: Almost as if I had a qualifier on my statement... Yea and it was still out of the question to think Yuri is going to shoot 60% from 2 ...even if he all of a sudden cuts out most of his ill-advised shots... The guy is 54% from the FT line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, glazedandconfused said: Interesting...by that breakout Jimerson's 43% was looking great...everyone else Jacobs - 35% - (B ish) Weaver - 39% (A) Goodwin - 29% (D ish) Perkins 23% (F) Jacobs...B Weaver...A+ Goodwin ...F+ Perkins...F- As I pointed out above The Bills currently are a C rated team More concerning on the 3 pt front...we were shooting around 35% with JImerson ...now around 23 % with out him...a drop off of nearly a third...huge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Jacobs...B Weaver...A+ Goodwin ...F+ Perkins...F- As I pointed out above The Bills currently are a C rated team More concerning on the 3 pt front...we were shooting around 35% with JImerson ...now around 23 % with out him...a drop off of nearly a third...huge right around the 30% is an F? Not great, but not horrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, glazedandconfused said: Yea and it was still out of the question to think Yuri is going to shoot 60% from 2 ...even if he all of a sudden cuts out most of his ill-advised shots... The guy is 54% from the FT line Just a feel based on style of play. Only time will tell - agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, The Wiz said: More concerning on the 3 pt front...we were shooting around 35% with JImerson ...now around 23 % with out him...a drop off of nearly a third...huge I think a huge part of that is Perkins going 2/14 since GJ out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewsorlose Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, slufanskip said: Can't disagree with this. Which is why my wish for Perkins is just to be a little more selective. Perkins' problem to me is that he's a bad decision-maker. He seems like a very good 1-on-1 player, and is probably the best player on the team off the dribble or from the triple-threat position. The problem is that he puts his head down and shoots almost every time he drives. It's a JUCO habit that doesn't work against A-10 level bigs. I would wager a guess, though, that the % of offensive rebounds off Perkins' misses is higher than most players, largely because his drives require help, which frees a rebounder. He needs to learn a jump stop, or a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 51 minutes ago, The Wiz said: NCAA = mission accomplished...at least for now....players will adapt as they did last time.... -wish our guys would also adapt to not stepping out of bounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cowboy said: -wish our guys would also adapt to not stepping out of bounds Agree, but that problem seems to be impacting all teams at a similar rate (based on my limited watching of other games). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, slufanskip said: apparently not. I stand corrected. slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Cowboy said: -wish our guys would also adapt to not stepping out of bounds a pet peeve of mine. i just dont understand how it happens. GD the court doesnt move or change. how can you not know where you are standing or dribbling to? and it isnt just the billikens. it is all the time everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: a pet peeve of mine. i just dont understand how it happens. GD the court doesnt move or change. how can you not know where you are standing or dribbling to? and it isnt just the billikens. it is all the time everywhere. The court has changed a little. The new three point line has lessened the corner space. I believe a lot [not all] of the violations occur in the corner. Pistol likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Some Billiken specific three point shooting data: YTD: 32.6% 3FG 2018-19 season: 30.4%, so ah, an improvement 30 year Billiken average: 34.6%., so ah, no improvement So yes it has made a difference, or no it hasn't made a difference. Pick you data point needed for your position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Some Billiken specific three point shooting data: YTD: 32.6% 3FG 2018-19 season: 30.4%, so ah, an improvement 30 year Billiken average: 34.6%., so ah, no improvement So yes it has made a difference, or no it hasn't made a difference. Pick you data point needed for your position. 30 year Billiken average is not a strong data point (3 point line moved back twice in last 15 years so of course prior years will generally be higher than current***). See Wiz's breakdown above...3pt shooting is down this year throughout NCAA..ours 3pt% is up...that's a substantive improvement. ****generally...obviously there are outliers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, glazedandconfused said: 30 year Billiken average is not a strong data point (3 point line moved back twice in last 15 years so of course prior years will generally be higher than current***). See Wiz's breakdown above...3pt shooting is down this year throughout NCAA..ours 3pt% is up...that's a substantive improvement. ****generally...obviously there are outliers Our number will continue to decline this season as we go without Jimerson, and it wouldn't surprise me if we end up pretty close to last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, willie said: The court has changed a little. The new three point line has lessened the corner space. I believe a lot [not all] of the violations occur in the corner. the location of the three point line should have no bearing on staying bounds. the actual out of bounds dimensions have been the dame since you played willie. and i believe they did a jump ball after every score back in your day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, glazedandconfused said: 30 year Billiken average is not a strong data point (3 point line moved back twice in last 15 years so of course prior years will generally be higher than current***). See Wiz's breakdown above...3pt shooting is down this year throughout NCAA..ours 3pt% is up...that's a substantive improvement. ****generally...obviously there are outliers As I said, pick the data points you want to support your position. I kind of think over 16,000 Billiken three point shots over 30 years is a significant sample size. The three point line was adopted by the NCAA in 1986, moved in 2007 and again this year. The worst Billiken three point season was Spoon's 96-97 team, at 29.2%, which was on the shortest line. Second worst was Sodie's 04-05 team at 29.5%. Again the short line. Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 21 hours ago, slufanskip said: 41% from inside the arc only is not good. Maybe he should quit taking mid range jumpers on the move while being guarded. Javon Bess shot 45% from inside the arc last season according to sports-reference.com. So, 41% isn't that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: the location of the three point line should have no bearing on staying bounds. the actual out of bounds dimensions have been the dame since you played willie. and i believe they did a jump ball after every score back in your day. It does though. It pushes players further out and makes it easier to step out of bounds due to the players not being used to it/wanting to stay behind the arc. Specifically in the corners. Come on you have to understand that. It's not super complicated. drkelsey55, Billiken Rich, SShoe and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: Javon Bess shot 45% from inside the arc last season according to sports-reference.com. So, 41% isn't that bad. It is bad. Javon was a good offensive player but not great. His value was defense more than offense imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, slufanskip said: It is bad. Javon was a good offensive player but not great. His value was defense more than offense imo I would agree that 41% from inside the arc is pretty bad. I have actually been pretty pleased with Perkins but his shot selection leaves a lot to be desired. slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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