SShoe Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, glazedandconfused said: Your main point about strength of schedule? You said: "Just take a scenario where one team plays and beats the 150th and 151st ranked teams while the other beats the #1 and #300 teams. Both teams are 2-0 and, on average, have the same strength of schedule" That's just not correct. SOS calculations also take into account other factors...margin of victory for example I edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Glazed, I don't think the quadrant records actually factor into the NET rating. If they did why make them separate? I think the quadrant stuff is based on the base NET rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Lot of anger on this board in the last 24 hours over the NET system and the fact the committee still has the final say over who makes the tournament. The NET is certainly better than the RPI but it's not perfect, nor is any computer model. Can you imagine the outrage if Pomeroy's program was the key metric and we were ranked 88 instead of 51? At the end of the day, the committee is still a necessary evil to bring some common sense to the computer model. People are going to argue about the selection of the last two at-large teams every year, but in SLU's long history we've never been on the wrong side of an NCAA selection. SLU_Lax likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, kshoe said: Lot of anger on this board in the last 24 hours over the NET system and the fact the committee still has the final say over who makes the tournament. The NET is certainly better than the RPI but it's not perfect, nor is any computer model. Can you imagine the outrage if Pomeroy's program was the key metric and we were ranked 88 instead of 51? At the end of the day, the committee is still a necessary evil to bring some common sense to the computer model. People are going to argue about the selection of the last two at-large teams every year, but in SLU's long history we've never been on the wrong side of an NCAA selection. Sure, but they could just adjust the model to more heavily weigh higher quality wins. Also Kenpom doesn’t make sense because it’s a predictive model, not one that assess how good a season you have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 As of this morning CBS’s Bracketologist Jerry Palm has Dayton (3 seed) and VCU (11 seed) in, with SLU as the first team out and Richmond as the second team out. Good to be in the mix/conversation among the pundits. Zink, mrjoelabs and wgstl like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Compton said: As of this morning CBS’s Bracketologist Jerry Palm has Dayton (3 seed) and VCU (11 seed) in, with SLU as the first team out and Richmond as the second team out. Good to be in the mix/conversation among the pundits. hell yeaaaaaah. keep winning baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Wisconsin is bailing Saint marys out big time. Wisconsin was trash early in the season when Saint marys won, not looking like a legit B10 team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 SLU fell two spots in the NET after last night's loss. Still 3rd in the A10: Dayton - 5 (up 1) VCU - 50 SLU - 53 (down 2) Duquesne - 55 URI - 62 Richmond - 63 Then everyone else starting at 116. So Dayton, then a cluster of 5 jockeying to rise above the fray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 FWIW, Lunardi currently has VCU as “first four out” and SLU, Richmond and Rhode Island as “also considered”. We’re still just on the other side of the bubble. The fact that we played Dayton so close and it was such a good game on national television is all good for our at large chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, glazedandconfused said: FWIW, Lunardi currently has VCU as “first four out” and SLU, Richmond and Rhode Island as “also considered”. We’re still just on the other side of the bubble. The fact that we played Dayton so close and it was such a good game on national television is all good for our at large chances. All well and good, except that we all know when push comes to shove, they'll take Arizona St, Cincy, Tennessee and Alabama over us. That win last night would have bought us two bad losses. Now we can't have any, and that still might not be enough. Unless we can beat Dayton at their place. Lot of games left in the conference season but we need to win almost all of them and then a game or two in the conference tourney to make it. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm any A-10 team, I'm sending the Bills to the line 30-40 times a game, and wearing down their short bench with the physical play to boot. Anything else would be bad coaching. Bizziken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 What makes the FT issue so frustrating is that we're just giving away valuable points, and for a team that can't score 3s those lost points become so much more valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 We need to win the next 5 before the return trip to Dayton. No getting around it now. If we had won last night, we could have afforded a hiccup. Davidson, LaSalle, and St. Joe's on the road are all extremely winnable games. And Duquesne and Fordham at Chaifetz are too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, glazedandconfused said: FWIW, Lunardi currently has VCU as “first four out” and SLU, Richmond and Rhode Island as “also considered”. We’re still just on the other side of the bubble. The fact that we played Dayton so close and it was such a good game on national television is all good for our at large chances. Just to add to that, Lunardi also has Duquesne in as a 12 seed. For whatever reason he's up on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Compton said: Just to add to that, Lunardi also has Duquesne in as a 12 seed. For whatever reason he's up on them. Duquesne is in as the “tourney winner” since they have the best record in the conference. Seeing as they are below the last at-large teams on lunardi’s bracket, he doesn’t have them as an at-large team currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 By CBS's prognostications the Bills have now moved up to being the last team in - with VCU also one of the First Four. Again, good to be in the conversation. CBS doesn't appear to adhere to the "best record" approach glazed mentions above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 LFG jimbofive likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Dayton is #7 in the AP Poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Nice! Let’s pick up a Q2 (for now) road win this week at Davidson and hold serve at home vs Fordham. The way we’ve played our last 2 games is probably the best we’ve looked all year. And yea, that’s a Lunardi approach to guess who will get the automatic bids for winning tourney. FWIW, Duquesne won’t be in Lunardi’s this week now that Dayton has the same conference record as the Dukes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 K State has quietly crept up to almost a Q1 win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: K State has quietly crept up to almost a Q1 win Yea, if they can win one of their two games this week. @Kansas and @Alabama (both Q1 opportunities) they would be a Q1 win for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clocktoweraccords2004 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 This years bills team is a solid A- team. Even the greatest teams lose. That’s basketball. We finally have a top tier team even without Gibson and thatch. Next year is ours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Clocktoweraccords2004 said: This years bills team is a solid A- team. Even the greatest teams lose. That’s basketball. We finally have a top tier team even without Gibson and thatch. Next year is ours Next year we are what Dayton is this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 -for me, screw all this talk about next year, we have this year slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, Cowboy said: -for me, screw all this talk about next year, we have this year I get it, but its still hard to not talk about what we have next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 This is probably the only time since I've paid attention to Bracketology that a team has lost a game while being listed as "out" and got "in" afterward. What a wild year of basketball. NextYearBill likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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