Coach Ford on the Radio

[wgstl]

2 minutes ago, davidnark said:

Goodwin will get a real shot at the NBA, probably after next season. Like Bess, he will have not problem getting workouts and displaying his skills to prospective teams. He will have a nice and profitable pro career. Whether that is ultimately in the NBA will be TBD. His limiting factors will likely be his size and shooting. He is a great athlete, but no more so than most NBA guards. 

which part of that is what I was getting at.  Hes not much different statistically and size wise from a lottery pick. Im sure the hype of Smart being a 5* MAA helped tremendously. But offensively their shooting is extremely similar, and what Goodwin lacks in FT and Ast(compared too) he makes up in rebounding.  

[slufan13]

The other difference in their stats is Big12 play vs the A10 but I really do think that Goodwin will play in a NBA game

[wgstl]

2 minutes ago, slufan13 said:

The other difference in their stats is Big12 play vs the A10 but I really do think that Goodwin will play in a NBA game

Agreed.  Theres obviously going to be things like that which play into it.  But as far as body of work, you would have thought a Lottery pick would have far better stats. 

[RiseAndGrind]

7 minutes ago, slufan13 said:

The other difference in their stats is Big12 play vs the A10 but I really do think that Goodwin will play in a NBA game

I don't think so. 

[wgstl]

6 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said:

I don't think so. 

booooooo

[glazedandconfused]

Still bummed we missed a chance at a Smart/Jordair showdown in the 2013 NCAA tourney because they also got upset by Oregon. That would've been insanely fun to watch.

[ACE]

15 minutes ago, davidnark said:

Goodwin will get a real shot at the NBA, probably after next season. Like Bess, he will have not problem getting workouts and displaying his skills to prospective teams. He will have a nice and profitable pro career. Whether that is ultimately in the NBA will be TBD. His limiting factors will likely be his size and shooting. He is a great athlete, but no more so than most NBA guards. 

Goodwin is outstanding college athlete and a bulldog, one of my favorites, but really not a great athlete by NBA standards. He doesn't really have explosive quickness or leaping ability, which makes what he accomplishes all the more impressive. Now, his strength is one area that is definitely NBA caliber. The kid is a beast.

[3star_recruit]

29 minutes ago, wgstl said:

which part of that is what I was getting at.  Hes not much different statistically and size wise from a lottery pick. Im sure the hype of Smart being a 5* MAA helped tremendously. But offensively their shooting is extremely similar, and what Goodwin lacks in FT and Ast(compared too) he makes up in rebounding.  

The NBA is a business. You actually need a defined role to get into the league. Goodwin is small forward in a guard's body. His NBA position is guard.

You need to have to point guard handles or be a good shooter to play in the NBA at 6'3. There's no way around it. He won't be allowed to play small forward at 6'3. Too many 6'7/6'8 guys at that position he would have to defend.

Goodwin will either need to develop handles/free throw shooting here or in Europe/G-League to get in the NBA. I have no doubt he will give it everything he's got.  Effort is in his DNA.

[wgstl]

7 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said:

The NBA is a business. You actually need a defined role to get into the league. Goodwin is small forward in a guard's body. His NBA position is guard.

You need to have to point guard handles or be a good shooter to play in the NBA at 6'3. There's no way around it. He won't be allowed to play small forward at 6'3. Too many 6'7/6'8 guys at that position he would have to defend.

Goodwin will either need to develop handles/free throw shooting here or in Europe/G-League to get in the NBA. I have no doubt he will give it everything he's got.  Effort is in his DNA.

How was smarts ball handles in college? I don’t remember it being a strong suit of his 

[glazedandconfused]

Smart was a good ball-handler who forced it sometimes if I remember correctly. He could get to the basket and score with ease (and hit FTs) which, combined with his NBA ready defense, is why he got drafted where he did. Also was the best player on a ranked team for 2 straight years as a Freshman and Sophomore. That'll get you a ton of eyeballs

 

Goodwin is a really good college basketball player and will be a good pro player overseas somewhere, but it's hard to see how his game translates to the NBA. His athleticism/basketball IQ are what separate him at this level, but wouldn't compared to NBA players.

[3star_recruit]

17 minutes ago, wgstl said:

How was smarts ball handles in college? I don’t remember it being a strong suit of his 

Smart's entire sophomore year was about proving he had the handles and decision making to play guard in the NBA. I'm not saying Goodwin has to be Curly Neal but he has to get better handling the ball than he is now.

[3star_recruit]

Smart's NBADraft.net profile. Note, that he is rated against other point guards/combo guards.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/marcus-smart/

[thetorch]

Smart never developed very good handles.  Without his defense and gaining weight while becoming really strong he wouldn't be in the league.  He's a unicorn.  A 6'4 guy who can guard centers better than just about anyone in the league.  He's never stuck in the NBA because of his shooting or ballhandling skills.  He's a poor decision maker on offense and makes most of his plays because he's not getting guarded.

[3star_recruit]

1 hour ago, thetorch said:

Smart never developed very good handles.  Without his defense and gaining weight while becoming really strong he wouldn't be in the league.  He's a unicorn.  A 6'4 guy who can guard centers better than just about anyone in the league.  He's never stuck in the NBA because of his shooting or ballhandling skills.  He's a poor decision maker on offense and makes most of his plays because he's not getting guarded.

You have to reach a certain threshold ballhandling and/or shooting to play guard in the NBA. That's what scouts were evaluating in his sophomore year. He did not get drafted 6th based on his ability to guard centers. That was not his role at Oklahoma State.

He was drafted as a guard who could overpower other guards and be a secondary ballhandler.  His offense has been disappointing, his ability to guard much taller players and his 2:1 assist to turnover ratio has been a pleasant surprise.

 

 

[thetorch]

1 hour ago, 3star_recruit said:

You have to reach a certain threshold ballhandling and/or shooting to play guard in the NBA. That's what scouts were evaluating in his sophomore year. He did not get drafted 6th based on his ability to guard centers. That was not his role at Oklahoma State.

He was drafted as a guard who could overpower other guards and be a secondary ballhandler.  His offense has been disappointing, his ability to guard much taller players and his 2:1 assist to turnover ratio has been a pleasant surprise.

 

 

The offensive skills that got him drafted 6th never translated.  If he didn't become an all league defender, say he was average defensively, he'd have about the same career Ben McClemore has had.  Again his assist rate and to some extent his shooting is do to his man always leaving him for a double team.  

[slufanskip]

55 minutes ago, thetorch said:

The offensive skills that got him drafted 6th never translated.  If he didn't become an all league defender, say he was average defensively, he'd have about the same career Ben McClemore has had.  Again his assist rate and to some extent his shooting is do to his man always leaving him for a double team.  

Not disputing you but you're statement about his shooting reminds me of posters who used to say Ian V only got rebounds because the ball just bounced right to him all the time

[glazedandconfused]

5 hours ago, thetorch said:

Smart never developed very good handles.  Without his defense and gaining weight while becoming really strong he wouldn't be in the league.  He's a unicorn.  A 6'4 guy who can guard centers better than just about anyone in the league.  He's never stuck in the NBA because of his shooting or ballhandling skills.  He's a poor decision maker on offense and makes most of his plays because he's not getting guarded.

He’s never stuck in the NBA? He’s played about 30 MPG for all 5 years on legit playoff teams. He has a career assist to TO ratio of greater than 2:1. Has turned into a serviceable 3 point shooter. He’s a legit NBA player, not at all someone who has “never stuck”

[thetorch]

13 hours ago, glazedandconfused said:

He’s never stuck in the NBA? He’s played about 30 MPG for all 5 years on legit playoff teams. He has a career assist to TO ratio of greater than 2:1. Has turned into a serviceable 3 point shooter. He’s a legit NBA player, not at all someone who has “never stuck”

At times during year 2 and 3 Celtics tried trading him with no takers, he was nearly released. Now he is certainly a solid NBA veteran.

[Quality Is Job 1]

7 hours ago, thetorch said:

At times during year 2 and 3 Celtics tried sslidolid NBA veterantrading him with no takers, he was nearly released. Now he is certainly a solid NBA veteran.

Get Taj-itis typing this post?

[thetorch]

2 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

Get Taj-itis typing this post?

Posting on a phone is difficult for this 40 year old.

[HoosierPal]

I guess it is no longer Tuesday's with Travis.  This week it was Monday with Travis.

https://www.scoopswithdannymac.com/billikens-basketball-update-with-travis-ford-december-23-2019/

Coach felt the KSU game was played like a conference tourney game.  Coach said they only prepped for KSU for 2 days.  Said coaches still remembered the 35 point beat down KSU gave us here.  None of today's players were in that game.  Coach felt this was a statement game as to where the program has come in 4 years.  Feels KSU is similar to several A10 teams

"We don't win the game without the bench.  French didn't practice since the Auburn game, except getting a sweat going for 30 min on Friday.  He went a week without practicing.  He got winded early and was out of rhythm.  Everything KSU did was focused on French and Goodwin.  They put two bodies blocking out Goodwin and three on French.  Tay Weaver is the difference maker.  TJ picked up right from where he left off at Maryville.  Perkins and Weaver 'carried us' in the second half.  This is the type of rotation he has been looking for.

Hargrove can do things others can't.   He gets off the floor quicker and higher than anyone else.  Eventually you will see his jump shot.  At some point he will be a lock down defender.  The reason he hadn't been playing was primarily due to understanding concepts on defense.  

Coach said it is maybe harder to go from JUCO to D1 than HS to D1, because not as much is expected from HS and JUCO's only have two years to succeed.  Usually you see a huge jump from the junior to senior year in D1.  Feels Perkins is ahead of where they thought he would be.  Probably best one on one player on the team.

Jimerson went down in practice day before Maryville. He was going for a lose ball, thought he had twisted his ankle.  They found a very small stress fracture in his foot.  He had 20 minute surgery.  They haven't filed the paperwork yet, but 'he will receive a redshirt'.   Jimerson was not just a shooter, but he drew so much attention it opened it up for other players.  Ford said the he is under the threshold.

Players come back on the 26th for a 4 pm practice.  This is the longest vacation he remembers giving any of his teams. 

[billikenfan05]

16 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

I guess it is no longer Tuesday's with Travis.  This week it was Monday with Travis.

https://www.scoopswithdannymac.com/billikens-basketball-update-with-travis-ford-december-23-2019/

Coach felt the KSU game was played like a conference tourney game.  Coach said they only prepped for KSU for 2 days.  Said coaches still remembered the 35 point beat down KSU gave us here.  None of today's players were in that game.  Coach felt this was a statement game as to where the program has come in 4 years.  Feels KSU is similar to several A10 teams

"We don't win the game without the bench.  French didn't practice since the Auburn game, except getting a sweat going for 30 min on Friday.  He went a week without practicing.  He got winded early and was out of rhythm.  Everything KSU did was focused on French and Goodwin.  They put two bodies blocking out Goodwin and three on French.  Tay Weaver is the difference maker.  TJ picked up right from where he left off at Maryville.  Perkins and Weaver 'carried us' in the second half.  This is the type of rotation he has been looking for.

Hargrove can do things others can't.   He gets off the floor quicker and higher than anyone else.  Eventually you will see his jump shot.  At some point he will be a lock down defender.  The reason he hadn't been playing was primarily due to understanding concepts on defense.  

Coach said it is maybe harder to go from JUCO to D1 than HS to D1, because not as much is expected from HS and JUCO's only have two years to succeed.  Usually you see a huge jump from the junior to senior year in D1.  Feels Perkins is ahead of where they thought he would be.  Probably best one on one player on the team.

Jimerson went down in practice day before Maryville. He was going for a lose ball, thought he had twisted his ankle.  They found a very small stress fracture in his foot.  He had 20 minute surgery.  They haven't filed the paperwork yet, but 'he will receive a redshirt'.   Jimerson was not just a shooter, but he drew so much attention it opened it up for other players.  Ford said the he is under the threshold.

Players come back on the 26th for a 4 pm practice.  This is the longest vacation he remembers giving any of his teams. 

Tuesday is Christmas Eve. Would you want to do an interview on Christmas eve?

[moytoy12]

21 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

I guess it is no longer Tuesday's with Travis.  This week it was Monday with Travis.

https://www.scoopswithdannymac.com/billikens-basketball-update-with-travis-ford-december-23-2019/

Coach felt the KSU game was played like a conference tourney game.  Coach said they only prepped for KSU for 2 days.  Said coaches still remembered the 35 point beat down KSU gave us here.  None of today's players were in that game.  Coach felt this was a statement game as to where the program has come in 4 years.  Feels KSU is similar to several A10 teams

"We don't win the game without the bench.  French didn't practice since the Auburn game, except getting a sweat going for 30 min on Friday.  He went a week without practicing.  He got winded early and was out of rhythm.  Everything KSU did was focused on French and Goodwin.  They put two bodies blocking out Goodwin and three on French.  Tay Weaver is the difference maker.  TJ picked up right from where he left off at Maryville.  Perkins and Weaver 'carried us' in the second half.  This is the type of rotation he has been looking for.

Hargrove can do things others can't.   He gets off the floor quicker and higher than anyone else.  Eventually you will see his jump shot.  At some point he will be a lock down defender.  The reason he hadn't been playing was primarily due to understanding concepts on defense.  

Coach said it is maybe harder to go from JUCO to D1 than HS to D1, because not as much is expected from HS and JUCO's only have two years to succeed.  Usually you see a huge jump from the junior to senior year in D1.  Feels Perkins is ahead of where they thought he would be.  Probably best one on one player on the team.

Jimerson went down in practice day before Maryville. He was going for a lose ball, thought he had twisted his ankle.  They found a very small stress fracture in his foot.  He had 20 minute surgery.  They haven't filed the paperwork yet, but 'he will receive a redshirt'.   Jimerson was not just a shooter, but he drew so much attention it opened it up for other players.  Ford said the he is under the threshold.

Players come back on the 26th for a 4 pm practice.  This is the longest vacation he remembers giving any of his teams. 

No mention of Thatch. I gotta believe if Ford said Thatch would be ready for conference play then DannyMac would have asked.  Don't think we're seeing Fred any time soon.

[almaman]

good summary. answered my GJ ?s.

[HoosierPal]

17 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:

Tuesday is Christmas Eve. Would you want to do an interview on Christmas eve?

I'm working tomorrow.  So I don't see a problem.  Yes, I would do an interview on December 24, up until about 3 pm.