TheA_Bomb Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I've been to Qatar a few times they weren't air conditioning the place I was at, unfortunately. It's so hot. The city has some super modern buildings but what an otherwise lame spot for the WC. There will have to be so many pop up entertainment exhibits for visitors. The airport is amazing though so there's that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: I've been to Qatar a few times they weren't air conditioning the place I was at, unfortunately. It's so hot. The city has some super modern buildings but what an otherwise lame spot for the WC. Their will have to be so many pop up entertainment exhibits for visitors. The airport is amazing though so there's that They had the World Track and Field Championship there last month. They had to run the Marathon at 2 AM due to the heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 There are some really neat graphics in this presentation. It is not ground breaking, just comes off pretty well. Be sure to keep scrolling. https://apps.stlpublicradio.org/stadium-district/ Zink likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtside Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Charlotte will formally announce its new MLS team Tuesday. Entry fee $325 million paid by owner David Tepper. Let's see about the stadium financing. Previously Tepper (worth more than $12 billion and owner of the Carolina Panthers NFL team) wanted a public private partnership. He hopes to emulate the success in Atlanta, Seattle of NFL/MLS partnership. Initially they are expected to play in Carolina Panthers current stadium with significant renovations. Long term plans are new stadium, retractable roof, similar location. This is the 30th MLS franchise. MusicCityBilliken, Zink and slufanskip like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtside Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 9:03 AM, courtside said: Charlotte will formally announce its new MLS team Tuesday. Entry fee $325 million paid by owner David Tepper. Let's see about the stadium financing. Previously Tepper (worth more than $12 billion and owner of the Carolina Panthers NFL team) wanted a public private partnership. He hopes to emulate the success in Atlanta, Seattle of NFL/MLS partnership. Initially they are expected to play in Carolina Panthers current stadium with significant renovations. Long term plans are new stadium, retractable roof, similar location. This is the 30th MLS franchise. $110 million tourism tax incentive for Carolina football stadium renovations and Eastland team headquarters. Team will begin play in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 The State is 'balking' at helping the stadium tax credit structure. https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/soccer-stadium-slowdown-state-balks-on-aid-to-help-kick/article_35363290-aed8-5fda-8934-7b1e0d6500f0.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Terrible and unexpected news. $431 million project to bring professional soccer, a financial boost and jobs and sports revenue to the City right by Union Station and some are worried about $15 million for infrastructure? Who are these people? What’s really going on? And we were going to spend $400 million of public dollars on a new NFL/Rams stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 i imagine the Taylors received that news like me when i pulled up to Valvoline and they were like "your car takes full synthetic... this $19.99 coupon wont work" QUAILMAN likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 10 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: Terrible and unexpected news. $431 million project to bring professional soccer, a financial boost and jobs and sports revenue to the City right by Union Station and some are worried about $15 million for infrastructure? Who are these people? What’s really going on? And we were going to spend $400 million of public dollars on a new NFL/Rams stadium? Somebody didn't contribute enough to the right people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Yeah. But who is behind this? Who is on the board or committee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 And I am shocked to even hear any resistance. Wasnt this approved prior? The reporting I heard and read did not say this was was still an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 This is simply a way the State can punish democratic strongholds for not voting for them. This is a similar approach that you hear people at the Federal level saying states should be penalized for a variety of reasons and it just so happens that the only states being singled out are ones that vote democratic. THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A POLITICAL STATEMENT JUST AN OBSERVATION! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, cheeseman said: This is simply a way the State can punish democratic strongholds for not voting for them. This is a similar approach that you hear people at the Federal level saying states should be penalized for a variety of reasons and it just so happens that the only states being singled out are ones that vote democratic. THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A POLITICAL STATEMENT JUST AN OBSERVATION! Sounds like a political observation, Why should the entire state subsidize a sports facility that will only benefit st louis? if they are 15million short on a 430 mil project they should be able to come up with difference without the taxpayers kicking in. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, dennis_w said: Sounds like a political observation, Why should the entire state subsidize a sports facility that will only benefit st louis? if they are 15million short on a 430 mil project they should be able to come up with difference without the taxpayers kicking in. IMHO Think it’s more about the embarrassment the state has caused by not living up to their word Littlebill and dlarry like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, dennis_w said: Sounds like a political observation, Why should the entire state subsidize a sports facility that will only benefit st louis? if they are 15million short on a 430 mil project they should be able to come up with difference without the taxpayers kicking in. IMHO There has been great misinformation communicated. The state owns and manages highway 64, including the complicated Chestnut/20th exit that was planned for demolition as part of the NGA project. The NGA project mandated that the 20th interchange be replaced with a new Jefferson interchange. This will result in nearly a mile of demolished concrete and ungraded land that is being turned over to the city. The state and city had an arrangement that the city would finance the cleanup, regrading, and site prep with a tax credit structure from the state. This would have been necessary regardless of the end use. It turns out that the end use will be the STL MLS site, but now the state is reneging on the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, dennis_w said: Sounds like a political observation, Why should the entire state subsidize a sports facility that will only benefit st louis? if they are 15million short on a 430 mil project they should be able to come up with difference without the taxpayers kicking in. IMHO Of course it was an observation about politics. This money was to go for infrastructure improvement for the area where the stadium is going. A big portion of the land is land that MDOT had abandon and would have little if any interest to be developed. States often provided this kind of support because what it does is open up the area around the stadium for development which would not happen otherwise. In other word, the infrastructure that is put in with these funds get accessed by the other business that come because of the stadium. Busch stadium got this money our basketball arena got it, KC stadiums took advantage of similar funds. The stadium also does not only benefit StL. KC benefits because they gain from the addition of a close rival to play, the taxes generated by the project and the other business that follow go in to the state revenue accounts and thus benefit the entire state. Using your argument, there should be no development funds made available ever because those funds only benefit the specific location where the money is spent. MusicCityBilliken, Zink and dlarry like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, davidnark said: There has been great misinformation communicated. The state owns and manages highway 64, including the complicated Chestnut/20th exit that was planned for demolition as part of the NGA project. The NGA project mandated that the 20th interchange be replaced with a new Jefferson interchange. This will result in a nearly a mile of demolished concrete and ungraded land that is being turned over to the city. The state and deal had an arrangement that the city would finance the cleanup, regrading, and site prep with a tax credit structure from the state. This would have been necessary regardless of the end use. It turns out that the end use will be the STL MLS site, but now the state is reneging on the deal. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, davidnark said: There has been great misinformation communicated. The state owns and manages highway 64, including the complicated Chestnut/20th exit that was planned for demolition as part of the NGA project. The NGA project mandated that the 20th interchange be replaced with a new Jefferson interchange. This will result in a nearly a mile of demolished concrete and ungraded land that is being turned over to the city. The state and deal had an arrangement that the city would finance the cleanup, regrading, and site prep with a tax credit structure from the state. This would have been necessary regardless of the end use. It turns out that the end use will be the STL MLS site, but now the state is reneging on the deal. Good summary. I wish I could send this to all the People I have seen backing Pearson’s decision on social media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, dennis_w said: Sounds like a political observation, Why should the entire state subsidize a sports facility that will only benefit st louis? if they are 15million short on a 430 mil project they should be able to come up with difference without the taxpayers kicking in. IMHO Because the St. Louis region is Missouri's "economic giant"? Because investing in St. Louis benefits the entire state? Because the state publicly and privately gave Carolyn their word? Do you know how much the Taylor's have invested in St. Louis and the state of Missouri over the years? Wonder what would happen if they decided to move Enterprise to a different state. I bet Jeff City would be begging them to stay with all sorts of tax incentives. Of course the Taylor's can afford the $30M but that isn't the point. This is land that needed to be cleared and build-ready anyways. Having walked the Capitol halls each year for the past 8 years, it blows my mind how much these people resent STL and KC. And it's not a democrat versus republican thing. It's an urban/suburban versus rural, us versus them thing. SShoe, Box and Won, rgbilliken and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 https://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-sticking-to-sports-missouri-governor-parson-is-the-worst/article_934e7656-8504-5ad9-9697-bc6b18684e3a.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: Having walked the Capitol halls each year for the past 8 years, it blows my mind how much these people resent STL and KC. It's the same reason Missourians resent our low-flow shower heads and 1.5 liter per flush toilets mandated due to a lack of water in California....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: It's the same reason Missourians resent our low-flow shower heads and 1.5 liter per flush toilets mandated due to a lack of water in California....... Being stupid is not a reason just an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 hours ago, cheeseman said: This is simply a way the State can punish democratic strongholds for not voting for them. This is a similar approach that you hear people at the Federal level saying states should be penalized for a variety of reasons and it just so happens that the only states being singled out are ones that vote democratic. THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A POLITICAL STATEMENT JUST AN OBSERVATION! Edit Decided not to post original statement Old guy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 19 hours ago, cheeseman said: Being stupid is not a reason just an excuse. C'mon Cheezy. There's a whole series of movies about the plucky rebellion chafing against their evil overlords. Just because you're part of the empire doesn't mean that the rebels have no beef. It's all about your point of view...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBL_Bills Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: C'mon Cheezy. There's a whole series of movies about the plucky rebellion chafing against their evil overlords. Just because you're part of the empire doesn't mean that the rebels have no beef. It's all about your point of view...... Ah yes. The noble Toilet Rebellion of 2021 fighting against the evil water conservation overlords. "Give me 2L flushes, or give me death!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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