2019-20 Season

[Old guy]

11 minutes ago, dlarry said:

Penny learned how to cheat from a 1994 movie he stared in.

There may be a lot of truth in this last statement.

[slufanskip]

1 hour ago, Clock_Tower said:

No. Never said Goodwin can do only 1 or 2 things - but I will say that he is not a perimeter player and I will say that he needs space to be effective and I will say that the best way for Goodwin and French to get the needed spacing is with perimeter shooting. 
So instead, I am saying we need balance and spacing to be successful - I  too believe that to be obvious - but suggest it is being ignored by others and their proposed lineups - so maybe it is not so obvious.  
And when our Big 3 of Thatch, Goodwin and French played last year, they brought similar skills, we had perimeter shooting and spacing issues, we lost games, our offense didn’t click, we blamed our beat players (Goodwin) and  we even complained about Coach Ford not being an adequate game coach. This year, am told Thatch has a perimeter shot - and I hope so bc we will need it.
Go back and reread Aquinas’ suggested lineup (not mine) and then tell me about Thatch’s production stats if our opponent falls back in a zone while focusing on Jimerson and if Thatch’s 3 don’t fall - as you suggest, not me. 

So then it's Thatch that you believe can do only 1 or 2 things?  Please answer as I'm curious to the answer. We were talking about Goodwin and Thatch on the floor together and you say it's not Goodwin you were talking about so it must be Thatch

Spacing? We can get spacing on offense by spreading out.   I would try to summarize what you mean but you made it clear we shouldn't do that. 

A balanced offense certainly helps, I'm not sure anyone said it didn't. 

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I'm saying Thatch is the starter and it isn't nor should it change anytime soon. That's what I originally said and cited his production in the first game. Maybe you're trying to say  … if his outside shot doesn't start falling he won't be able to remain as productive and then a change will need to be made.  Is that you're point? 

And it was you that made the statement that if Jimmmerson's defense rivals Thatch's. Seriously? No knock on Jimmmerson but do you really think that's a possibility ever, much less anytime this year? 

[billiken_roy]

18 hours ago, Sheltiedave said:

 Broy, I hope you now can see that Collins, when  

he is on the court, is our best point guard of the present and the future.

 

Nope.   Our best point guard present is goodwin.   And when we play the real teams with size you will see the difference.

I do admit that Collins has performed better than i expected and i do now believe at a point down the road he can be a good starting point guard.   

However he still is making freshman mistakes like driving too deep into the lane with no way out resulting in a blocked shot or a turnover that Goodwin can power through.  

He will likely be handicapped defensively when we play the team with a bigger, stronger just as fast point guard.

Again, i think yuri will eventually be our point guard in a year or two, but right now id rather have the ball in Goodwin's hands.

 

[slufanskip]

1 hour ago, DoctorB said:

??? I'm honestly confused about this debate over Thatch.  He's without any doubt one of our starters, pure and simple; and one of our best all-around players; and clearly our defensive stopper, with excellent stamina that will only improve.  He will be in there in close games and if we fall behind, because defensively he sets the tone.  Comparing minutes with Jimmerson in that blow-out game is not telling us very much (and no disrespect to GJ, I was blown away by him and Yuri in our first real game: WOW!).  But when we need a stop, Thatch will be in there.  At the end of the day, his outside shooting will come around.  But we begin with a Big 3, not a Big 2 plus a bunch of role-players.  I think some of you are underestimating how good he is already, and will become; and actually, how important he is RIGHT NOW to our scheme.  One person said it all: starters set the tone for a game.  Barring injury Thatch will start & get a lot of minutes, every game.

It seems many of us are confused

[slu72]

4 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

Nope.   Our best point guard present is goodwin.   And when we play the real teams with size you will see the difference.

I do admit that Collins has performed better than i expected and i do now believe at a point down the road he can be a good starting point guard.   

However he still is making freshman mistakes like driving too deep into the lane with no way out resulting in a blocked shot or a turnover that Goodwin can power through.  

He will likely be handicapped defensively when we play the team with a bigger, stronger just as fast point guard.

Again, i think yuri will eventually be our point guard in a year or two, but right now id rather have the ball in Goodwin's hands.

 

You're still in the baggage car on the Yurimania Express.

[slu72]

Halftime at Davidson game it was announced Wiseman had been ruled ineligible, but he played anyway. Doesn't that put Memphis in a really bad situation, i.e. Like forfeiting the whole season for playing an ineligible player? 

[slufanskip]

2 minutes ago, slu72 said:

Halftime at Davidson game it was announced Wiseman had been ruled ineligible, but he played anyway. Doesn't that put Memphis in a really bad situation, i.e. Like forfeiting the whole season for playing an ineligible player? 

There was an injunction I believe allowing him to play

[slu72]

4 minutes ago, slufanskip said:

There was an injunction I believe allowing him to play

Yeah, I went to ESPN and saw that. However, what if the court rules against Messphis? 

[JettFlight5]

8 minutes ago, slufanskip said:

There was an injunction I believe allowing him to play

Shelby County gave him a TRO. That said, the NCAA can punish them if that order is overturned. Jay Bills talked about it yesterday. Rule 13.3 has to do with restitution if a rule is found to be evaded by court order. 
 

So 72 is right...they could be forced to forfeit. 

[3star_recruit]

17 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

Nope.   Our best point guard present is goodwin.   And when we play the real teams with size you will see the difference.

I do admit that Collins has performed better than i expected and i do now believe at a point down the road he can be a good starting point guard.   

However he still is making freshman mistakes like driving too deep into the lane with no way out resulting in a blocked shot or a turnover that Goodwin can power through.  

He will likely be handicapped defensively when we play the team with a bigger, stronger just as fast point guard.

Again, i think yuri will eventually be our point guard in a year or two, but right now id rather have the ball in Goodwin's hands.

 

Yuri's strength is seeing a play 2 to 3 steps ahead of everyone else.  That's not going to change just because he's being defended by a 6'3 point guard.  He knows when he's about to drop a dime -- his defender doesn't.  He will have to develop a floater to be an effective finisher in the lane but that's true regardless of who's defending him. 

And as long as Yuri's assist to turnover remains above 2:1, you absolutely live with the freshman turnovers. He creates opportunities that no one else can.

[slufanskip]

28 minutes ago, JettFlight5 said:

Shelby County gave him a TRO. That said, the NCAA can punish them if that order is overturned. Jay Bills talked about it yesterday. Rule 13.3 has to do with restitution if a rule is found to be evaded by court order. 
 

So 72 is right...they could be forced to forfeit. 

thanks for the info

[almaman]

52 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

Nope.   Our best point guard present is goodwin.   And when we play the real teams with size you will see the difference.

I do admit that Collins has performed better than i expected and i do now believe at a point down the road he can be a good starting point guard.   

However he still is making freshman mistakes like driving too deep into the lane with no way out resulting in a blocked shot or a turnover that Goodwin can power through.  

He will likely be handicapped defensively when we play the team with a bigger, stronger just as fast point guard.

Again, i think yuri will eventually be our point guard in a year or two, but right now id rather have the ball in Goodwin's hands.

 

We've had many upper classmen make these freshman mistakes in the last decade.

[slu72]

13 minutes ago, almaman said:

We've had many upper classmen make these freshman mistakes in the last decade.

I actually didn't see Yurimania doing a lot of this. I think maybe twice, and Has got a jam on one of his misses that I, in my unbiased opinion, think was a set play between Has and Yuri, i.e. I'll lay it up high enough off the glass so you can slam it home. 

[slufanskip]

41 minutes ago, slu72 said:

I actually didn't see Yurimania doing a lot of this. I think maybe twice, and Has got a jam on one of his misses that I, in my unbiased opinion, think was a set play between Has and Yuri, i.e. I'll lay it up high enough off the glass so you can slam it home. 

I originally thought that was a possibility on the follow by Has also, however, I went back and watched it again. It comes off the rim. No way that was an intended pass

[slu72]

17 minutes ago, slufanskip said:

I originally thought that was a possibility on the follow by Has also, however, I went back and watched it again. It comes off the rim. No way that was an intended pass

I know. I just wanted to add a little spice to the Yurimania legend. 

[Quality Is Job 1]

1 hour ago, slufanskip said:

I originally thought that was a possibility on the follow by Has also, however, I went back and watched it again. It comes off the rim. No way that was an intended pass

Not that I disagree with you that it was a rebound putback, I think it's possible Yuri could have been a bit off on a pass attempt:  I noticed on replays that on the alley-oop pass to French, it wouldn't have been outrageous if the officials had wiped it off for goaltending, because it looks like the ball was in the cylinder (above the rim) when Hasahn caught it.  That means Collins didn't quite hit the right spot with that lob.

[wgstl]

Wow Powell of seton hall will get X-rays on his ankle, out for game against MSU 

[slufan13]

 

[Clock_Tower]

7 hours ago, slufanskip said:

So then it's Thatch that you believe can do only 1 or 2 things?  Please answer as I'm curious to the answer. We were talking about Goodwin and Thatch on the floor together and you say it's not Goodwin you were talking about so it must be Thatch

Spacing? We can get spacing on offense by spreading out.   I would try to summarize what you mean but you made it clear we shouldn't do that. 

A balanced offense certainly helps, I'm not sure anyone said it didn't. 

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I'm saying Thatch is the starter and it isn't nor should it change anytime soon. That's what I originally said and cited his production in the first game. Maybe you're trying to say  … if his outside shot doesn't start falling he won't be able to remain as productive and then a change will need to be made.  Is that you're point? 

And it was you that made the statement that if Jimmmerson's defense rivals Thatch's. Seriously? No knock on Jimmmerson but do you really think that's a possibility ever, much less anytime this year? 

Yes. Thatch still has more to prove to me. I say we have the Big 2 - not Big 3.  Hope he does develop. Hope his shot falls.  He’s only a Sophomore so he is ahead of schedule.  Actually a big fan of Fred Thatch. 
Also agree that Fred Thatch is our best defender by far. In addition he is a slasher/relentless rebounder who finds a way to score. These traits alone make him a starter and guarantees him 20 minutes plus per game.

At the same time he does not have the size and ability to play forward like Bess did and he cannot guard forwards like Bess did - so his defensive skills are limited to guards. Fred is a guard - and not a PG or even a combo guard - so until he shoots from the perimeter (which Goodwin cannot do either), he will only do 2 things in my book: defend and slash to basket/rebound.  

And as mentioned last week, this board would be extremely boring if everyone agreed with me and or everyone else. And no, summarize my posts all you would like.  You are not a snowflake with his panties in a wad crying about entire professions.  And here’s another statement which I find obvious, but others not,  there are both smart and good people and also dumb and evil people in every profession - even those professions which some might think are lowest of the low and others might think the highest of the high - and all those in between.   Tough concept for the close-minded snowflakes.

 

[Wendelprof]

I got no dog in this fight, but is this 2 or 3 things?

"he will only do 2 things in my book: defend and slash to basket/rebound."

I think you might want to clarify how you see that as only 2 things when it sure looks like 3 to a neutral reader.  Just a friendly suggestion.

Heading out soon for tonight's game.  It will be the only one I'll catch this year.  I hope it is a W!

Go Bills! 

[willie]

18 minutes ago, Wendelprof said:

I got no dog in this fight, but is this 2 or 3 things?

"he will only do 2 things in my book: defend and slash to basket/rebound."

I think you might want to clarify how you see that as only 2 things when it sure looks like 3 to a neutral reader.  Just a friendly suggestion.

Heading out soon for tonight's game.  It will be the only one I'll catch this year.  I hope it is a W!

Go Bills! 

Welcome to town. Don’t be shy about posting on this board. 

[Clock_Tower]

38 minutes ago, Wendelprof said:

I got no dog in this fight, but is this 2 or 3 things?

"he will only do 2 things in my book: defend and slash to basket/rebound."

I think you might want to clarify how you see that as only 2 things when it sure looks like 3 to a neutral reader.  Just a friendly suggestion.

Heading out soon for tonight's game.  It will be the only one I'll catch this year.  I hope it is a W!

Go Bills! 

Fair point.  Everyone plays defense and rebounds.  Thatch though is more of a defensive specialist so that’s 1.  And he is more of a scorer who slashes to the basket and keeps at it until he scores so that’s 2.  Instead of leading the team in rebounds, he is good at getting his own rebounds and being relentless so I didn’t count that as 3 - but see how it could. 

[almaman]

East Washington is also 2-0. average score 90.5-45.5.

[bills10]

13 hours ago, Clock_Tower said:

Yes. Thatch still has more to prove to me. I say we have the Big 2 - not Big 3.  Hope he does develop. Hope his shot falls.  He’s only a Sophomore so he is ahead of schedule.  Actually a big fan of Fred Thatch. 
Also agree that Fred Thatch is our best defender by far. In addition he is a slasher/relentless rebounder who finds a way to score. These traits alone make him a starter and guarantees him 20 minutes plus per game.

At the same time he does not have the size and ability to play forward like Bess did and he cannot guard forwards like Bess did - so his defensive skills are limited to guards. Fred is a guard - and not a PG or even a combo guard - so until he shoots from the perimeter (which Goodwin cannot do either), he will only do 2 things in my book: defend and slash to basket/rebound.  

And as mentioned last week, this board would be extremely boring if everyone agreed with me and or everyone else. And no, summarize my posts all you would like.  You are not a snowflake with his panties in a wad crying about entire professions.  And here’s another statement which I find obvious, but others not,  there are both smart and good people and also dumb and evil people in every profession - even those professions which some might think are lowest of the low and others might think the highest of the high - and all those in between.   Tough concept for the close-minded snowflakes.

 

I would probably take your own advice about generalizing a profession and apply that to generalizing a generation. 

[Old guy]

14 hours ago, Wendelprof said:

I got no dog in this fight, but is this 2 or 3 things?

"he will only do 2 things in my book: defend and slash to basket/rebound."

I think you might want to clarify how you see that as only 2 things when it sure looks like 3 to a neutral reader.  Just a friendly suggestion.

Heading out soon for tonight's game.  It will be the only one I'll catch this year.  I hope it is a W!

Go Bills! 

I believe you got a good game last night, hope you liked it.

I also want to  mention to you that you need a thick hide to post here, sooner or later for reasons unknown to you someone will get antagonistic to you. Happens to everybody, just place the guy in ignore and move on, do not waste time with him/them. Oh, forgot to tell, the use of language is a bit loose at times, you start typing a thought and then you think of something else while you type so two things become three things very easily. Enjoy, this is going to be a very good season, my opinion, not everybody else's.