slu72 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Ok, as I've understood it the NCAA or whoever came up with the NET system it was to favor the biggies come selecting at large teams. And roughly speaking if you had a net somewhere in the 50s you might be in the running for a dance invite depending upon how conf tourneys played out. Looking at the NET RANKINGS thru last night games here are a list of mids that have some pretty impressive NETS: Zaga 1 Nevada 12 Wofford 14 Buf 16 VCU 31 St Mary's 37 Furman 41 Lipscomb 42 Belmont 45 N. Mex St 47 Now Murray St knocked off Belmont last night. Their NET went to 44 but Belmont's is 45. Does Belmont not get in even though it would seem to have the NET resume? I do understand there's a lot of P5-6 tourney games left to be played and some teams could improve their chances by winning a couple of games. Take Butler for example their net is 60, they win a couple at MSG maybe they move to 48 or so. But here's the problem take Wofford v Furman in the SOCON, say Furman wins the tourney, does Wofford, Net of 14, not get in? Is one loss going to drop them that far off the grid? There'd be some explaining to do by the Comittee if Wofford doesn't make the cut. So, deservedly so, the SOCON should get in two teams. Same applies to VCU, say we or someone else knocks them off. Is that loss gonna get VCU's ticket pulled? Seems to me the NET might be biting the NCAA right in the keister with just a few more upsets in these mid major tournaments. It may work to do just the opposite of what they intended, especially if the P5-6 tourneys play out with all the favorites winning their slotted games. Not likely, but it could happen. Matty Light likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjoelabs2 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Belmont should get an at large bid, but will not. I am hoping Furman can win the Socon and someone knock buffalo out of the MAC tourney, because Buffalo and Wofford are locks for at large bids, so 2 more mid majors could squeeze in that way. Also someone besides Nevada or Utah State winning Mountain West could make that a 3 bid league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, slu72 said: Ok, as I've understood it the NCAA or whoever came up with the NET system it was to favor the biggies come selecting at large teams. And roughly speaking if you had a net somewhere in the 50s you might be in the running for a dance invite depending upon how conf tourneys played out. Looking at the NET RANKINGS thru last night games here are a list of mids that have some pretty impressive NETS: Zaga 1 Nevada 12 Wofford 14 Buf 16 VCU 31 St Mary's 37 Furman 41 Lipscomb 42 Belmont 45 N. Mex St 47 Now Murray St knocked off Belmont last night. Their NET went to 44 but Belmont's is 45. Does Belmont not get in even though it would seem to have the NET resume? I do understand there's a lot of P5-6 tourney games left to be played and some teams could improve their chances by winning a couple of games. Take Butler for example their net is 60, they win a couple at MSG maybe they move to 48 or so. But here's the problem take Wofford v Furman in the SOCON, say Furman wins the tourney, does Wofford, Net of 14, not get in? Is one loss going to drop them that far off the grid? There'd be some explaining to do by the Comittee if Wofford doesn't make the cut. So, deservedly so, the SOCON should get in two teams. Same applies to VCU, say we or someone else knocks them off. Is that loss gonna get VCU's ticket pulled? Seems to me the NET might be biting the NCAA right in the keister with just a few more upsets in these mid major tournaments. It may work to do just the opposite of what they intended, especially if the P5-6 tourneys play out with all the favorites winning their slotted games. Not likely, but it could happen. 45 is a bubble ranking. Just depends on conf tourney upsets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Will VCU get in if they get bumped? The SOCON is really interesting since WU has a net of 14. Same for the MAC if BUF goes down. I can't recall if the SOCON or the MAC's ever got 2 bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, slu72 said: Will VCU get in if they get bumped? The SOCON is really interesting since WU has a net of 14. Same for the MAC if BUF goes down. I can't recall if the SOCON or the MAC's ever got 2 bids. SoCon never has received two bids before. Doubt Wofford will lose in their tourney though as they totally dominated their league this year. Be interesting to see if anyone can be the NC State to their Phi Slamma Jamma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, billikenbill said: SoCon never has received two bids before. Doubt Wofford will lose in their tourney though as they totally dominated their league this year. Be interesting to see if anyone can be the NC State to their Phi Slamma Jamma. Furman started out like a house afire. They have it in 'em to pull off a W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 59 minutes ago, mrjoelabs2 said: Belmont should get an at large bid, but will not. I am hoping Furman can win the Socon and someone knock buffalo out of the MAC tourney, because Buffalo and Wofford are locks for at large bids, so 2 more mid majors could squeeze in that way. Also someone besides Nevada or Utah State winning Mountain West could make that a 3 bid league. Not unusual for the MWC to get 3 bids. Just like the A10, except for this season. We could get in 2 w/VCU as an at large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Wofford up on East Tennessee 42-35, 17 to go. Bradley wins the MVC. Why aren’t we in the MVC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The Mighty Wofford Terriers onto the SoCon championship, 81-72. Fletcher Magee is an amazing shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 The Spartans of UNC Greensboro take on Wofford for the SoCon Championship. Spartans have been coming from behind late game after game, and just did it again. They’ve lost to Wofford by 18 and 30 this year so falling behind won’t work this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballingmeanthegradesfallin Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, billikenbill said: The Spartans of UNC Greensboro take on Wofford for the SoCon Championship. Spartans have been coming from behind late game after game, and just did it again. They’ve lost to Wofford by 18 and 30 this year so falling behind won’t work this time. Anything is possible at this point regardless of previous results, depends how much the gap is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Correction, the G lost to Wofford by 29 and 30. Hard to understand how a team with 28 wins can lose to the same team by that much. Equally difficult to understand how little freakin’ Wofford can be that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjoelabs Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Furman played Wofford close twice, but they lost to "the G". So who knows... I wish Furman had won today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 -well, here's who I expect is going to apply the screw job to the little guy... Meet the Committee Bernard Muir Division I Men’s Basketball Committee chair and director of athletics at Stanford University Muir began service on the committee Sept. 1, 2014, and is serving as chair of the committee for 2018-19. Other Committee Members Include: Mitch Barnhart, director of athletics, University of Kentucky Tom Burnett, commissioner, Southland Conference Janet Cone, director of athletics, University of North Carolina Asheville Bernadette McGlade, commissioner, Atlantic 10 Conference Michael O’Brien, vice president and director of athletics, University of Toledo Jim Phillips, vice president for athletics and recreation, Northwestern University Chris Reynolds, vice president for intercollegiate athletics, Bradley University Craig Thompson, commissioner, Mountain West Conference Kevin White, director of athletics, Duke University -with the committee make up I expect the big schools will soon, if they haven't already, demand more representation -one more point.... Did You Know? Conference representatives cannot be in the room when teams from their conference are being discussed for inclusion, nor are they allowed to vote for them. Same goes for a school representative, who cannot participate in or vote for their own school. Committee members are assigned to conferences to monitor play throughout the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I'm reading now that Strength of Schedule will be used to oust selected mid-majors who have good NET's and good Q1 & 2 wins If NET isn't all that important, and SOS is, why did the NCAA come up with the new metric? Sorry St. Mary's your NET of 37 is really good, your 3-9 Q 1 & 2 record would be okay for an ACC school, but your SOS is 109. Too bad you play in a crappy conference. Sorry Furman, your NET of 41 is pretty good, your 4-6 Q 1 & 2 record would be okay for a P5 school, but your SOS of 175 is bad. Too bad you play in a crappy conference. Sorry Belmont, your NET of 45 is worthy of a bid, your 5-3 Q 1&2 record is really good, but your SOS stinks at 198. Too bad you play in a crappy conference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Are you really surprised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 What's the point of assessing quadrant results if it can be dismissed by strength of schedule? If a school did well against its best opponents, why does the rest of the schedule have any bearing on that? Just admit that you're chasing the money and stop trying to justify your shenanigans. Zink likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 The Pac 12 will be interesting, sure will be crazy if Washington wins the conference tournamnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 UNCG getting totally shafted by the refs. Down 3 with 3 to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Wofford ends the at-large talk coming on late to win. 16-0 run broke it open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 9 hours ago, HoosierPal said: I'm reading now that Strength of Schedule will be used to oust selected mid-majors who have good NET's and good Q1 & 2 wins If NET isn't all that important, and SOS is, why did the NCAA come up with the new metric? Sorry St. Mary's your NET of 37 is really good, your 3-9 Q 1 & 2 record would be okay for an ACC school, but your SOS is 109. Too bad you play in a crappy conference. Sorry Furman, your NET of 41 is pretty good, your 4-6 Q 1 & 2 record would be okay for a P5 school, but your SOS of 175 is bad. Too bad you play in a crappy conference. Sorry Belmont, your NET of 45 is worthy of a bid, your 5-3 Q 1&2 record is really good, but your SOS stinks at 198. Too bad you play in a crappy conference The WCC is hardly a lousy conference given that it includes the likes of #1 Gonzaga. But your point is well taken. St. Mary's Gaels supporters are used to being snubbed. It has happened multiple times in the past, will probably happen again on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 hours ago, HoosierPal said: I'm reading now that Strength of Schedule will be used to oust selected mid-majors who have good NET's and good Q1 & 2 wins If NET isn't all that important, and SOS is, why did the NCAA come up with the new metric? Sorry St. Mary's your NET of 37 is really good, your 3-9 Q 1 & 2 record would be okay for an ACC school, but your SOS is 109. Too bad you play in a crappy conference. Sorry Furman, your NET of 41 is pretty good, your 4-6 Q 1 & 2 record would be okay for a P5 school, but your SOS of 175 is bad. Too bad you play in a crappy conference. Sorry Belmont, your NET of 45 is worthy of a bid, your 5-3 Q 1&2 record is really good, but your SOS stinks at 198. Too bad you play in a crappy conference Can’t wait until a sub .500 Penn St. and its NET of 38 (after 2 big 10 tourney wins) get into the tourney. Also, blue font on the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: What's the point of assessing quadrant results if it can be dismissed by strength of schedule? If a school did well against its best opponents, why does the rest of the schedule have any bearing on that? Just admit that you're chasing the money and stop trying to justify your shenanigans. From my point of view, it works this way (just like it does with government regulations): When you have regulations that point in opposite directions or divergent directions, the regs cannot be used to judge whatever it may be in an impartial (regs based) manner. If this is the case, whoever is making the decision can decide whichever way he/she wants to decide. Mutually opposite regulations and divergent regulations give the illusion or appearance of a process that is impartial (ie based on regs), when it reality it becomes subjective and dependent on whoever is making the decision. The NCAA will decide exactly who they want to have in the tournament, the NET and SOS will most likely be used primarily as window dressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 This is hard to do. This guy has a future in TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: This is hard to do. This guy has a future in TV. Cody Ellis just tipped his Foster’s in appreciation. HoosierPal likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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