wgstl Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 We still don’t know what happened to santos, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 Beside looking at Travis on this I think a serious look needs to be taken at the assistant coaches not named Corey Tate. This was either a scouting or implementation break down. TheChosenOne likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: I agree with @brianstl, I don' think we get a lot of open looks. The majority of Bess' 3 pointers are from 2 feet behind NBA range and even those are contested. All of our shots from around the arc seem to be rushed. I guess when you don't really run an offense and have a hard time moving the ball around, you aren't going to get many open shots, even when the defense packs it in. In my opinion our offense suffers because our spacing sucks and our guys don't move without the ball. Some of it is by design, but I am so sick of watching our guys stand around being spectators. We are so f-ing lazy with the ball. Drives me absolutely nuts. When passes aren't on target, it forces our guys to have to reposition and adjust and allows the defense to recover. It happens on every single possession. I have been a huge proponent of recruiting guys who can handle the rock. That skill encompasses dribbling, passing, and superb on-ball decision-making. You can't teach it...either you have it or you don't. And we don't. And how about we set a proper screen once in a goddamn while! A lot of this is coaching. A lot of it is personnel. Slu let the dogs out? likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, wgstl said: We still don’t know what happened to santos, right? He got hit by a car, he’s dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, brianstl said: Majerus didn’t come in trying for a quick fix with a bunch of transfers. Does it matter how he gets it done? He started with a worse roster than Majerus. Why was Majerus successful when he didn't get us to the tourney until year 5, however Ford is not because we might not get there in year 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Ford got dealt a tough hand by our joke of an administration in S2 but THIS team/roster has still underachieved. TheChosenOne likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 52 minutes ago, brianstl said: Gordon and Santos were Ford recruits. It is his job to keep them on campus No it isn't. Neither of them leaving is on Ford if the things we think happened actually did happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 43 minutes ago, VeniceMenace said: We’re you saying the same thing about Majerus at this stage of his SLU tenure? He got SLU into the big dance year 5....and Ford inherited possibly the worst array of talent in the modern era of SLU basketball. Fair point. But Majerus was Majerus and Ford is Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Beside looking at Travis on this I think a serious look needs to be taken at the assistant coaches not named Corey Tate. This was either a scouting or implementation break down. Disagree, but only that everyone’s not at some fault. I believe Tate clearly had the relationship with Gordon, I agree the risk was worth the reward with him and the others no longer on the team. But regardless not enough shooters were brought in and crazy situations occurred. e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Numerous fouls were not called on Richmond, especially down the stretch. Goodwin was clearly hacked at the hoop, no call, but at least SLU ultimately scored on that possession. Bess pleaded for an and one during a timeout that was not called. It appeared tonight's refs decided to not reward the more athletic team. Still tonight's Loss to a lousy team on the home court is simply unacceptable. SLU probably wins that game had it been played more in the open court, as opposed to a half court game. Perhaps, with this SLU team, it is time to deep six the slow down, half court game, in favor of a more up tempo, up and down (West Coast style) game. The problem is depth. But Hankton showed some promise tonight, and Thatch would be a factor in a more up tempo game. But it won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: Fair point. But Majerus was Majerus and Ford is Ford. And your point is what? Because Majerus came in with a better reputation it was ok for it to take him longer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bay Area Billiken said: Numerous fouls were not called on Richmond, especially down the stretch. Goodwin was clearly hacked at the hoop, no call, but at least SLU ultimately scored on that possession. Bess pleaded for an and one during a timeout that was not called. It appeared tonight's refs decided to not reward the more athletic team. Still tonight's Loss to a lousy team on the home court is simply unacceptable. SLU probably wins that game had it been played more in the open court, as opposed to a half court game. Perhaps, with this SLU team, it is time to deep six the slow down, half court game, in favor of a more up tempo, up and down (West Coast style) game. The problem is depth. But Hankton showed some promise tonight, and Thatch would be a factor in a more up tempo game. But it won't happen. We push the ball worse than French shoots free throws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, slufanskip said: And your point is what? Because Majerus came in with a better reputation it was ok for it to take him longer? Majerus got derailed and delayed by S1. Ford has been derailed by S2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sweet Lou said: Disagree, but only that everyone’s not at some fault. I believe Tate clearly had the relationship with Gordon, I agree the risk was worth the reward with him and the others no longer on the team. But regardless not enough shooters were brought in and crazy situations occurred. e Ahhh but shooters were brought in. They just aren't here any longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, slufanskip said: We push the ball worse than French shoots free throws SLU had the more athletic team tonight, and failed to take advantage of it until desperation time at the end, when the SLU press was very effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Bay Area Billiken said: Majerus got derailed and delayed by S1. Ford has been derailed by S2. So my point is still the same. Why was it acceptable for Majerus to take 5 years to get us to the dance and it's not ok if Ford doesn't get us there in 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 At the game talking with my dad and wondering how many times a SLU player has scored 30 and we lost. I remembered 1 Hughes game but no others really came to mind. So I looked it up. This was the 73rd game in which a SLU player scored 30 or more points in a game. Surprisingly we have lost 16 of those game. I think a 57-16 record in 30 point individual scoring games has to be pretty poor. SLU is 3-2 in games Hughes scored 30, 2-2 when Wiley scored 30, and 0-2 for Both Love & Jimmy Irving. Another example of how it is hard being a Bills fan. 30 point games in which SLU lost 3/5/98 74-76 vs UAB Hughes 37 3/4/81 77-84 Florida St - Metro Tourney - Burns 34 12/29/75 Purdue 77-80 - Santa Clara Tourney - McKinney 34 2/18/99 89-92 @ Memphis Love 33 3/7/79 79-94 vs Cincy Wiley 33 12/29/55 80-101 vs Kentucky McLaughlin 33 1/20/98 81-87 @Louisville Hughes 32 12/1/99 68-69 @ K State Love 31 3/4/90 83-87 @ Evansville Bonner 31 1/27/71 76-90 @ Louisville Irving 31 12/12/70 67-68 vs Notre Dame Irving 31 2/28/70 74-82 @ Bradley Wiley 31 1/30/19 81-84 vs Richmond Bess 31 3/12/93 65-73 @ Memphis - GMC Tourney - Claggett 30 12/21/78 79-80 vs South Carolina - Roanoke Tourney - Jim Glass 30 1/31/87 76-78 @ Evansville Roland Gray 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Why are we running an offense that requires shooters if we dont have shooters. TheChosenOne likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, slufan13 said: Why are we running an offense that requires shooters if we dont have shooters. Agreed! Add, SLU also doesn't have a true point guard to run this offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, slufanskip said: He said the blame lied on both. Are you saying the blame lies solely on Ford? Ford has zero, nil, none, nada blame for a college player not being able to shoot free throws. Imo Ford has no blame for Sit 2 or for Santos. As far as Gordon goes, Ford recruited a top 50 player. Every one of us knew of the issues and loved the signing. Now that it hasn't worked out and he left it wasn't good. I'd say if the things I heard were going on were actually going on Fords biggest mistake was not benching him much earlier and telling him to toe the line or suspending him. Ford is the coach and he is responsible but the players are responsible for their horrific shooting. Take away Bess and they shoot 55% from the line, and 28% from 3. The players should be able to finish a break or play a game without having 14 turnovers a game. Someone had the turnover per possession stat in another thread. I don't remember it but it has to be close to 1 in 5 possessions. And yes Ford recruited these players but he expected to have an entirely different team and the reason he doesn't is not on him They are the players Ford chose. He recruited and signed them. I was the guy that posted the turnover stat. A big reason we have a turnover problem is Ford didn’t get a player that can run the offense he wants to run. That is on Ford. None of the guys that left the program were that guy either. I don’t think Ford should be on the hot seat, but this is a disappointment so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, slufan13 said: Why are we running an offense that requires shooters if we dont have shooters. Because opponents know we can't shoot and take our inside game away. French gets doubled every time he touches the ball. I actually would like to see us push the tempo more as Bay Area said. However, in the end I believe we'd still be just as frustrated because we can't finish at the rim or make good decisions on a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, brianstl said: They are the players Ford chose. He recruited and signed them. I was the guy that posted the turnover stat. A big reason we have a turnover problem is Ford didn’t get a player that can run the offense he wants to run. That is on Ford. None of the guys that left the program were that guy either. I don’t think Ford should be on the hot seat, but this is a disappointment so far. No one said Ford should be absolved from blame. You responded to a Moy post saying Ford and the players were both to blame. Imo Ford's biggest mistake was believing Goodwin could be a pg. which is why we are lacking at the position. That's on Ford. However, Ford doesn't shoot the ball or make stupid passes and many of our turnovers are unforced. That's on the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, slufanskip said: No it isn't. Neither of them leaving is on Ford if the things we think happened actually did happen. I think it is the head coach's job to manage — and massage, if necessary — the egos and personalities of the members of his team for the benefit of the best team possible. That didn't happen with Santos and Gordon, and it may be lacking with Isabell, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, brianstl said: They are the players Ford chose. He recruited and signed them. I was the guy that posted the turnover stat. A big reason we have a turnover problem is Ford didn’t get a player that can run the offense he wants to run. That is on Ford. None of the guys that left the program were that guy either. I don’t think Ford should be on the hot seat, but this is a disappointment so far. Part of the reason it's a disappointment is I believe we overestimated the players. In the end if you'd have told me we'd be right here right now when Ford was hired, I'd have taken it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, slufanskip said: Part of the reason it's a disappointment is I believe we overestimated the players. You’re absolutely right. I know i did for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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