Box and Won Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 hours ago, thetorch said: We could have started Knollmeyer at the 4 and still won the A10. [Auto-reply triggered by keyword ‘Knollmeyer’] dlarry likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 That, along with the Brett Jolly three pointers and the crazy Majerus/Bonaventure speech are my favorite short videos ever..... Box and Won likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, Box and Won said: I recall talk of Williams being a lock had we offered. Wasn't the story that his family drove him to STL to meet with Spoon to ask for a scholly? I was a bit young to know the Williams background, but if both him and Ahearn were guys that would have come if we had offered, I think Williams was the bigger miss. That said, we talk about stacking or bridging classes with Ford, and the progression from Williams to Ahearn to Lisch would have given us 10 years of really solid guard play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Knollmeyer doesn't even go over the damn trashcan. He goes around it. Watch his legs. He never would have cleared it if he was actually going over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: Knollmeyer doesn't even go over the damn trashcan. He goes around it. Watch his legs. He never would have cleared it if he was actually going over it. That’s the joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Box and Won said: [Auto-reply triggered by keyword ‘Knollmeyer’] I think that guy attended the Billikens alumni thing at halftime of a game this season. My first thought was “Really?” The second thought was “ where’s a trash can!” Box and Won likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, DeSmetBilliken said: I think that guy attended the Billikens alumni thing at halftime of a game this season. My first thought was “Really?” The second thought was “ where’s a trash can!” He was extremely valuable in College Hoops 2k8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, DeSmetBilliken said: I was a bit young to know the Williams background, but if both him and Ahearn were guys that would have come if we had offered, I think Williams was the bigger miss. That said, we talk about stacking or bridging classes with Ford, and the progression from Williams to Ahearn to Lisch would have given us 10 years of really solid guard play. Yep. Not much left here by Romar but Soderberg started strong by getting us not only Dreja and Ohanan last minute but also Reggie Byrant - who was a very good player. Then Liddell & Lisch -- but then not much further. We seemed to have an inside tract to the best local recruits.... But yes, Harrellson, Ahearn, Kent Williams... were the guys we were missing. Brad gets alot of blame for poor talent evaluation and waiting far too long - if at all. And not blaming it all on facilities and our drop to the A10 - though Brad sure would have benefitted from our new arena/facilities and better, or at least better known, conference rivals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Lorenzo Romar Head Coaching Highlights 22 years 2× Pac-12 regular season champion (2009, 2012) 3× Pac-10 Tournament champion (2005, 2010, 2011) C-USA Tournament champion (2000) 3× Pac-12 Coach of the Year (2005, 2009, 2012) 7 NCAA tournament appearances, 3 Sweet 16 appearances, 8-7 Record in NCAA Tournament Games Travis Ford Head Coaching Highlights 20 years (DI only) OVC Tournament champion (2005) A–10 regular season champion (2007) (NIT Bid) A–10 Tournament Champion (2019) 7 NCAA tournament appearances, 1 round of 32 appearance, 1-7 Record in NCAA Tournament Games TheChosenOne and MusicCityBilliken like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: Lorenzo Romar Head Coaching Highlights 22 years 2× Pac-12 regular season champion (2009, 2012) 3× Pac-10 Tournament champion (2005, 2010, 2011) C-USA Tournament champion (2000) 3× Pac-12 Coach of the Year (2005, 2009, 2012) 7 NCAA tournament appearances, 3 Sweet 16 appearances, 8-7 Record in NCAA Tournament Games Travis Ford Head Coaching Highlights 20 years (DI only) OVC Tournament champion (2005) A–10 regular season champion (2007) (NIT Bid) A–10 Tournament Champion (2019) 7 NCAA tournament appearances, 1 round of 32 appearance, 1-7 Record in NCAA Tournament Games Well after a final four this year, I think Ford's resume looks a lot better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Billiken '04 Posted May 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) Yes, Heinrich lived in West Pine locker room for 3 months. That was a fun to do. Thank you for having me and I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. Happy to clean up any details I might have missed on. Also, I can confirm or debunk a lot of the Billken conspiracy theories Go Bills! - Chris Sloan Edited May 8, 2020 by Billiken '04 SLUMedBilliken15, The House That Rick Built, crymdg2 and 13 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 hours ago, slufanskip said: I never heard that, but don't doubt you and Pistol. Absolutely agree that would have been a bigger miss. I saw the shootout game. The shootout used to be one of my favorite days of the year. I was at every one from 1990 on. The list of NBA and/or college greats that played in it is unreal. Just some amazing performances. Anyone else remember Teddy Dupay? Dude hit from everywhere. The Dupay game was nuts. He'd cross half court and everyone in the arena was yelling "SHOOT IT! SHOOT IT!" Williams was coming to SLU if we had offered. We didn't, he signed with SIUC, and then Romar took over for Spoon. Scouting (and again in pregame) for the SIUC game his third and final year at SLU: "I will never understand why Charlie didn't offer this kid. But the fact is he didn't and now we have to deal with him." His freshman year/Romar's first year, he was ice cold and scored 5 in a loss at SLU. Then he had 23 as a sophomore, and another 22 as a junior - SIUC won both. Romar left and Williams got cold again as a senior, finishing with just 7 in a loss to SLU. slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 59 minutes ago, Pistol said: The Dupay game was nuts. He'd cross half court and everyone in the arena was yelling "SHOOT IT! SHOOT IT!" Williams was coming to SLU if we had offered. We didn't, he signed with SIUC, and then Romar took over for Spoon. Scouting (and again in pregame) for the SIUC game his third and final year at SLU: "I will never understand why Charlie didn't offer this kid. But the fact is he didn't and now we have to deal with him." His freshman year/Romar's first year, he was ice cold and scored 5 in a loss at SLU. Then he had 23 as a sophomore, and another 22 as a junior - SIUC won both. Romar left and Williams got cold again as a senior, finishing with just 7 in a loss to SLU. Kent Williams was basically Kevin Lisch. I know dumping on Soderberg's recruiting is a time-honored MBM tradition, but to me this isn't even an argument. Williams was a better player and therefore a bigger miss than Ahearn. Romar failed to build a local pipeline while he was here, leaving that unenviable task to Soderberg. You needed a elite salesman to consistently bring top local recruits to West Pine by the time we entered the 21st century. Romar and Ford are the only SLU coaches that even had a chance of making that work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken '04 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: Kent Williams was basically Kevin Lisch. I know dumping on Soderberg's recruiting is a time-honored MBM tradition, but to me this isn't even an argument. Williams was a better player and therefore a bigger miss than Ahearn. Romar failed to build a local pipeline while he was here, leaving that unenviable task to Soderberg. You needed a elite salesman to bring top local recruits to West Pine by the time we entered the 21st century. Romar and Ford are the only SLU coaches that even had a chance of making that work. Mo. Jeffers > K. Williams B. Ahearn > D. Clarke Bigger miss was Ahearn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 I agree, Chris, I'll take Mo Jeffers on my team all day. I also would have taken Williams over a backup big in Andrew Latimer all day. We all saw what Williams did as a sophomore. He could have made that 2000-2001 squad a tourney team. Marque Perry, Kent Williams and Mo Jeffers at the 1, 2 and 3? Yeesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The House That Rick Built Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 Paul Biancardi joins the podcast on Monday. We may be the worst podcasters ever because we couldn’t remember the name of the hotel Majerus lived at downtown, so I’ll apologize for that in advance. But it’s also a great interview, another one I think everyone will love. Zink, Pistol and BuiltFordBills like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 In more recent memory, Jordan Barnes is a player who wanted to come here and certainly would have helped our team these last couple of seasons. Pistol likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, The House That Rick Built said: Paul Biancardi joins the podcast on Monday. We may be the worst podcasters ever because we couldn’t remember the name of the hotel Majerus lived at downtown, so I’ll apologize for that in advance. But it’s also a great interview, another one I think everyone will love. The Chase on Kingshighway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The House That Rick Built Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, drkelsey55 said: The Chase on Kingshighway Was it the Chase Plaza hotel? Crewsorlose likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, The House That Rick Built said: Was it the Chase Plaza hotel? Yeah. The Chase Park Plaza. As I remember it, he lived in LaRussa’s former place. The House That Rick Built likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The House That Rick Built Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, DeSmetBilliken said: Yeah. The Chase Park Plaza. As I remember it, he lived in LaRussa’s former place. Okay so then we were pretty close with calling it the Plaza. Not as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Billiken '04 said: Mo. Jeffers > K. Williams B. Ahearn > D. Clarke Bigger miss was Ahearn Mo Jeffers and K Williams isn't a fair comparison as far as recruiting though as Mo was a Juco recruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Pistol said: If we want to talk about misses of guys that wanted to come to SLU but we passed on, and then they either thrived at smaller schools or moved on to bigger things, I think there are a few who fit that profile as similar or bigger misses than Ahearn. Kent Williams didn't get an offer from Spoon and Romar repeatedly expressed exasperation about it, especially as we were scouting SIUC (he dropped 22 on us in a 5-point SIUC win in that game). Williams played in the same conference as Ahearn right before Ahearn showed up, he played more minutes every year, averaged more each season and over his career, and took SIUC to two Tournaments, including a Sweet Sixteen. He was a better passer, rebounder, and defender than Ahearn. He didn't shoot FTs as well (no one did) but he got to the line more. Ahearn shot a little better from 3 and a slightly higher volume but Williams was way more effective inside the perimeter. Philip Gilbert was Miles' running mate at ESL and was an all-conference player at Bradley. Dude scored 19 PPG as a junior and scored more than any of the other guys listed here for his career. They didn't see the Tournament when he was there, which is a shame because they went on that Sweet Sixteen run shortly after he graduated. Spoon didn't recruit him; not sure why Romar didn't offer along with Miles. I don't remember the story there. Another miss was Darren Brooks out of Jennings. I don't get why we never offered him. He wound up putting up slightly higher scoring numbers than Ahearn in his MVC career. SIUC made the Tournament all four of his seasons there - Sweet Sixteen, first round, first round, second round. Much better passer and rebounder than Ahearn, much better defender. He would have been a perfect fit at SLU in those years. Josh Harrellson didn't put up big numbers at Kentucky until his senior year, but imagine four years of him in our frontcourt. Soderberg never offered, Harrellson signed with WIU, Soderberg got fired, Harrellson heard Thomas was going to be out at WIU and asked out of his LOI, they refused, he went to JUCO and had a huge year, and wound up at Kentucky. Majerus and SLU offered when he was a JUCO freshman but it was too late. He wanted to play somewhere more big-time. Based on our rosters in those years, I think he would've been way more impactful than Ahearn. You could make a strong case for any or all of these guys in that era as being bigger misses than Ahearn. I think I just did. Was Ahearn a miss? Absolutely. He would've been a good player here (although possibly not put up the same numbers he did at MSU). He was far from a sure thing at the time, though. He made a big jump from his sophomore to his junior year in college. Others have made this point before, but when you recruit local players, you don't want to miss. You don't want a guy at the end of the bench resenting his lack of minutes and not being a good ambassador of the program for HS/AAU players in the area. I guess Spoon, Romar, and Sodie saw all of these guys as being risky in that way. I don't get why we mythologize just the one in particular, though. Don’t forget about Falker and Jamaal Tatum. Basically that whole SIU sweet sixteen roster were Brad misses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The House That Rick Built Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 Just a friendly reminder that in a little over 5 hours our interview with Paul Biancardi drops. Make sure to check that out, Paul does Monday With Majerus on Twitter every Monday, has a lot of love for a Rick and a lot of great stories To tell about Rick (not as explicit as other interviews). If you haven’t in the mean time check out our other interviews, likely some more new stuff in the pipeline so as always stay tuned here, the way you guys have been listening to this podcast without any actual basketball is truly awesome and it’s very much appreciated. Hope you enjoy. Pistol likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 On 5/8/2020 at 5:16 PM, NH said: In more recent memory, Jordan Barnes is a player who wanted to come here and certainly would have helped our team these last couple of seasons. This was by far Crews's most egregious offense. Barnes was good enough on his own to start on those bad Crews teams. And he didn't want him even though it would have at least helped get Tatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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