The Wiz Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 The C Ark game didn't hurt us as we finished within the margin of error ...3-5 pts. The bad news is we missed an opportunity to bolster our numbers with a blowout...20+pts....We get rid of the 5 extra TOs and we win by 22. Looking ahead we face the most difficult part of our schedule including conference games. 3 of the next 6 games will be against A rated teams....Butler A...Houston A ..........Fla St A+. For me the next 2 games are crucial as I need these to complete my data set. I view the next 2 games as setting the tone for the rest of the season...2-0 and we are rolling...a split and we stay in the B- area where we are now...0-2...not so good. Butler will be our toughest challenge to date...They come in as A rated...we are listed currently at B-....close enough to win. A couple of notes...Dayton was Butler's only loss and they are a B team.. They won on a neutral site (Bahamas). We will be Butler's 1st away game at an opponent's venue. And with a sellout expected it won't be a friendly one. Let's look at the report card going in.... .........................................Off.............................................................................Def .......................SLU...................................But.................................SLU...............................But PPG...................D-....................................C+..........................................A-..............................B+ FG%...................D+....................................A-.........................................A-................................C+ 3P%....................D.....................................B...........................................B..................................D FT%....................F+.....................................B................................................................................ Reb.....................B+.....................................D-..........................................B+ .............................B+ Nationally ranked PPG....Baldwin...19.7...69th Assts...Baldwin.....5.5....44th Blks....French........1.83....76th Notables.....FTs...Bess...85.3% .............................Baldwin...84.4% Butler...good offense ....OK defense....SLU weak offense...great defense...a couple of notes....Butler doesn't defend the 3... If we can do what we did against C Ark from the arc..we could win.... WWN2D2W....Make shots....Last game we shot over 40% from 3....but couldn't make 2s...the previous games we made 2's and couldn't make 3s..we need to do both....48/36/70...FTs were better but still weak...in a close game this will be the difference...at least 70%...TOs...we give up 18 again and we lose...target of 12 and and even or better on the differential....no mistakes.. ......Baldwin....He is their main guy....hold him to 15pts ..If we bother him enough he will hand off to Jorgenson....hold him to 14pts....if we hold these guys to the projected pts ...we win. We need to out rebound them ....Low scoring game....score at least 66pts....total pts around 130...the lower the better Player status SLU...11/ 24....Wiley(leg) and Welmer (left ankle) ..Listed as questionable...unclear on their status for Sat... But...11/23...Hastings (knee)..Questionable....has missed 5 games....unclear for Sat 11/21...Golden (shoulder)...out indefinitely 11/18...Tucker out..eligibility 11/12...Nze...out ...transfer eligibility Bottom line....This is a winnable game if we make shots and avoid mistakes......One good trend is... we seem to play to the competition....with the hype of the game and a sellout crowd....we should rise to the occasion...In the end, the question will be, is our defense good enough to stop their offense...the answer is yes. make the slash line and we win...won't be easy but it can be done...Ask Dayton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I like that we have a week to get ready for the dogs! Note to Ford, find the tape where we blew them away back in 13-14. Show these guys how raucous the Fetz can get. If SVU can take 'em so can we! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 And remember this is one of the teams that stole our Beast spot. Payback's a *****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Welder was on crutches yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, brianstl said: Welder was on crutches yesterday. Welmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, wgstl said: Welmer? Welmer. Got to love autocorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Figured , especially since couldn't find anyone on butler with that name. He posted a pic of him from Friday night without crutches. I guess he didnt want them in the pic, but damn I was hoping he didnt have them anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 hours ago, slu72 said: I like that we have a week to get ready for the dogs! Note to Ford, find the tape where we blew them away back in 13-14. Show these guys how raucous the Fetz can get. If SVU can take 'em so can we! Butler has a week to get ready as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 hours ago, VeniceMenace said: Butler has a week to get ready as well. Yeah, but we have more talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheOne Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 Wiley plans to play Billikid, BuiltFordBills, moytoy12 and 11 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 This game will present an interesting match-up. Butler starts four wings and one big. McDermott is listed as a forward at 6'6", but he is a three point shooter. Either French or Gordon will have to guard him, and that means pulling away from the paint. Butler plays 7 double minutes, plus two others averaging just under 10. But like the Bills, only 7 players are counted on the score. Butler has two 6'10" bigs, but normally they only play one at a time. Occasionally you will see both, but that's not the typical lineup. Both McDermott and Jorgensen are hitting nearly 45% from the three. That makes arc defense, not helping in the paint, critical. Whomever guards McDermott must stay on him when Baldwin or Thompson penetrates. We likely will play a 4 guard lineup a significant amount of time. Baldwin is their main man, averaging just under 20 ppg. He is only hitting 25% from the three this year, but is a career 33% shooter. Whomever has him (assume Bess/Thatch) has to stay up on him and cut off the dribble, and get help in the lane. Their PG Thompson is not much of a scorer but has a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio. So perhaps Isabell can limit his damage. The Bulldogs are only +1 on the boards. That has a lot to do with their lineups. Baldwin, at 6'0", is their leading rebounder. He is also excellent at grabbing the board and turning it into a fast break. The Bills need to absolutely control the boards. For me, the key is to smother Baldwin. If Bess, with 6 inches on him, can stop Kamar and hold him to something well under his average, and if McDermott doesn't go off from the arc, this game is winable. Let Jorgensen get his 20, but hold the others down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I like how we matchup against Butler. Bills by 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: This game will present an interesting match-up. Butler starts four wings and one big. McDermott is listed as a forward at 6'6", but he is a three point shooter. Either French or Gordon will have to guard him, and that means pulling away from the paint. Butler plays 7 double minutes, plus two others averaging just under 10. But like the Bills, only 7 players are counted on the score. Butler has two 6'10" bigs, but normally they only play one at a time. Occasionally you will see both, but that's not the typical lineup. Both McDermott and Jorgensen are hitting nearly 45% from the three. That makes arc defense, not helping in the paint, critical. Whomever guards McDermott must stay on him when Baldwin or Thompson penetrates. We likely will play a 4 guard lineup a significant amount of time. Baldwin is their main man, averaging just under 20 ppg. He is only hitting 25% from the three this year, but is a career 33% shooter. Whomever has him (assume Bess/Thatch) has to stay up on him and cut off the dribble, and get help in the lane. Their PG Thompson is not much of a scorer but has a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio. So perhaps Isabell can limit his damage. The Bulldogs are only +1 on the boards. That has a lot to do with their lineups. Baldwin, at 6'0", is their leading rebounder. He is also excellent at grabbing the board and turning it into a fast break. The Bills need to absolutely control the boards. For me, the key is to smother Baldwin. If Bess, with 6 inches on him, can stop Kamar and hold him to something well under his average, and if McDermott doesn't go off from the arc, this game is winable. Let Jorgensen get his 20, but hold the others down. I would start with Gordon on him and when Foreman is on the court he would get the assignment. It has been pretty limited, but I think Gordon has shown an ability to play defense on the perimeter. Foreman last season proved to be a good perimeter defender. billikenfan05 and HoosierPal like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, brianstl said: I would start with Gordon on him and when Foreman is on the court he would get the assignment. It has been pretty limited, but I think Gordon has shown an ability to play defense on the perimeter. Foreman last season proved to be a good perimeter defender. My thoughts exactly...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, brianstl said: I would start with Gordon on him and when Foreman is on the court he would get the assignment. It has been pretty limited, but I think Gordon has shown an ability to play defense on the perimeter. Foreman last season proved to be a good perimeter defender. -I can see this, just need CAG to stay out of foul trouble as would like to see him exploit his advantages on the offensive end for much of the game, heck, the entire team needs to stay out of foul trouble against a good opponent -I hope we can impose our will on them rather than us adjusting to them -it is a dreary Monday in StL and I am glowing with excitement for this game on Saturday afternoon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, brianstl said: I would start with Gordon on him and when Foreman is on the court he would get the assignment. It has been pretty limited, but I think Gordon has shown an ability to play defense on the perimeter. Foreman last season proved to be a good perimeter defender. I wouldn't mind seeing Thatch get heavy minutes this game. His perimeter defense has been superb. brianstl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, SLU_Nick said: I wouldn't mind seeing Thatch get heavy minutes this game. His perimeter defense has been superb. and his 3 will start falling, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 That Baldwin guy takes a ton of shots. attempts about 17 FGs a game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 -Stu's tweet on the home page about Wiley is not promising, perhaps we are playing it coy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSide_Billiken Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Cowboy said: -Stu's tweet on the home page about Wiley is not promising, perhaps we are playing it coy Agreed. But if you look at the Team's Instagram post from today, there is a picture making it look like he practiced pretty hard at some point today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Cowboy said: -Stu's tweet on the home page about Wiley is not promising, perhaps we are playing it coy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 If they plan to play him against Butler, and he has Achilles tendonitis, a shot of lydocaine and depomedrol at the insertion should get him ready to play on Saturday. Just saying. Billikid likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Slu having its first almost sold out game at home after a week of recovery and working on offense seems like a recipient for a victory. The team will play their hardest game of the year for sure. Seems like easy money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Took a look at the Butler forum to see what they were saying about this game.... Let’s just say they’re still very butt hurt about the game (and season) in 2013 when we went into Hinkle and beat them, our second of three wins over them that season. That bus trip and game is still probably my favorite memory as a SLU fan. They claim we were loud and obnoxious (probably true) and that “several fans were booted from Hinkle for taunting other fans and players” (definitely untrue). https://butlerhoops.com/forum/index.php?threads/butler-bulldogs-5-1-vs-slu-5-1-12-1-2018.2387/ Anyway, I would definitely like to extract some revenge for the waxing they put on our six man team last year. majerus mojo, rgbilliken and David King like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rgbilliken Posted November 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: Took a look at the Butler forum to see what they were saying about this game.... Let’s just say they’re still very butt hurt about the game (and season) in 2013 when we went into Hinkle and beat them, our second of three wins over them that season. That bus trip and game is still probably my favorite memory as a SLU fan. They claim we were loud and obnoxious (probably true) and that “several fans were booted from Hinkle for taunting other fans and players” (definitely untrue). https://butlerhoops.com/forum/index.php?threads/butler-bulldogs-5-1-vs-slu-5-1-12-1-2018.2387/ Anyway, I would definitely like to extract some revenge for the waxing they put on our six man team last year. Quote IIRC, Mr. Chaifetz, who donated to get his name on the arena, has a courtside seat right at halfcourt and likes to be obnoxious. UDDawg, Today at 2:13 PM Lol... I almost made an account on their board to say, "That's Dr. Chaifetz to you." Box and Won, wgstl, BillIkenFan_Dan and 7 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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