GDT: Don't Baste the Lions, Maul Them

[dlarry]

1 minute ago, BlueAndWhite said:

He looks lost because he’s playing out of position and Isabell won’t pass him the ball. It amazes me that some don’t see this. Go rewatch the 5 minutes stretch beginning around the 10:00 mark of the second half where Goodwin ran the team with Isabell on the bench. Our offense looked much better. We actually moved the ball, and Goodwin was a factor.

Aside from Isabell dribbling the ball into the ground every possession, his body language is atrocious. This team will never be what it’s capable of if he’s running the point. I agree with others that Goodwin at the 1 and Isabell at the 2 is worth trying.

I’m seeing the same thing from Goodwin.

Goodwin got pulled twice for not getting the ball to a wide open Isabell.

I doubt it a personal thing with either player. It’s a chemistry thing that may or may not get better. 

I’m not sure why Isabell is getting all the blame here. 

[billikenfan05]

12 minutes ago, dlarry said:

I think that’s part of it.

I don’t think it’s ego or not getting along just not understanding their roles together.

05 It seems you want to put all the blame on Isabell and that’s not the case.

There were at least 2 times tonight Isabell was wide open in the corner and Goodwin wouldn’t give him the ball. Both times Goodwin got pulled at the next stoppage and Ford pointed to the corner and told Goodwin “get him the ball.”

 

Neither of them want to defer. But I think you have to put blame on the guy that wasn’t here last year and is a one year guy. 

[dlarry]

1 minute ago, billikenfan05 said:

Neither of them want to defer. But I think you have to put blame on the guy that wasn’t here last year and is a one year guy. 

Fair enough.

i would say the blame is on both of them. I don’t care if a guy is here for 1 year 2 years or 4 years. While he is on the team he is a teammate and you need to figure out how to make it work. 

The responisbility is on both of them and Ford.

[mrjoelabs]

Either way, Goodwin got triple doubles last year running the show. It should be his show, hands down. Do we want him to transfer? Ford has a history of mismanaging star players. He wasted Marcus Smart at OK state and never could win with him.  And can we at least get Thor on the court and see if he can hit a 3? And perhaps see more of Thatch...  This team looks like a bunch of guys playing streetball..no cohesion, no plan, no system.  Last year they were a well oiled machine (once they figured it out), with no talent....  Maybe they just need time. But these chemistry issues should've been sorted out in practice. Or Ford's history of getting big recruits but having underwhelming teams is going to bite us.

[SouthSide_Billiken]

3 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:

Neither of them want to defer. But I think you have to put blame on the guy that wasn’t here last year and is a one year guy. 

I am firmly on Team JGood here. In addition to the reason stated above,  TIs body language is atrocious. There were several times where he didn't get the ball and  threw his hands up in the air in total disgust. He was also expressing his displeasure vocally. JGood is the heart and soul of this team. Currently, he is not himself. He is not dancing around before the game or after big runs. If this is because of a beef with TI, it has got to be fixed.

[RiseAndGrind]

3 minutes ago, SouthSide_Billiken said:

I am firmly on Team JGood here. In addition to the reason stated above,  TIs body language is atrocious. There were several times where he didn't get the ball and  threw his hands up in the air in total disgust. He was also expressing his displeasure vocally. JGood is the heart and soul of this team. Currently, he is not himself. He is not dancing around before the game or after big runs. If this is because of a beef with TI, it has got to be fixed.

I want them to get along but I mean if the question becomes "either/or" there is no real question about it. 

[mrjoelabs]

8 minutes ago, SouthSide_Billiken said:

I am firmly on Team JGood here. In addition to the reason stated above,  TIs body language is atrocious. There were several times where he didn't get the ball and  threw his hands up in the air in total disgust. He was also expressing his displeasure vocally. JGood is the heart and soul of this team. Currently, he is not himself. He is not dancing around before the game or after big runs. If this is because of a beef with TI, it has got to be fixed.

100%  Right.  Isabell is a nice scorer, but hes a 1 year guy. Just shoot the ball and shut up

[Old guy]

My take, I just came back from Chaifetz. Please understand that I am not an expert in basketball and that any of you people can see more detail in the way they play than I do. Today's game was not well attended, student section about 1/4 full not many people present either. The noise level, at least in the first half was primarily made by people booing the refs. The refs were truly at a new level of terrible. Basketball should be an exiting game with a lot of fast moves. These idiots managed to slow the first half and made it into a FT shooting contest. There are tons of trained people that would like the opportunity to officiate in these games, why in heavens does the A10 choose such buffoons?

I too am less than impressed with Isabell, I wonder if Ford is managing this combo of Isabell and Goodwin correctly. 

As I said the first half was boring and slowed down to a crawl by the refs. I have no idea what took place at the half but the refs were less throttling of the game's tempo in the second half. What can I say, it was not pretty, it was boring (at least the first half), N Alabama was not as bad as I thought they would be, and we did not play very well. That said, we won by 11 pts which is a lot less than expected but is a win. We are 3-0 now. 

I have no idea what will happen against Seton Hall or Pitt and I am afraid to think about it. 

[ARon]

Anyone else feel like there is nothing going on here we don’t see every single season?

[Glorydays2013]

Goodwin at the 1, distrubute to an open isabell for a 3.

A faster offense that doesn't make slow moving passes

 

[Scoop]

Wow. Chill out. More JGood, less Isabell.  2 guards that are used to running the show will take some time but JGood should have the keys.  Let's not divide but support. I think Bills play up and give Hall a game. Go Bills.

[RiseOfTheBillikens]

2 hours ago, moytoy12 said:

You’ve seen us play this year, right?

Ya Ive been watching while you type pointless negativity on here

[BIG BILL FAN]

7 hours ago, mrjoelabs said:

Either way, Goodwin got triple doubles last year running the show. It should be his show, hands down. Do we want him to transfer? Ford has a history of mismanaging star players. He wasted Marcus Smart at OK state and never could win with him.  And can we at least get Thor on the court and see if he can hit a 3? And perhaps see more of Thatch...  This team looks like a bunch of guys playing streetball..no cohesion, no plan, no system.  Last year they were a well oiled machine (once they figured it out), with no talent....  Maybe they just need time. But these chemistry issues should've been sorted out in practice. Or Ford's history of getting big recruits but having underwhelming teams is going to bite us.

Jordan Goodwin needs to understand he's not a jump shooter and take the ball to the basket. He's been in a fog, maybe the injury is bothering him some......

[Billiken4life5]

One thing that would help this situation would be improving our transition game.  If you get the rebound, then you lead the break.  This would help divvy up some of the "PG"duties and since J Good is the better rebounder he'd be running the show more off non-dead balls. But our wings don't run hard and we rarely get anything in transition.  Goodwin needs to play more inside-out.  Get yourself going by attacking the rim and then all the sudden the perimeter jump shot is a lot better shot.  But he's struggling to attack because has the ball less and our spacing is bad.    

[slusam]

51 minutes ago, Billiken4life5 said:

One thing that would help this situation would be improving our transition game.  If you get the rebound, then you lead the break.  This would help divvy up some of the "PG"duties and since J Good is the better rebounder he'd be running the show more off non-dead balls. But our wings don't run hard and we rarely get anything in transition.  Goodwin needs to play more inside-out.  Get yourself going by attacking the rim and then all the sudden the perimeter jump shot is a lot better shot.  But he's struggling to attack because has the ball less and our spacing is bad.    

Goodwin just needs to see some of his jump shots go in. He will be fine. He played off the ball a lot last year with the walk on and Roby playing the point. We are 3 and 0 and will look good by the opening of the A10.

[CBFan]

9 hours ago, mrjoelabs said:

Either way, Goodwin got triple doubles last year running the show. It should be his show, hands down. Do we want him to transfer? Ford has a history of mismanaging star players. He wasted Marcus Smart at OK state and never could win with him.  And can we at least get Thor on the court and see if he can hit a 3? And perhaps see more of Thatch...  This team looks like a bunch of guys playing streetball..no cohesion, no plan, no system.  Last year they were a well oiled machine (once they figured it out), with no talent....  Maybe they just need time. But these chemistry issues should've been sorted out in practice. Or Ford's history of getting big recruits but having underwhelming teams is going to bite us.

No talent, wut?

Bess, French, Goodwin

[HoosierPal]

What raised my eyebrows the most was having Wiley in over Goodwin in the closing minutes.  Wiley doesn't defend or rebound, or shoot FT particularly well.  Not sure why he was on the lock down squad.

[joe_davola]

We are off to a slower start than expected, but let's just give this some time.  We knew this would take some time to get these players to gel.  It's like sex with a new girl..everything is new and exciting.  You know how talented you are in the sack, but the chemistry takes a little time to get right.  Then there is that one night when everything clicks, the confidence shoots up and from that point forward, you are a porn star.

We will be ok.  We are trying to find out our right go to moves and positions.  Once it clicks, we will pummel the rest of the A-10.  I haven't lost hope (and I ripped Isabell the first day).

 

[slusam]

2 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

What raised my eyebrows the most was having Wiley in over Goodwin in the closing minutes.  Wiley doesn't defend or rebound, or shoot FT particularly well.  Not sure why he was on the lock down squad.

I think Thatch came in for Wiley after he missed the 2 freethrows. Thatch brought some energy and Ford said he was second on the team in plus minus. Goodwin had a bad game. It happens.

[Cowboy]

-a lot of things covered in this thread but one thing not mentioned was the guy on N Ala who was screaming while on the court, that was annoying

-we shot better ft's, good for us

-I do think making shots would ease a lot of pain but we are approaching the point on shooting where we are who we are, so who are we going to be? time will tell

[RUBillsFan]

11 hours ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

What I'm saying is that, though there may be an 8-man rotation, there should still be a few minutes for some of those outside of the rotation.

We saw the same problem with the 2013-14 squad (yeah, I know that that was Crews), and it was a factor that limited that team's post-season.

I don't have an issue with an 8 man rotation and I agree that there should be a few minutes for some outside the rotation.

Out biggest problem is that our 8 man rotation apparently isn't good enough to build up a big lead and allow some of the other guys playing time in low leverage situations.  Granted with KC hurt, the only guys who would be getting garbage time minutes would be Jacobs and Thor.  However, getting those freshman some level of meaningful PT now would likely pay dividends down the road. 

[wgstl]

Just now, RUBillsFan said:

I don't have an issue with an 8 man rotation and I agree that there should be a few minutes for some outside the rotation.

 

As Ford said, he expects others to get more minutes, but in a less crucial time.  We haven't had a solid lead yet.

[RUBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, wgstl said:

As Ford said, he expects others to get more minutes, but in a less crucial time.  We haven't had a solid lead yet.

Yes, read the 2nd part of my post.

[NashvilleBilliken]

This teams issue is the ability for Goodwin and Isabell to play together, like many have said. My take is that Goodwin has a harder time passing to Isabell than the other way around. If all these guys would just play within the offense, everybody would get their points. I think Goodwin is trying too hard to get points while Isabell isn't being put in a position to score . I actually think Isabell is TRYING to get the offense going but just doesn't know how to right now. He has had some really nice passes that I haven't seen anybody else do (i.e. that sweet pass to Foreman for the flush). I don't think the team has really embraced Isabell (just my opinion from chemistry on the court) and what he can do. 

Run the offense, look for the open man, take a shot, stop all the 1 on 1/stagnation and we'll be a tough team to beat.

[Quality Is Job 1]

2 hours ago, Billiken4life5 said:

One thing that would help this situation would be improving our transition game.  If you get the rebound, then you lead the break.  This would help divvy up some of the "PG"duties and since J Good is the better rebounder he'd be running the show more off non-dead balls. But our wings don't run hard and we rarely get anything in transition.  Goodwin needs to play more inside-out.  Get yourself going by attacking the rim and then all the sudden the perimeter jump shot is a lot better shot.  But he's struggling to attack because has the ball less and our spacing is bad.    

If the player who gets the rebound leads the break, seldom will it be a break.  It's quicker moving the ball by a pass than on the dribble.  Unless the rebound comes long, the player who corrals the rebound usually has too many opposing players between himself and the basket to have a viable fast break.  A good fast break team will have an outlet man to receive the outlet pass from the rebounder, who should take off to fill one of the lanes on the break.