Billy Ken Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Illinois, one of the most dire states in the union financially, has an AD (former Wash U AD) able to raise money for a hockey program. When are people going to seriously realize SLU deserves better across the whole university? How do the higher ups at SLU, BoT or long time donors think this is impossible. Hockey is so big in STL, AD that’s been at SLU over 10 years hasn’t figured that out, especially with no football, then again he watched as soccer declined. So I guess no surprises there, he is consistent. I don’t get it. One thing is for sure you will never hear the words SLU AD and savvy in same sentence or article. prebilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I opened this thread fully expecting a situation 3. Bad thread title prebilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, SLU_Nick said: I opened this thread fully expecting a situation 3. Bad thread title i knowwww Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 49 minutes ago, Billy Ken said: Illinois, one of the most dire states in the union financially, has an AD (former Wash U AD) able to raise money for a hockey program. When are people going to seriously realize SLU deserves better across the whole university? How do the higher ups at SLU, BoT or long time donors think this is impossible. Hockey is so big in STL, AD that’s been at SLU over 10 years hasn’t figured that out, especially with no football, then again he watched as soccer declined. So I guess no surprises there, he is consistent. I don’t get it. One thing is for sure you will never hear the words SLU AD and savvy in same sentence or article. It's not that they can't or don't think we can raise the money I believe the BoT would rather raise for other purposes SLU athletics is not a priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: It's not that they can't or don't think we can raise the money I believe the BoT would rather raise for other purposes SLU athletics is not a priority. Also, to be fair to May and the B of T, the Illini have multiples of 100,000 more total graduates and athletic supporters than SLU. Heck in another thread recently we have complained about the baseball and soccer facilities so we can't even get our supporters to shell out for those sports, let alone adding another. In addition, if hockey would be a NCAA program with the required scholarships to be competitive, it would affect the Title 9 required balance of male/female scholarships which would have an impact on current male teams. In other words, it ain't gonna happen. Heck in a hotbed of soccer, city like St. Louis we can't even afford more than partial scholarships to a limited number of players, with the other players, in effect, walking on and/or getting some academic scholarship dollars.. Sure May could do a better job of fundraising, but I for one am tapped out with my Billiken Club and season ticket expenditures and I sit with a group of guys who are in the same situation. Supporters, but don't ask for more! Hit the good and generous Dr. C. for more? I would rather keep his budgeted SLU athletic support funds going to the MBB program than to a new sport. If you are a big hockey person, go to a few more Blues games. cgeldmacher likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Never should have dropped the hockey program. MB73, almaman and prebilliken like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 8 hours ago, Billy Ken said: Illinois, one of the most dire states in the union financially, has an AD (former Wash U AD) able to raise money for a hockey program. When are people going to seriously realize SLU deserves better across the whole university? How do the higher ups at SLU, BoT or long time donors think this is impossible. Hockey is so big in STL, AD that’s been at SLU over 10 years hasn’t figured that out, especially with no football, then again he watched as soccer declined. So I guess no surprises there, he is consistent. I don’t get it. One thing is for sure you will never hear the words SLU AD and savvy in same sentence or article. I find it hard to believe that the athletic department has to run fundraising efforts for certain purposes by the BoT. The obsession with the BoT around here is ridiculous. If I were to say here’s 50 million to convert Chaifetz for hockey that Chris May would have to go to the BoT for permission to spend that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 minute ago, billikenfan05 said: I find it hard to believe that the athletic department has to run fundraising efforts for certain purposes by the BoT. The obsession with the BoT around here is ridiculous. If I were to say here’s 50 million to convert Chaifetz for hockey that Chris May would have to go to the BoT for permission to spend that money. Sorry, but he would have to go and get the BOT approval. Nothing can happen without the approval of the that group - they are the legal entity for SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, billikenfan05 said: I find it hard to believe that the athletic department has to run fundraising efforts for certain purposes by the BoT. The obsession with the BoT around here is ridiculous. If I were to say here’s 50 million to convert Chaifetz for hockey that Chris May would have to go to the BoT for permission to spend that money. The obesscion exist because the university has a history of rejecting money that wasn’t raised for approved projects. Seriously, it only takes the school doing this one time to kill people trying to raise funds on their own. SLU has told donors to take a hike twice in the past decade who raised money on their own for different projects to improve the the athletic department. TheChosenOne likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, cheeseman said: Sorry, but he would have to go and get the BOT approval. Nothing can happen without the approval of the that group - they are the legal entity for SLU. That can’t be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Why are we so eager to waste donor money?? Brighton and Littlebill like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 8 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: That can’t be true. Why can't it - who do you think is the legal governing body of SLU - it is not the administration, they only serve at the request of the BOT. SLU is not owned by the Jesuits or the Catholic Church. When the arena was built Biondi got TIF money and when it was challenged in court the school's position was that we were not a religious owned school but owned and run by a lay board. It went to the Missouri Supreme Court and they agreed with Biondi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 2 hours ago, ARon said: Why are we so eager to waste donor money?? Some are only eager to waste your donated money not theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 2 hours ago, cheeseman said: Why can't it - who do you think is the legal governing body of SLU - it is not the administration, they only serve at the request of the BOT. SLU is not owned by the Jesuits or the Catholic Church. When the arena was built Biondi got TIF money and when it was challenged in court the school's position was that we were not a religious owned school but owned and run by a lay board. It went to the Missouri Supreme Court and they agreed with Biondi. So the BOT (run by a lay board) supported the handling of S2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Why is it that everybody is assuming the money would come from current donors? Illinois started with a feasibility study, has SLU ever looked at it. In that case the NHL and Blackhawks went to them but has May or SLU ever approached the Blues about it? They have a very large local ownership group and presenting the argument that it could help grow hockey in the region in an area with a ton of NHL alumni could be compelling to get some of them who don't donate to give money for it. Maybe some NHL Alumni would give some money to it and they don't give to SLU currently. Announcing a feasibility study also would show how much excitement there actually is or isn't for it in the area. Could SLU then do a season ticket study to see how many people would be interested? They can compare that list of people they get to current donors and basketball season ticket holders to see how many new possible donors they could have. What is the cost to turn Chaifetz into a dual purpose arena? Could they get more Disney on ice type shows and make a better profit then they do now when they have to bring in ice for the shows? Maybe these things have been done and cost wise they can't see it but I just find it hard to believe if May went to the BoT and just said he wanted to do work on a feasibility study of adding hockey they would say no. Now before collecting money and going through with it of course they would have to get approval. billikenfan05 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 6 hours ago, ARon said: Why are we so eager to waste donor money?? People already ***** about the athletic budget and some want to add another team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Billboy1 said: So the BOT (run by a lay board) supported the handling of S2 Since the BoT won't make a statement we really don't know how they feel about S2, however considering pesty, krafty, and stormy are business as usual with their cushy slu jobs, I'd assume the BoT is all in the way it was handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Billboy1 said: So the BOT (run by a lay board) supported the handling of S2 One can only assume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 I'd rather not see the Chaifetz floor having ice underneath. That was one of the benefits of getting away from Scottrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 The cost of converting Chaifetz into a hockey arena is the same as the cost to rebuild the whole thing. It was built around a basketball court. That is what we wanted and still want. The arenas that are build for hockey are terrible for basketball sitelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Iken Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 On 6/10/2018 at 2:30 AM, bauman said: In other words, it ain't gonna happen. Heck in a hotbed of soccer, city like St. Louis we can't even afford more than partial scholarships to a limited number of players, with the other players, in effect, walking on and/or getting some academic scholarship dollars.. To be fair, the NCAA (thanks Title IX) limits men's soccer to a paltry 9.9 scholarships. As there's 11 players on the field at one time, 2 back-up keepers and at least another 7 field players in the rotation, it's easy to see that most university's choose to split the scholarships to attract a more players (instead of full scholarships on a few) and rely on academic scholarships for a large portion of the players. So we can't blame the SLU administration this time. billikenfan05 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, William Iken said: To be fair, the NCAA (thanks Title IX) limits men's soccer to a paltry 9.9 scholarships. As there's 11 players on the field at one time, 2 back-up keepers and at least another 7 field players in the rotation, it's easy to see that most university's choose to split the scholarships to attract a more players (instead of full scholarships on a few) and rely on academic scholarships for a large portion of the players. So we can't blame the SLU administration this time. To expand on that SLU uses the full amount. The idea that you don’t have a minimum of 11 scholarships is baffling William Iken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Iken Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, billikenfan05 said: To expand on that SLU uses the full amount. The idea that you don’t have a minimum of 11 scholarships is baffling The NAIA is the reasonable association here and allows 12 scholarships for men's soccer - at least enough to field a team. There must be a formula - 9.9 seems odd - but not sure what it is. But if I recall correctly it's the same number as when I was in college back in the early 1990s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WUH Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 If you ever get a chance to talk to him, there is something about Josh Whitman. He has both the quiet charisma and the personal story to be one of the best fundraisers in the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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