Bills_06 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 So let me get this straight, Ortiz, the guy who wrote an obituary about Cardinal Bernard Law where there was actual evidence that he covered up years of rape and molestation of children wrote an article saying SLU is putting it's basketball players ahead of keeping the campus safe when he has no idea what actually happened? Honestly can you be any worse of a columnist. Spoon-Balls and dlarry like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 12 hours ago, Coach314 said: Not sure what your question has to with me saying I felt sorry for those three young men. Go away. You have no interest in anything but trashing SLU players. You are one sick person........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, Bills_06 said: So let me get this straight, Ortiz, the guy who wrote an obituary about Cardinal Bernard Law where there was actual evidence that he covered up years of rape and molestation of children wrote an article saying SLU is putting it's basketball players ahead of keeping the campus safe when he has no idea what actually happened? Honestly can you be any worse of a columnist. Good point. I had forgot about his love affair with Chester the Molester. Someone with Twitter or Facebook stltoday commenting powers needs to remind him of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I refuse to give a click to Ortiz, but does the article actually say Goodwin violated Title IX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, brianstl said: I refuse to give a click to Ortiz, but does the article actually say Goodwin violated Title IX? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, brianstl said: I refuse to give a click to Ortiz, but does the article actually say Goodwin violated Title IX? Goodwin now acknowledges that he violated the school’s Title IX policy during the incident in question, so one must wonder if he and the SLU basketball program ran the clock out as long as possible as the star freshman led the Billikens while the other three players were not allowed to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Westy03 said: Goodwin now acknowledges that he violated the school’s Title IX policy during the incident in question, so one must wonder if he and the SLU basketball program ran the clock out as long as possible as the star freshman led the Billikens while the other three players were not allowed to play. I forgot the main pillar of journalism “make assumptions based on rumor and innuendo.“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamJAMTIME Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 As someone said yesterday, Ortiz clearly had the article written and was just looking for a quote to throw in there. It looks like he's hosting a live chat at 1 PM on PD website if anyone wants to rip him a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I knew that article was coming and it still makes my blood boil to read it. Unreal. Where is Ben Fred or Hochman to do the critique of SLU Title IX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Can someone link the article please edit: can internet http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jose-de-jesus-ortiz/ortiz-taking-responsibility-too-easy-of-a-response-for-goodwin/article_5079ac3f-af74-578c-962d-86a3a739f184.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 The idiot compares this to Baylor, Michigan st, and Penn St Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 By the way, going into this season the general thought was that AH would be our top scorer so any suggestion from Ortiz or Coach314 or whoever that Goodwin got special treatment because of his player status is so misguided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, majerus mojo said: Can someone link the article please I’d rather not give him the clicks. He mentioned SLU in the same breath as Penn St, Michigan St, and Baylor. He takes Ford to task for saying his goal was to make the program one of the best teams in the country, while omitting that ford also mentioned in the periscope press conference that half of his job is to grow his players as ‘people’. It isnt worth anyone’s time. It’s the same lazy hack job crap he tries to pull regularly. He isn’t very smart. He is why print is dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 If Ortiz was a real reporter he would dig into the pasts of all four players to find the red flags he is implying Ford missed when he brought them to campus. He probably did some preliminary digging and not finding anything stopped so as not to confirm there was no premise to his statement. Also, no mention in the story that the police investigated and no charges have been filed. Of course, that's not relevant to his story line that a sexual assault occurred. He doesn't want the facts to stand in the way of his story. slu2016 likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, majerus mojo said: Can someone link the article please http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jose-de-jesus-ortiz/ortiz-taking-responsibility-too-easy-of-a-response-for-goodwin/article_5079ac3f-af74-578c-962d-86a3a739f184.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 11 hours ago, dlarry said: Now that everything is basically over I think it's time to release the survivors names. Maybe they can sell their story of survival to the Lifetime Network. If lifetime doesn't want it they can always call Skin-a-max. Please use quotes when referring to the "survivors." dlarry likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, Westy03 said: Goodwin now acknowledges that he violated the school’s Title IX policy during the incident in question, so one must wonder if he and the SLU basketball program ran the clock out as long as possible as the star freshman led the Billikens while the other three players were not allowed to play. Jesus, that isn’t what Goodwin acknowledges in his statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, kmbilliken said: If Ortiz was a real reporter he would dig into the pasts of all four players to find the red flags he is implying Ford missed when he brought them to campus. He probably did some preliminary digging and not finding anything stopped so as not to confirm there was no premise to his statement. Also, no mention in the story that the police investigated and no charges have been filed. Of course, that's that relevant to the story line that a sexual assault occurred. He doesn't want the facts to stand in the way of his story. If this were written about Latino players guarantee he would be screaming racism because somebody is accusing them of being criminals and bad people with no evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon-Balls Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Background checks for the basketball players? Ortiz is a fuoking racist. Actually can't believe the Post Dispatch is letting him write this garbage. They'll be getting a nice letter from me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Spoon-Balls said: Background checks for the basketball players? Ortiz is a fuoking racist. How does one do a background check on a minor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 In some fairness to Ortiz, which I hate giving, the news yesterday was that Goodwin wasn’t found to have violated the sexual assault policy. Who knows if the school policy Goodwin admitted to violating was the Title IX policy or some other generic policy? I guess what I’m saying is we can’t be sure that Soft Hands Ortiz’s column contains falsities and is libelous. But nevertheless, I’m pretty sure I wrote better commentaries in college for the University News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, Littlebill said: I’d rather not give him the clicks. He mentioned SLU in the same breath as Penn St, Michigan St, and Baylor. He takes Ford to task for saying his goal was to make the program one of the best teams in the country, while omitting that ford also mentioned in the periscope press conference that half of his job is to grow his players as ‘people’. It isnt worth anyone’s time. It’s the same lazy hack job crap he tries to pull regularly. He isn’t very smart. He is why print is dying. Yea I had to see it ha. Tweeted at Stu, Ashley Jost, and Ortiz asking what was up with he column. Holding my breath on a rebuttal! The comparisons to those schools are insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, DeSmetBilliken said: In some fairness to Ortiz, which I hate giving, the news yesterday was that Goodwin wasn’t found to have violated the sexual assault policy. Who knows if the school policy Goodwin admitted to violating was the Title IX policy or some other generic policy? I guess what I’m saying is we can’t be sure that Soft Hands Ortiz’s column contains falsities and is libelous. But nevertheless, I’m pretty sure I wrote better commentaries in college for the University News. Are these two different things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Goodwin, in his own words, "violated University policy." It is Ortiz' written word that claims he violated the school's Title IX policy which is NOT what Goodwins' statement says. This is what is said five paragraphs below Goodwin's official statement. I would offer Ortiz is WRONG. EDIT: Now confirmed by Mr. Goodwin's statement to Kilcoyne. Shoddy journalism. But SLU's opaque vagueness to this whole situation resulted in the column that came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, DeSmetBilliken said: In some fairness to Ortiz, which I hate giving, the news yesterday was that Goodwin wasn’t found to have violated the sexual assault policy. Who knows if the school policy Goodwin admitted to violating was the Title IX policy or some other generic policy? I guess what I’m saying is we can’t be sure that Soft Hands Ortiz’s column contains falsities and is libelous. But nevertheless, I’m pretty sure I wrote better commentaries in college for the University News. And here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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