TFord and TRavs Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 So word is these women decided to recind their consent towards the end/ after the encounter. I honestly have no idea what happened but that is the word being passed by a few students Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 27 minutes ago, STL Hoops Insider said: And who said the Duke Lacrosse players were innocent? Please tell me you are joking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Regarding the Duke Lacrosse situation: N. C. Attorney General at the time, Roy Cooper added: "We believe these cases were a result of a tragic rush to accuse and failure to verify serious allegations. Based on these significant inconsistencies of evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we believe these three individuals are innocent of these charges." Cooper said not only are the players innocent of the charges they faced, but there is "no credible evidence that an attack occurred at that house on that night." "All evidence contradicts her story. She contradicts herself," he said of the accuser, Crystal Gail Mangum. Now, regarding situation 2, are you effing kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 hour ago, billikenfan05 said: The allegations are indeed disturbing. But I’ll say it again. They are only allegations at this point. You’re innocent until proven guilty and until the police release a decision on wether or not to file charges I’m going to wait to judge either party involved. There is a lot floating around right now, but from what I've heard, it seems like there will be no criminal charges filed against any of the accused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 49 minutes ago, ARon said: I don't think the current administration is interested in "appearing" to not tolerate this behavior. I'd expect them to err on the side of no tolerance. Remember that charges don't need to be filed discipline to be applied. And even if charges are not filed, it doesn't mean nothing happened. At this point I don't care. I'm sick of this crap. If they need to have a gotdamn "this is how not to sexually assault woman, you idiots" class for new students then so be. Probably not the time or the place for the school to appear that they are denying a group of young black males proper due process. RUBillsFan, Tonka, NextYearBill and 1 other like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: There is a lot floating around right now, but from what I've heard, it seems like there will be no criminal charges filed against any of the accused. That seems to be what is making the rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Amazing. Someone said that they had to sit through a no means no speech. Sounds like the coaching staff needs to have a second session after that where they say "Listen, guys, just don't F'in do it. Bringing girls back to your room is too dangerous." Then we need another speech for the co-eds where the athletic department asks them to please stop ........" I should stop now. Going to get myself in trouble. I'm just super frustrated with this whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 51 minutes ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: AGREED Regarding discipline, that is understood after what happened in 2010. But when you say "even if charges are not filed, it doesn't mean nothing happened", you have to keep in mind, even if there is an allegation of assault, doesn't mean there was an assault. I agree. Just saying that when thinking/speaking about the accusers, just because authorities don't file charges it doesn't mean nothing happened and no one was hurt. Yes, there are Duke Lacrosse situations. But there are also many cases where charges are not filed only because it is a he said/she said situation and they don't feel they can get a conviction. Just something for everyone to keep in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 If no criminal charges, I would hope this plays out differently than last time. I don't think either side was happy about the essentially 1 year suspension. My guess (opinion/prediction/whatever) is that if no criminal charges, the school tries to drop the hammer but ends up in a 8 game suspension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I'd hope after living through last scandal the AD has been hammering the student athletes for years about this kind of stuff. Be interested to know what programs the department has in place last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 All students at all universities should get more training on sexual assault awareness, prevention and bystander intervention. Sexual assault at colleges is a terrible epidemic and the frequency with which it happens increasing the rate at which young men are incorrectly accused (though the former issue of those two is still the much bigger issue) HoosierPal and Billy Ken like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 It makes those who railed on Tilmon for getting an underage drinking violation in Columbia seem quite petty now. I don't know why, but that really bothered me. I hope this was just one big misunderstanding. I feel most for Ford right now. What does he have to be thinking? More information needs to come out to see what exactly happened. Let's not jump to conclusions. These are allegations. No one was arrested, so that is a good sign. At least, I hope nobody was arrested. More so, I hope nobody was victimized. TaLBErt and Billy Ken like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 There are so many angles and quirks in a situation like this that they are a major problem regardless of how they are handled or who handles it. We all know that the legal system is full of quirks and technicalities, and that even if the players are found to be completely innocent in a court of law the University HAS to take some kind of action. The University has to act to prevent any further such events from happening. It is true that we on this board are working on nothing but rumors and vague text messages, it is also true that none of us really knows what happened. That does not alter the fact that this is a major problem for the University with or without criminal charges, and with or without formal trials in court. The University has to act one way or the other to put a lid on events like these. I really do not see how the involved players can come out of this without major disciplinary action (to call it something). In other words they are not going to be put into a room and made to write the sentence "I will be careful and respect "no" for an answer." 100 times on a blackboard. We can certainly expect a lot worse than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluBallz Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 hours ago, HoosierBilliken said: I feel most for Ford right now. What does he have to be thinking? He is thinking about how glad he is not at OKState, Auburn, USC, or Arizona. Sexual Assault is a lot easier to deal with then the FBI. HoosierBilliken likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 The sexual assault topic is controversial enough. Let's drop the Shockley talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prebilliken Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Serious question, how does one "rescind consent" after a sexual encounter? This is likely why there is little legal reason to move forward with charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, prebilliken said: Serious question, how does one "rescind consent" after a sexual encounter? You say "no". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prebilliken Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, JohnnyJumpUp said: You say "no" I swear I'm being serious about this question, how do you say no to sex, after the sex is finished? That's called regret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, prebilliken said: I swear I'm being serious about this question, how do you say no to sex, after the sex is finished? That's called regret. Sorry, misread your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFord and TRavs Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just a reminder, at a private school, being completely innocent does not mean you won’t be punished. Flawed but don’t expect nothing to happen. Slu doesn’t want student antifists protesting and yelling rapist at the basketball games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 First of all I do not know anymore than most on the board about this situation. That being said for those who think SLU has do something punitive even if no charges are filed I think you may be putting the cart before the horse. The school needs to wait for the DA's explanation as to why no charges were filed. If the DA says there was nothing they could find to support that a rape took place then why would the school need to do anything. Now if the DA says the evidence was compromised so no chance for a conviction then that is a horse of a different color. CBFan likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Bill Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Slu's sexual assault policy is very black and white. Essentially any contact with someone who has consumed alcohol is assault. Regardless of whether there is a criminal case, these guys could be toast under the school's policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTud Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Meh! SLU baseball players were always far sleazier than the basketball players. Why couldn't this have been 4 baseball players accused (and not guilty of course)? Can someone just say with a simple yes or no if [a particular player] was one of the individuals accused? I'm trying to decide whether or not to donate my season tickets... Edited September 27, 2017 by Quality Is Job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Billikens.com never ceases to amaze me. Somehow, a thread on very serious *sexual*assault* allegation against SLU athletes has turned into a discussion on white privilege. majerus mojo likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 44 minutes ago, prebilliken said: I swear I'm being serious about this question, how do you say no to sex, after the sex is finished? That's called regret. Assuming this will be the guys' case. As it was for the first incident, no? ALSO, can't believe I came to check on this thread just to read a bunch of bickering about the Duke LAX case. Get a grip people. You don't have to change the world here Tonka likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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