SLU_Lax Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Pistol said: Seems like a lot of people expect Graves, Henriquez, and possibly the others (hopefully not) to go nuclear against the school in the media. Is that because of Rosenblum and his reputation? Because normally it isn’t that satisfying. The player(s) depart, say nothing, and then a year or so later file a lawsuit, and then there’s a settlement of an undisclosed amount. People say they have “nothing to lose” by scorching SLU in the press. That isn’t true. They have nothing to gain if there’s some money potentially on the line. This is right. They can exchange their silence for cash money. If they go nuclear now, they lose that bargaining chip. Now the players may politely disagree with the findings and call the process flawed, but they won’t lay everything out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 4 hours ago, juniorbill76 said: So many questions remain (a summary - feel free to add): Why did the other two girls choose not to participate in the investigation, if those reports are true? What’s in the police report? Was this the girls’ first on-camera rodeo? Is there a way to check their social media accounts, even if private, blocked or deleted, perhaps with a court order? If there was video, what did the girls say or do on it? Did one reach for the camera/phone, say stop, or did they continue what they were doing? Why has one player been playing all year? Why were the other three allowed to practice all year, and attend classes? Why were they moved off and on campus several times? Why did Ty Graves leave now? Why did AD get an agent now? Why is AD still listed on the roster? How did the ruling compare with the report from the outside firm? Who put the tribbles in the quadrotriticale? And what was in the grain that killed them? I'm ready to move on and support Ford and the future players. Let the lawyers handle the rest. If Ford leaves, I'm done with SLU. NextYearBill likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, HoosierBilliken said: If Ford leaves, I'm done with SLU. ohhh God yea drkelsey55 likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFord and TRavs Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Slu advertised the game with Goodwin. Big if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, TFord and TRavs said: Slu advertised the game with Goodwin. Big if true so is it true? WTF is wrong with you drkelsey55 likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, TFord and TRavs said: Slu advertised the game with Goodwin. Big if true Advertised where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFord and TRavs Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: Advertised where? Instagram with Goodwin dunking. Isn’t bad news but then again slu media and slu title 9 aren’t working together I’m sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, NextYearBill said: so is it true? WTF is wrong with you Goodwin playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 49 minutes ago, TFord and TRavs said: Instagram with Goodwin dunking. Isn’t bad news but then again slu media and slu title 9 aren’t working together I’m sure I’m not calling you a liar, but I just did a quick check and didn’t see it. Not sure which account you’re talking about though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikens747 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, DeSmetBilliken said: I’m not calling you a liar, but I just did a quick check and didn’t see it. Not sure which account you’re talking about though. Instagram stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I don't think our athletic department has any clue what's going on with the investigation. That should be proven by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I see JB getting hot this half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, billikens747 said: Instagram stories. Thanks. I didn’t see that. Could be something, or could be nothing. With that said, I saw promo stuff including the S2 4 deleted from Twitter shortly after the initial news breaking back in the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Goodwin is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, slufan13 said: I don't think our athletic department has any clue what's going on with the investigation. That should be proven by now who does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 7:47 PM, JMM28 said: Bernie isn’t covering SLU because he has this distorted view that he should be wined, dined, and sixty nined by whoever the coach is. He’s largely irrelevant at this point anyways. Bernie set to join the Athletic. Big question is do people care enough after almost three years to pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Bernie’s been hired to write on the Cardinals primarily. I’ve already tweeted at The Athletic they should get Ben W or Brian H to cover SLU. Unlikely but worth helping get their names out there. The Athletic does have a writer that does a weekly A10 piece. This week he focused on walk-ons playing larger roles such as Hines. I’ve enjoyed my subscription so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 -to whoever at SLU reads this, I don't think you should interpret the few recent posts in this thread as any reduction in the collective disgust/embarrassment/anger/resolve of many of us on this board, on your next screw up in this 'investigation' the thread will again get active Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cowboy said: -to whoever at SLU reads this, I don't think you should interpret the few recent posts in this thread as any reduction in the collective disgust/embarrassment/anger/resolve of many of us on this board, on your next screw up in this 'investigation' the thread will again get active Seems like SLU's tactic to draw things out is going according to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/10/2018 at 6:52 PM, TFord and TRavs said: Instagram with Goodwin dunking. Isn’t bad news but then again slu media and slu title 9 aren’t working together I’m sure you 'bad post'ed me ?!?!?!?!? you just declared war on the wrong dude..... billikenfan05 and Littlebill like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slufan13 Posted February 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Cowboy said: -to whoever at SLU reads this, I don't think you should interpret the few recent posts in this thread as any reduction in the collective disgust/embarrassment/anger/resolve of many of us on this board, on your next screw up in this 'investigation' the thread will again get active The SLU Title IX people have killed my spirit. My life centered around Billiken basketball for so long. Now I haven't been to a game since late November, I only watch games if I have nothing else to do, and I'm even past the point of being upset/interested in this situation. The school botched this situation in so many ways. The 60 day investigation taking 120 days despite having the report after ~90 days. Moving the kids back on campus only to move them out a few days later. The athletic department featuring all the players in a tweet for the first time all season only for them not to play in any games and then an insanely harsh and ridiculous punishment to come down. Now we are well past the appeal process deadline and there is no decision or finality in sight. Pestello has been a coward, the Title IX office has shown zero ability to operate while Kratky is on maternity leave which is a knock on both the Title IX people and Kratky herself. A hearing officer who would qualify as the exact opposite of "free from perceived biases". A biased survey which was clearly set up to get certain answers filled with misspellings and questions that literally forced you to choose a form of sexual assault that you've been a victim of. It's all a joke now. People can criticize me and others all they want for not coming to games. They can call us fake fans. I don't really care. Anyone who knows me knows that I would have given anything to this program. When I was a student and worked in the athletic department, I would be at the arena before anyone other than the overnight security guards to help get everything set up. I missed Christmases, family events, etc to come to games. I drove 2 hours through an ice storm to watch a Crews coached team lose by 28 at home to George Mason. But this situation has killed my spirit. The Title IX people who are reading this will tell me that the players' decisions killed my spirit but they are wrong. This administration and their handling of this situation killed it. This very same punishment could have come out in November and I would have been pissed off but I also would have rallied around this team and supported them night in and night out. When you add the length of the situation to the complete and utter lack of transparency, combined with the obvious biases and extreme punishments along with the general lack of any kind of common sense and pure lies (survey), the administration has killed my Billiken spirit. I never donated a lot of money (cheap season tix plus a separate cash donation) so maybe my opinion doesn't matter. I don't know that I'll get tickets next year. I feel like I should because Chris May helped me get my job as a thank you for all the work I did for the athletic department as a student, but the idea of supporting the school sounds terrible to me. I know supporting the AD is different, but I just want to see this school's administration fail in so many ways that the only energy I have left to give to this situation is to find a way to make this administration fail. Crews tanked the program but Pestello and this administration burned it to the ground. Ford is the right guy to re-rebuild it but I couldn't blame the guy if he was trying to get as far away as possible from this school. Even if we see a complete reversal or significant reduction in punishments, it won't change how this school handled this situation. Hell, if anything, it will tell me that we could have had minimal punishment from the start and we all could have witnessed a special season. That's the end of my rant. I hope we get a top 4 seed and run through the A10 tournament. But even if we do, I'm afraid that 2 days before the NCAA tournament, the school will decide to make a final decision on the situation and we'll be left without our best player. TRN, NextYearBill, Spoon-Balls and 18 others like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Also I will say that I was able to get in touch with one the players involved in the situation. That player's spirit has also been crushed and they are more concerned with what SLU did to their life than what SLU did to their basketball career. Once we get a little more finality on this situation, I will pass along what he said to me (there's not a ton of huge new information, but definitely some stuff that hasn't been leaked yet). But want to keep it here while the investigation continues to keep everyone out of trouble. If you are really dying to know, you can PM me but I ask that it doesn't get back to the main board. majerus mojo, Spoon-Balls, slufanskip and 1 other like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 slufan13, well stated. I think it sums up the feeling of many of us on this board that it is the handling of this case that is killing the spirit of many of us fans. I don't condone what happened in the dorm room that night, but from that point until this minute, the school has completely mis-handled everything you cited in your message. I'm just sorry that I can't come up with the perfect way to send that message to the Board of Trustees while at the same time supporting the current players and especially the entire coaching staff. The best I could do was to return the donation request I received from the school with a big zero and an explanation of why it was zero. I have been out of school much longer than you and therefore have probably donated quite a bit more than you have, but no more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGSLU Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 44 minutes ago, slufan13 said: Also I will say that I was able to get in touch with one the players involved in the situation. That player's spirit has also been crushed and they are more concerned with what SLU did to their life than what SLU did to their basketball career. Once we get a little more finality on this situation, I will pass along what he said to me (there's not a ton of huge new information, but definitely some stuff that hasn't been leaked yet). But want to keep it here while the investigation continues to keep everyone out of trouble. If you are really dying to know, you can PM me but I ask that it doesn't get back to the main board. Can you share whether the basic facts as relayed on this board are correct? Just one photographer among the group of people involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, NextYearBill said: you 'bad post'ed me ?!?!?!?!? you just declared war on the wrong dude..... Towel me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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