slu72 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Who's he talking about; Gordon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamarete Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, HenryB said: Sure glad to know Mi$$ouri hasn't had any scandal the past several years. Wasnt going to SLU regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 https://t.co/Kg0AZ7GowS i am assuming nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, teamarete said: Wasnt going to SLU regardless. Exactly.... the point being that if he goes to Mi$$ouri it isn't because he is looking for a school that doesn't have issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 17 hours ago, slusam said: The Duke LaCrosse case really starting changing after one of the players had a press conference and pointed out what was really going on. He was a very well spoken and confident young man. If the appeal goes bad I hope the players have a press conference and expose the whole process. That might make it a national issue. In light of what’s going on at Michigan State, which will turn out to make the Penn State scandal seem incredibly small in comparison, I really doubt the national media (ESPN) will touch this. It stands in contrast to the agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilkowsky Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 On January 24, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Sheltiedave said: Please show me the written higher code of conduct the players must follow. As usual, you drool as you type. What you meant to write is as ambassadors for the University, the athletes are prominently public, so their actions and public interactions should reflect the best of the University. Same thing in my opinion. billikenfan05 - When you start calling people names - you have lost the argument. Sad that all you have is name calling. gravilist would have liked to have seen your response. Go over to SLU Talk on stltoday.com. The players are being called thugs over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Tilkowsky up again on Billikens m.com to use his only post of the day. Obsessed doesn’t even begin to describe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Tilkowsky up again on Billikens m.com to use his only post of the day. Obsessed doesn’t even begin to describe him. "Gym, laundry, Bills.com." - Til I mean, show of hands is this is literally the first thing you check in the morning. Guilty. Waking up hoping for good news since Sept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bobby Metzinger said: "Gym, laundry, Bills.com." - Til I mean, show of hands is this is literally the first thing you check in the morning. Guilty. Waking up hoping for good news since Sept. But we actually like the Billikens and aren’t solely here for the troll Bobby Metzinger likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Littlebill said: But we actually like the Billikens and aren’t solely here for the troll True - guess I should utilize the ignore feature. I try not to. I like all of the different takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Tilkowsky said: Same thing in my opinion. billikenfan05 - When you start calling people names - you have lost the argument. Sad that all you have is name calling. gravilist would have liked to have seen your response. Go over to SLU Talk on stltoday.com. The players are being called thugs over there. Yes, by racists who are Mizzou fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 This is not about S2, but it directly refers to the current social and legal climate about issues involving sexual misconduct. Are you aware of the Larry Nassar saga? This guy was a gym Dr. that apparently had sexual misconduct with at least 150 of the girls in the Gym at Michigan State where he was employed. He pleaded guilty and just received a 170 year jail sentence, a life sentence. The president of Michigan State just resigned as a result of this scandal. These are facts and yes the guy was guilty, but I am sure that a review of similar prior cases that pleaded guilty would reveal much more lenient sentences. The current mode in the country is one of close to zero tolerance for sexual misconduct, and for taking the side of the females involved whether the allegation is real or even questionable. I am just saying open your eyes and look around at what is currently happening in this regard around the country and in the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
615Billiken Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Old guy said: This is not about S2, but it directly refers to the current social and legal climate about issues involving sexual misconduct. Are you aware of the Larry Nassar saga? This guy was a gym Dr. that apparently had sexual misconduct with at least 150 of the girls in the Gym at Michigan State where he was employed. He pleaded guilty and just received a 170 year jail sentence, a life sentence. The president of Michigan State just resigned as a result of this scandal. These are facts and yes the guy was guilty, but I am sure that a review of similar prior cases that pleaded guilty would reveal much more lenient sentences. The current mode in the country is one of close to zero tolerance for sexual misconduct, and for taking the side of the females involved whether the allegation is real or even questionable. I am just saying open your eyes and look around at what is currently happening in this regard around the country and in the news. Respectfully to you @Old guy, The Larry Nassar case is the absolute worst case to try to bring in to this conversation. That case is one of child molestation and child pornography. That guy deserves everything he got, and I think though the word 'sexual' might be an overlap between the two cases, they are worlds apart. dlarry likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 -please, let's get this over with very soon in a fair and equitable manner that doesn't kill/inflict more damage on our school and bball program, I guess I am praying with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffinMH Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Old guy said: This is not about S2, but it directly refers to the current social and legal climate about issues involving sexual misconduct. Are you aware of the Larry Nassar saga? This guy was a gym Dr. that apparently had sexual misconduct with at least 150 of the girls in the Gym at Michigan State where he was employed. He pleaded guilty and just received a 170 year jail sentence, a life sentence. The president of Michigan State just resigned as a result of this scandal. These are facts and yes the guy was guilty, but I am sure that a review of similar prior cases that pleaded guilty would reveal much more lenient sentences. The current mode in the country is one of close to zero tolerance for sexual misconduct, and for taking the side of the females involved whether the allegation is real or even questionable. I am just saying open your eyes and look around at what is currently happening in this regard around the country and in the news. I tried to explain the same in the same sort of way. It is a shame because innocent people get swept up in the current climate revolving around sexual misconduct. I am sure SLU has legal exposure on its mind, especially from women's rights groups. Not to mention boycotts. Mothers and Fathers want to send their children to schools where this sort of activity is not tolerated and it is reflected in the way this whole situation was managed. The best way to avoid these types of allegations is not to pursue these activities. Hypersensitivity is always dangerous ground in some way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, SLU_Nick said: https://t.co/Kg0AZ7GowS i am assuming nothing new. There may be no team in the country dealing with as much distraction as Saint Louis. Following allegations of a sexual assault in September, there has been an on-campus investigation and a police investigation involving the conduct of four players. It’s not over yet, but the end is in sight. St. Louis attorney Scott Rosenblum said at a news conference late last week that after findings from a Title IX probe into the alleged assault by four players against three women, the university had suspended three players – for periods ranging from 18 to 24 months – and decided to expel the fourth. The penalties won't go into effect until after the appeals process is complete, and Rosenblum said by phone on Tuesday that an appeal had been filed. According to protocols, a three-person panel of faculty and staff will review the appeal, and its determination will be rendered in 10 business days. Any appeal must have a basis, meaning an irregularity in how the investigation was conducted or new information that wasn’t available at the time the investigation was conducted. “We’re doing the appeal,” said Rosenblum, who represents the three players who received suspensions. “I’m not going to get into the basis for it publicly.” None of the players has ever been named by the university or second-year coach Travis Ford, and Rosenblum did not identify the players he is representing. The only response from the university was this Friday statement: “Saint Louis University has followed its Title IX process throughout this investigation. At this time, the Hearing Officer’s findings and decisions have been communicated individually to each of the parties. However, the Title IX process is not complete. Each of the parties has the right to appeal the decision(s) of the Hearing Officer. The University will have no additional comment at this time.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that at least one of the accused (and who faces a suspension) has been playing for the team throughout the season. The Post-Dispatch also reported last week that three players used ‘Free the 3’ in a social media post last week and later took it down. On Tuesday night, during St. Louis' 75-74 overtime loss to VCU at home, there was the occasional chant of “Free the 3” in the crowd. Three players – Ty Graves, Adonys Henriquez and Jermaine Bishop – have practiced and traveled with the team most of the season but none have been at an arena, home or away, for a Billikens game. SLU (10-11, 3-5) has at least had some encouraging moments on the court this season. Heralded 6-3 freshman guard Jordan Goodwin had a triple-double in last Wednesday’s win over Duquesne – 13 points, 15 rebounds and 10 assists – and followed that with consecutive double-doubles in points and rebounds. Michigan State transfer Javon Bess, a 6-6 junior guard, is leading the team in scoring with a 13.1 average. And though the team has only had eight available scholarship players, it has been a tough out, dropping A10 games to Rhode Island by seven, George Mason by five and Davidson by 3. After a road win against UMass on Sunday, Ford said the only thing the Billikens could do with things swirling was “to get lost in our process of getting better each day. Get lost in trying to prepare for the next game. Lose yourself between the lines and focus on the gamewe love and the things you can control.” Goodwin told the Post-Dispatch, “A lot has been going on, but we have to stay focused on what we have to do. We're still trying to win games.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills73 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, JeffinMH said: I tried to explain the same in the same sort of way. It is a shame because innocent people get swept up in the current climate revolving around sexual misconduct. I am sure SLU has legal exposure on its mind, especially from women's rights groups. Not to mention boycotts. Mothers and Fathers want to send their children to schools where this sort of activity is not tolerated and it is reflected in the way this whole situation was managed. The best way to avoid these types of allegations is not to pursue these activities. Hypersensitivity is always dangerous ground in some way or another. "this sort of activity'???? WTF are you talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
615Billiken Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, JeffinMH said: I tried to explain the same in the same sort of way. It is a shame because innocent people get swept up in the current climate revolving around sexual misconduct. I am sure SLU has legal exposure on its mind, especially from women's rights groups. Not to mention boycotts. Mothers and Fathers want to send their children to schools where this sort of activity is not tolerated and it is reflected in the way this whole situation was managed. The best way to avoid these types of allegations is not to pursue these activities. Hypersensitivity is always dangerous ground in some way or another. Can we not give credence to the Larry Nassar case having anything to do with that happened on campus. Yes, currently cultural forces played a part in S2 decision, I'm sure. Larry Nassar case is totally different, is a horrible horrible case, and we should not be in any way associating it with S2 or the culture of not giving due process of those accused of sexual assault. Justice was rightly served in the Nassar case, and I think we can make a clear distinction between a pedophile who used his position to molest young girls and viewed child pronography and S2. They are in separate spheres and any way of trying to bring up the Nassar case as shining any light on the forces at work in S2 decision are misguided and frankly, make the board look like a parody to outsiders/administrators/journalists who might read the board to follow what is going on. Please, let's not go here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyser soze Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Has anyone had the privilege of attending a "Protecting God's Children" class that is required, besides a background check, to volunteer and coach in the Arch Dioceses? What I took away from part of that is if any parent encounters or learns of some type of assault/event they are immediately to go to the civil authorities.. What needs to take place at Universities across the fruited plain is that God Forbid something happen at a University, GO TO THE EFFING POLICE...... Let CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS handle POTENTIAL CRIMINAL actions. DO not allow "Safe Place" specialists to handle potential CRIMINAL ACTIONS.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGSLU Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 One thing seems clear given the current climate, Title IX cases are, and will likely continue to be, rampant among the educational institutions. With regard to recruiting, then, it seems foolish for athletes to write off a particular school merely because there is a "situation." If a school doesn't already have a situation, it likely will. What varies is how the particular school handles the process. If the facts are as have been relayed on this Board are correct-- consensual sexual relations among consenting adults (i.e., over 18) then the only real issue seems to be recording and posting of the activity. If all parties involved consented to the actions, it makes absolutely no sense to hold the male participants in a different light than the females. Whoever recorded and posted the actions appears to have some broadened culpability-- at least on the surface. Who knows what the real facts are in this case, but as relayed here, the decision and whole process makes no sense. If the consensual aspect is correct as among the parties, isn't pursuing action against only the males some prima facia discriminatory process? At the administrative level this may stand but I don't see how a real court and judge can see this process as a fair process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffinMH Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, GoBills73 said: "this sort of activity'???? WTF are you talking about. If you don't know then I am not the one to explain it. Go ask your parents, any older brother, somebody... Actually nevermind...don't trouble yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills73 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, JeffinMH said: If you don't know then I am not the one to explain it. Go ask your parents, any older brother, somebody... Actually nevermind...don't trouble yourself... Please. You're a joke. 'This sort of activity' being consensual sex among adults on a college campus? Oh the horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, TGSLU said: One thing seems clear given the current climate, Title IX cases are, and will likely continue to be, rampant among the educational institutions. With regard to recruiting, then, it seems foolish for athletes to write off a particular school merely because there is a "situation." If a school doesn't already have a situation, it likely will. What varies is how the particular school handles the process. If the facts are as have been relayed on this Board are correct-- consensual sexual relations among consenting adults (i.e., over 18) then the only real issue seems to be recording and posting of the activity. If all parties involved consented to the actions, it makes absolutely no sense to hold the male participants in a different light than the females. Whoever recorded and posted the actions appears to have some broadened culpability-- at least on the surface. Who knows what the real facts are in this case, but as relayed here, the decision and whole process makes no sense. If the consensual aspect is correct as among the parties, isn't pursuing action against only the males some prima facia discriminatory process? At the administrative level this may stand but I don't see how a real court and judge can see this process as a fair process. however the irony of the recording is that without it, if the girl(s) have the same remorse they showed in this instance and it would become a full out he said she said case, the players would wrongfully be sitting in a cell awaiting their wrongful criminal trial. i think the fact one of the players made such a recording and temporarily released it on social media is despicable. but in this instance it might have saved the players from an even worse fate. when this is all over, the remorseful wrongful accusations are going to be the real crime and i would bet nothing beyond a lifetime of guilt for ruining 3 (maybe 4) young men's lives will become of that act. i understand the need to punish the videographer, but that is a tough fate to accept considering the real bad of the lying young lady. GoBills73 and dlarry like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 42 minutes ago, JeffinMH said: Mothers and Fathers want to send their children to schools where this sort of activity is not tolerated... Then mothers and fathers should probably homeschool their kids for college. Consensual sex between young adults is generally tolerated at an overwhelming majority of the colleges and universities in the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravilst Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, keyser soze said: Has anyone had the privilege of attending a "Protecting God's Children" class that is required, besides a background check, to volunteer and coach in the Arch Dioceses? What I took away from part of that is if any parent encounters or learns of some type of assault/event they are immediately to go to the civil authorities.. What needs to take place at Universities across the fruited plain is that God Forbid something happen at a University, GO TO THE EFFING POLICE...... Let CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS handle POTENTIAL CRIMINAL actions. DO not allow "Safe Place" specialists to handle potential CRIMINAL ACTIONS.... Had to take this course to volunteer at my daughter's school. Did you have to watch that creepy video as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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