SLU_Nick Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 So these punishments were decided by one person right? An anonymous person? (I really don’t know and would like someone to inform me) isnt it still possible that the 3 person tribal appeal council lightens up a bit? (Especially Goodwin) I think if Goodwin stays we can avoid absolute destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Why would Goodwin want to stay at a place he will be suing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgtholt88 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 It’s over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 What if the appeal happens and it changes. Hence my question about whether or not this was one person’s punishment or if SLU got in a room and decided this collectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I’d say really only chance is that if his suspension is lightened to one year. If that happens he MIGHT stay, as that would be the same length to sit out for a transfer. The thought did cross my mind that the initial punishments were intentionally too harsh just so that they could lighten them a bit on appeal in an effort to appease everyone. That’s the type of šhit SLU would try to pull. With that said, I find it hard to even hope for the above scenario. Why should JGood even consider staying at this point? None of these young men did anything wrong, and they were thrown under the bus because white girl’s daddy would’ve rather ruin their lives than face the embarrassment of people knowing she engaged in sexual activity with black men. The ONLY result on appeal that would change my mind about SLU is if all of them are changed to time served. But that won’t happen in a 13 day appeal process. Absolutely no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Mitchell and willie were initially suspended for a year. After the appeal they were invited to apply for readmission. Hopefully, there is some additional data that can be presented, even if just to give three people a chance to rethink this profoundly over the top suspension . i would hope a Catholic institution can find a pathway for restorative justice rather than just kicking these young men to the curb. What should a Jesuit do. JUG!! rgbilliken and kcinstl like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechee89 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 If God can forgive in an instant, why can't the University? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Basketbill said: Mitchell and willie were initially suspended for a year. After the appeal they were invited to apply for readmission. That wasn't a title IX investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Could Goodwin head to a JUCO, play next year, and then come back and play right away or would he still need to sit out a transfer year? I know he couldn't do that with a D1 school but wasn't sure about junior college route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Why would he want to do that after the way he was treated. After the three sue SLU they need to use a civil suit go after those who wanted this to continue. Seems like the 3 had little on their side with the school. Everything was in favor of the accuser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 woke up to this..... I'm done guys. its all over..... goodbye French, goodbye Gordon, goodbye Ford.... its all over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 It's really insane the standards and punishments we hold college kids to while allowing people like Trump and Greitens to occupy the highest offices in the land with their bad behavior unchecked. I don't know what happened, but I find it hard to believe all of them deserved to get shipped. It's like they're being overpunished for all the sins of everyone who got away with worse. waldo027, almaman, rgbilliken and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The more I think about what happened here the more frustrated I get. I have a daughter in college and if she participated in something like this I would expect her to take personal responsibility for her actions. Not destroy the reputation of the boys because she regretted her actions. I have son who is getting ready to go to college. I am really concerned about him being falsely accused of some type of sexual incident on a college campus. The male is automatically guilty and has his reputation destroyed. I sent Pestallo an email and let him know he was considering going to SLU but I wouldn't let him within miles of the SLU campus. Something needs to be done to help the 4 out and stop what is happening to males on college campuses. I don't know what it is but I do know nothing will change if we don't have our voices heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon-Balls Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 4 hours ago, SLU_Nick said: So these punishments were decided by one person right? An anonymous person? (I really don’t know and would like someone to inform me) isnt it still possible that the 3 person tribal appeal council lightens up a bit? (Especially Goodwin) I think if Goodwin stays we can avoid absolute destruction. Yes, the hearing officer that’s appointed for these cases is (believe it or not) a tenured professor. The HO for the SLU swimmer who was suspended for a year (but was then subsequently cleared and won a lawsuit against SLU) was a gender studies professor.... #GoldStandard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravilst Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, slusam said: The more I think about what happened here the more frustrated I get. I have a daughter in college and if she participated in something like this I would expect her to take personal responsibility for her actions. Not destroy the reputation of the boys because she regretted her actions. I have son who is getting ready to go to college. I am really concerned about him being falsely accused of some type of sexual incident on a college campus. The male is automatically guilty and has his reputation destroyed. I sent Pestallo an email and let him know he was considering going to SLU but I wouldn't let him within miles of the SLU campus. Something needs to be done to help the 4 out and stop what is happening to males on college campuses. I don't know what it is but I do know nothing will change if we don't have our voices heard. It seems first step is collectively voicing concerns to the board, ask for pestello' s removal per incompetence, same for Chris may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken82 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, gravilst said: It seems first step is collectively voicing concerns to the board, ask for pestello' s removal per incompetence, same for Chris may. While I completely agree that the removal of Pestello and May are necessary, flows downhill directly from the top. With that said, I also feel that new leadership of the Board itself and possibly a shakeup of numerous members is also warranted. Spoon-Balls likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Duff Man said: It's really insane the standards and punishments we hold college kids to while allowing people like Trump and Greitens to occupy the highest offices in the land with their bad behavior unchecked. I don't know what happened, but I find it hard to believe all of them deserved to get shipped. It's like they're being overpunished for all the sins of everyone who got away with worse. You forgot to mention, JFK, Teddy K., G Hart, Bill Clinton. Al F. and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, bauman said: You forgot to mention, JFK, Teddy K., G Hart, Bill Clinton. Al F. and so on. JFK was shot in the head. Teddy never got to be POTUS. Gary Hart had his political career ruined. Bill Clinton was impeached by the House, but ultimately his punishment was staying married to Hillary Al Franken was left hanging out to dry by his own party None of them are currently holding office. waldo027 and Pelican like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo027 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 55 minutes ago, bauman said: You forgot to mention, JFK, Teddy K., G Hart, Bill Clinton. Al F. and so on. Al Franken resigned over the accusations made against him. The Democrats might lose a Senate seat due to it. "Oh yeah, but what about JFK?" is a interesting defense of Trump. Do you believe President Trump should resign over his many, and very severe, sexual misconduct allegations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonball18 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) This is a case if a snow flake little white chick who was afraid her white daddy may not like the fact that she wanted some black ×@$& so she decided she was a victim and the school has no guts to defend a male athlete in this hyper-sensitive time in history where young adults need a "safe place" to curl into the fetal position when someone looks at them wrong. This "officer" and this school have set themselves up for millions of $$ worth of litigation, lost profits, and donations all in the name of political correctness. The rich daddy cant donate as much as these idiots have cost this school. They will lose 1000 times over if not more. THIS is why they need to be replaced---because they are idiots. Edited January 20, 2018 by Spoonball18 Spelling dlarry and Spoon-Balls like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, waldo027 said: Al Franken resigned over the accusations made against him. The Democrats might lose a Senate seat due to it. "Oh yeah, but what about JFK?" is a interesting defense of Trump. Do you believe President Trump should resign over his many, and very severe, sexual misconduct allegations? Please just stop. Do we have to have politics creep into everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, NextYearBill said: woke up to this..... I'm done guys. its all over..... goodbye French, goodbye Gordon, goodbye Ford.... its all over It's not really all over. We have a season to finish. Then, Ford has recruiting to do. Then, we have another seasons of basketball the next year. The circle will not be unbroken. The appeals process will be a dog and pony show. Rosenblum will sue and win. If Ford can get things back under control, the team should recover in two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Lax Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, HoosierBilliken said: It's not really all over. We have a season to finish. Then, Ford has recruiting to do. Then, we have another seasons of basketball the next year. The circle will not be unbroken. The appeals process will be a dog and pony show. Rosenblum will sue and win. If Ford can get things back under control, the team should recover in two years. After this season ends, we will only have French and JJ returning from those playing. Santos will become eligible. Hopefully we keep 1-2 of our current recruits. Ford has 8+ scholarships to fill. Ponder that for a while. If Ford stays, next year will be his fourth losing season in a row. The year after will be his fifth. This decision has poisoned the well for local recruiting. Lets see how well Ford can recruit while he is carrying the stigma of 5 losing seasons in a row. Not too mention the Athletic Department will be losing our old NCAA credits and donors can’t be that enthused (so I imagine the Athletic budget will be shrinking). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, SLU_Lax said: After this season ends, we will only have French and JJ returning from those playing. Santos will become eligible. Hopefully we keep 1-2 of our current recruits. Ford has 8+ scholarships to fill. Ponder that for a while. There's a pretty good chance that Bess and Foreman come back also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, David King said: There's a pretty good chance that Bess and Foreman come back also. In the heat of the moment people tend to think worst-case scenario...yes, there is a chance Bess and Foreman leave. Knowing Fords recruiting prowess I think they’ll stay. David King likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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