Spoon-Balls Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Billy Ken said: I think lack of a plan across the whole department is the problem why the place is in the position it is as of today. Unless a big donor says hire this guy Mr. AD and tells him what to do history is doomed to repeat itself is my fear. Question is who is available at this point that isn't older or interested? Maybe a MLS assistant? That's why it's gotta be an assistant coach is my opinion. And Fred and the Board of Trustees gave May a 5 year contract extension! Mind boggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Spoon-Balls said: And Fred and the Board of Trustees gave May a 5 year contract extension! Mind boggling. The path of least resistance has been the SLU athletics calling card since I can remember. "May is here, he knows how to do a mediocre job, whatever lets keep him. It would be hard to hire someone else." Its like Eeyore is running the school. It was the same reason that Jim Crews was hired full time. Soderberg was hired the same way. The Majerus hire was the only hire ever that was a "Wow. They took their dick out and waved it around" move, and that was set in motion by Chaifetz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Spoon-Balls said: And Fred and the Board of Trustees gave May a 5 year contract extension! Mind boggling. Really? That is insane, no wonder. Chris May is the Marvin Lewis of college ADs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilkowsky Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The job isn't that good anymore. The roster is devoid of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Tilkowsky said: The job isn't that good anymore. The roster is devoid of talent. No smart person picks a stock based upon past performance. Current roster means nothing. It’s all about the future of the program. Every coach wants their own guys. My concern is that administration support, or lack thereof, is the problem. QUAILMAN likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 13 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: No smart person picks a stock based upon past performance. Current roster means nothing. It’s all about the future of the program. Every coach wants their own guys. My concern is that administration support, or lack thereof, is the problem. Very well said. I can say one of the candidates who turned the job down said it wasn't salary. Plus the people you work with in the building makes or breaks any job. I'm starting to think McGinty did a lot better of a job with what he was given. Not saying I agreed with his coaching style but just saying it wasn't all his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Billy Ken said: Very well said. I can say one of the candidates who turned the job down said it wasn't salary. Plus the people you work with in the building makes or breaks any job. I'm starting to think McGinty did a lot better of a job with what he was given. Not saying I agreed with his coaching style but just saying it wasn't all his fault. Not sure I'd go that far. Instead, good coaches are able to make their team exceed expectations and play better as a team than they are as individual talent. Good coaches also can and do bring in talent better than the program deserves. This year's win over Stanford was shocking good! but McGinty's record in the A10 these past 6 years shows an underperforming team. Now, would McGinty have done better with more support of the program (from facilities to assistant coach budget to travel budget, etc. ? Sure. But SLU needs to get a good, young soccer mind who can turn this program into a winner again and bring excitement. No excitement under Donnigan and McGinty. Then, SLU will be faced with whether or not they can keep this coach, or attract other good coaches to sustain the success, without making a real and serious commitment to the soccer program. We all know the commitment to the program is a problem and that top, big names are not all that interested based upon the salary offered. Now, if SLU doubles the salary offered and throws money at a bigger name, then maybe. But SLU is way past its time to have a successful capital campaign for all of its sports programs. When highschool facilities are equal or superior (I am thinking baseball, softball, volleyball, men's & women's soccer) then there is a problem. For instance, high school aged soccer kids (club team and high school team) can and do practice on both grass and artificial turf depending upon the weather and the upcoming matches. Fr. Biondi promised a Top 50 program but held off delivering a corresponding "on campus" arena (with the help of Civic Progress which is why we rented w Kiel all those years) until after we fell down to the A10, after Civic Progress disappeared and after we went cheap on our head coach (Brad). Had it not been for Dr. C and Novelly, we still would not have the facilities and RM would not have been our coach. With the other sports, we got lucky with our volleyball coach for awhile but couldn't keep the success after her retirement. We have a great baseball coach but he is where I hope our soccer coach will soon be -- winning on his own and without real administrative commitment and wondering how long we can keep him. And if not, we go back to mediocrity like we did with volleyball. A real capital campaign needs to happen. Our facilities need upgrading across the board, our sports need to be fully funded from scholarship perspectives, our teams need to travel at least once a year by charter flight to the East Coast/A10 venues. If this is done, even I can hire good head coaches as positions become available ... and conferences like the Big East will change their views on SLU as I suggest we are no longer on their radar. Billy Ken and kappy96 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: Not sure I'd go that far. Instead, good coaches are able to make their team exceed expectations and play better as a team than they are as individual talent. Good coaches also can and do bring in talent better than the program deserves. This year's win over Stanford was shocking good! but McGinty's record in the A10 these past 6 years shows an underperforming team. Now, would McGinty have done better with more support of the program (from facilities to assistant coach budget to travel budget, etc. ? Sure. But SLU needs to get a good, young soccer mind who can turn this program into a winner again and bring excitement. No excitement under Donnigan and McGinty. Then, SLU will be faced with whether or not they can keep this coach, or attract other good coaches to sustain the success, without making a real and serious commitment to the soccer program. We all know the commitment to the program is a problem and that top, big names are not all that interested based upon the salary offered. Now, if SLU doubles the salary offered and throws money at a bigger name, then maybe. But SLU is way past its time to have a successful capital campaign for all of its sports programs. When highschool facilities are equal or superior (I am thinking baseball, softball, volleyball, men's & women's soccer) then there is a problem. For instance, high school aged soccer kids (club team and high school team) can and do practice on both grass and artificial turf depending upon the weather and the upcoming matches. Fr. Biondi promised a Top 50 program but held off delivering a corresponding "on campus" arena (with the help of Civic Progress which is why we rented w Kiel all those years) until after we fell down to the A10, after Civic Progress disappeared and after we went cheap on our head coach (Brad). Had it not been for Dr. C and Novelly, we still would not have the facilities and RM would not have been our coach. With the other sports, we got lucky with our volleyball coach for awhile but couldn't keep the success after her retirement. We have a great baseball coach but he is where I hope our soccer coach will soon be -- winning on his own and without real administrative commitment and wondering how long we can keep him. And if not, we go back to mediocrity like we did with volleyball. A real capital campaign needs to happen. Our facilities need upgrading across the board, our sports need to be fully funded from scholarship perspectives, our teams need to travel at least once a year by charter flight to the East Coast/A10 venues. If this is done, even I can hire good head coaches as positions become available ... and conferences like the Big East will change their views on SLU as I suggest we are no longer on their radar. Sums it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 We need a poll. Which comes first, soccer coach or S2 decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenHudDude Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I would say they both come on the same day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 9:09 PM, billikenfan05 said: Actually hearing there are two candidates. A current asst at a power 5 school and a head coach at a traditional soccer power Anything more?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, Clock_Tower said: Anything more?? Rumor is that someone has accepted the position. I don’t want to throw the name I heard out on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, billikenfan05 said: Rumor is that someone has accepted the position. I don’t want to throw the name I heard out on the board. Is it a name most of us would know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon-Balls Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/13/2018 at 6:48 PM, CenHudDude said: I would say they both come on the same day. As part of a ploy by Chris May to bring back all of the boosters/donors that he's lost in the past 4 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, DeSmetBilliken said: Is it a name most of us would know? Yeah DeSmetBilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon-Balls Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, billikenfan05 said: Yeah Your initial reaction on the hire... Good? Bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Spoon-Balls said: Your initial reaction on the hire... Good? Bad? If the rumor is true? I think it’s a great fit, especially long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: If the rumor is true? I think it’s a great fit, especially long term TrollPants accepted the job? The self-proclaimed most knowledgeable soccer authority in the US, will be the Bills next coach. Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 hours ago, HoosierPal said: TrollPants accepted the job? The self-proclaimed most knowledgeable soccer authority in the US, will be the Bills next coach. Awesome! Sorry. Trollpants failed the background test. There is a reason the soccer program let him go as student manager. Slu let the dogs out? and HoosierPal like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: Sorry. Trollpants failed the background test. There is a reason the soccer program let him go as student manager. Is that why he is so bitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: Sorry. Trollpants failed the background test. There is a reason the soccer program let him go as student manager. don't you have to be a student to be a student manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 hours ago, kmbilliken said: Is that why he is so bitter? Verified true. I don't have the full story, but there was something about used jock straps and head bands in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Lax Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Anything happening on the coaching front? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 7 hours ago, SLU_Lax said: Anything happening on the coaching front? I posted earlier regarding a rumor but nothing official has come down. If something happens you won’t have to ask it’ll be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Lax Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 53 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: I posted earlier regarding a rumor but nothing official has come down. If something happens you won’t have to ask it’ll be here. Awesome. Thank you. I am looking forward to some good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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