The Wiz Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Ford has a way of turning programs around............... Campbellsville (NAIA) 1st year....7-26 2nd year....28-3 E Ky 1st year....7-19 Last year....22-9.....after 11 years of sub 500 seasons ...1st NCAA appearance in 25 years UMass !st year......13-16 2nd year....24-9...13-3 A-10...tied for 1st in conf.....NIT OSU...no need to turn it around...many years of post season play which continued under Ford Bottomline...Except for OSU, he has had bad 1st years everywhere There is light at the end of the tunnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachK Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I am not sold on ford. A Jim Cruz team wouldn't have been so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, CoachK said: I am not sold on ford. A Jim Cruz team wouldn't have been so bad. Good to hear from Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachK Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yes Jim would 100% agree ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 1 hour ago, CoachK said: I am not sold on ford. A Jim Cruz team wouldn't have been so bad. It would have been worse. We would have lost to Chicago St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 8 hours ago, moytoy12 said: It would have been worse. We would have lost to Chicago St. True, we scored a bucket off an inbound play yesterday. That wouldn't have happened under Crews. That bucket supplied the margin of victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 10 hours ago, CoachK said: I am not sold on ford. A Jim Cruz team wouldn't have been so bad. That about a Ted Cruz coached team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Inspiring post Wiz thank you I needed that after yesterdays game. It is hard getting my head around that the program has sunk so low to being 2 points better than Chicago State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwyjibo Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 11 hours ago, The Wiz said: Ford has a way of turning programs around............... Campbellsville (NAIA) 1st year....7-26 2nd year....28-3 I think Campbellsville had about 9 more wins that they had to forfeit because of an illegal transfer (who played most games but not all). So there was improvement but not as dramatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Chicago State (as a university) was about a dozen happy meals or so away from not having an operating budget for the entire fiscal year. And we got them on the second night of a back-to-back in which they got beat by Bradley in Peoria on Saturday night. I know this is a throw-away/rebuild year, but we should have beaten them by 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shempie Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I think this is a year that you are going to have to avert your eyes. Ford probably could have re-recruited a couple of the kids that left, kept them here and won 11 or 12 games. Or he could have known that he could recruit over any existing roster player and upgrade the talent if he had scholarships. Honestly, would 11 or 12 wins vs. the 4 to 6 it appears we will win this season have moved the needle? I don't think so. This sucks as a fan but imagine how he must feel when he looks down the bench and sees what the previous regime left us. I guarantee this was all discussed and calculated when he was hired. I don't like what I see on the court and won't for the rest of this season but I put the blame squarely on the previous coaching staff. We have a D2/D3 roster. Look out below when the A10 starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I would not presume that the process of hiring a new coach included heavy discussion and calculation on how to rebuild the team and how to handle any remaining players after the exit of the prior coach. I think it is a lot more likely that they concentrated on the coach candidates and their fit into the program rather than anything else. This is not a negative comment directed to Ford, it is a negative comment directed to the administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 On 12/12/2016 at 8:49 AM, kwyjibo said: I think Campbellsville had about 9 more wins that they had to forfeit because of an illegal transfer (who played most games but not all). So there was improvement but not as dramatic. Calipari, Coach K, Roy Williams, and Pitino are objective evidence that game forfeiture is completely and totally irrelevant. The NCAA is NOT willing to enforce on these programs, so it doesn't matter at all. Just win, baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 On 12/12/2016 at 9:55 AM, Old guy said: I would not presume that the process of hiring a new coach included heavy discussion and calculation on how to rebuild the team and how to handle any remaining players after the exit of the prior coach. I think it is a lot more likely that they concentrated on the coach candidates and their fit into the program rather than anything else. This is not a negative comment directed to Ford, it is a negative comment directed to the administration. Of course it did, Old guy. I doubt Ford understood just how truly bad straits this program is in, but Ford was not recruited because of 'program values' Ford probably intends to move back to a BCS job once he's shown his recruiting prowess again. I'm fine with that, the Billikens will be back in the NCAA tournament and the next coach after Ford will likely have a loaded roster to come in to. Values and all this junk don't matter, AT ALL. Wins matter. Wins and tournament appearances and $$$$$$$$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 So, you are already calculating on a post Ford Billikens team? Wow, you must be a chess player calculating 5 moves in advance. And yes, I agree that Ford will take the Bills back to the dance and fairly soon too. I also agree that this will mean a significant amount of money for the Bills depending on the number of seasons he takes us to the dance and how we do once in it. I like this scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 18 hours ago, Old guy said: So, you are already calculating on a post Ford Billikens team? Wow, you must be a chess player calculating 5 moves in advance. And yes, I agree that Ford will take the Bills back to the dance and fairly soon too. I also agree that this will mean a significant amount of money for the Bills depending on the number of seasons he takes us to the dance and how we do once in it. I like this scenario. just being realistic.. college basketball coaching is a carousel, guys will move on. What if Kentucky or some similar upper rung program comes calling? Ford is probably one of the best recruiters in the country. That will get noticed again as it has in the past. as for your comments about postseason and money.. Hell yes. Same pagr there. I dont believe anyone can turn this around as FAST as Ford can. ill take four NCAA appearances and moving on by TF right now.. or a membership in the Big East and keep him for longer. Billikens need sustained success. Jim Crews has done so much damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 23 hours ago, Soderball said: Of course it did, Old guy. I doubt Ford understood just how truly bad straits this program is in, but Ford was not recruited because of 'program values' Ford probably intends to move back to a BCS job once he's shown his recruiting prowess again. I'm fine with that, the Billikens will be back in the NCAA tournament and the next coach after Ford will likely have a loaded roster to come in to. Values and all this junk don't matter, AT ALL. Wins matter. Wins and tournament appearances and $$$$$$$$$. I will feel better about coach Ford staying a while once I hear he purchased a home in the St. Louis area. Coach Ford has children in school and I think if he is going to settle in he would stick around until his children finish school. In my opinion if coach Ford would not accept all BCS offers and would more likely wait for something he wants before moving again, of course I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Bill Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 1 hour ago, CBFan said: I will feel better about coach Ford staying a while once I hear he purchased a home in the St. Louis area. Coach Ford has children in school and I think if he is going to settle in he would stick around until his children finish school. In my opinion if coach Ford would not accept all BCS offers and would more likely wait for something he wants before moving again, of course I could be wrong. He did purchase a home in St. Louis. It is in Frontenac, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, 3Bill said: He did purchase a home in St. Louis. It is in Frontenac, I believe. He bought Matt Holliday's house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 25 minutes ago, Pistol said: He bought Matt Holliday's house. -really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Cowboy said: -really? Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I heard he bought the house from the former owner of Dirt Cheap in Eureka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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