billiken_roy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Agree on all accounts. Just curious - do you miss Rickma now? no. he insisted it was crews as the coach. he is the one that quit recruiting and creaming his roster annually. last year's seniors, this years senior class and this year's junor class should have been rickma recruits. as i have said over and over and over since rickma came to town, he was a very effective practice and game coach. what i didnt like is the way he treated his players and in particular creamed the roster. i wont comment on this again on this board. bring to a pm if you want to discuss. i dont need acie going ballistic again over his love of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Of course RM quit recruiting effectively for at least the last year he coached the team. How could he have done it?, all you had to do was to watch him during a game in one of the last years. The man was dying and could well have passed away during one of his last games. Of course he had to let some things go just in order to muster whatever was left of him for his last season's games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 RM was dying hind sight clearly tells us that - we all so giddy with the lofty play we were seeing none of us saw it but we should have. As for RM picking Crews as the coach - he may have brought him in with the idea that maybe he would take over during the season if he was unable to complete it but to say he wanted Crews to take over permanently is unsubstantiated. He knew that it was not going to be his decision. The problem was that May has feet of clay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 For a PG to be good, you have to have options for the finishing part of the assist. We don't have that. I still think the greatest, true PG in my SLU history was H Waldman. What made him great? Scott. Erwin. Donnie. David. Carl. Single season record holder? Jim Roder. What made him great? Monroe. Roland. Anthony. Redditt. Career assist leader? Josh Fisher. What made him? Longevity. Four years of starting. His best season will soon drop off the top ten single seasons in assists for SLU. To watch H Waldman play was like watching the ballet or poetry in motion. A half-court, one-bounce bounce pass for a layup by a streaking Scott Highmark. Plus he could shoot the three, rebound, and make free throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 For a PG to be good, you have to have options for the finishing part of the assist. We don't have that. I still think the greatest, true PG in my SLU history was H Waldman. What made him great? Scott. Erwin. Donnie. David. Carl. Single season record holder? Jim Roder. What made him great? Monroe. Roland. Anthony. Redditt. Career assist leader? Josh Fisher. What made him? Longevity. Four years of starting. His best season will soon drop off the top ten single seasons in assists for SLU. To watch H Waldman play was like watching the ballet or poetry in motion. A half-court, one-bounce bounce pass for a layup by a streaking Scott Highmark. Plus he could shoot the three, rebound, and make free throws. That is only part of it. A "good" PG is a leader, can play defense, direct the offense, and make it easier for his teammates to score. I don't think we have a single player that fits that profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Keith Carter would have helped this team immensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 For a PG to be good, you have to have options for the finishing part of the assist. We don't have that. I still think the greatest, true PG in my SLU history was H Waldman. What made him great? Scott. Erwin. Donnie. David. Carl. Single season record holder? Jim Roder. What made him great? Monroe. Roland. Anthony. Redditt. Career assist leader? Josh Fisher. What made him? Longevity. Four years of starting. His best season will soon drop off the top ten single seasons in assists for SLU. To watch H Waldman play was like watching the ballet or poetry in motion. A half-court, one-bounce bounce pass for a layup by a streaking Scott Highmark. Plus he could shoot the three, rebound, and make free throws. I disagree. Crawford and Bartley would benefit greatly having a quality PG to set them up for good 3-point looks. It would also open up a lot more good scoring opportunities for MY and AY. With the absence of somebody to direct the offense, it seems everybody else handles the ball way too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Keith Carter would have helped this team immensely. I agree but Bishop has looked better handling the ball then I expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 -it is news to me that Rick insisted Crews be the coach, yes he brought on him on as assistant after Jensen left in October, but this assertion comes from a person that raised their level of dislike for Rick for an action Rick never did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 We have a good band. Not to pile on here, but even the band sounded terrible Wednesday night. Not that I could really blame them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I've long subscribed to the theory that in the 4 major sports, you absolutely need quality at Football: offensive line Baseball: starting pitching Basketball: point guard Hockey: goalie A point guard needs to be -fearless -capable of creating his own shot -capable of drawing help defenders and finding open teammates -capable of hitting open 3s -adept at navigating full court pressure -solid defensively If you don't have someone to fill this role, you will not be successful against good teams not matter how many other pieces you have. If you don't have at least 2 guys to fill this role, you will be extremely vulnerable (see: the Mo State game when Kwam was out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACKHANDtheRICAN Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Stupid thead imo we don't have good point guards. We don't have good bigs. We don't have good wings. We don't have good coaches. We don't have a good PA announcer. We don't have good concession food and beer. We don't have good cheerleaders. We don't have a good student section. We have a great arena. We have a good band. Other than that it is 1983 again. Agreed. Mods - Please lock this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Agree on all accounts. Just curious - do you miss Rickma now? no. he insisted it was crews as the coach. he is the one that quit recruiting and creaming his roster annually. last year's seniors, this years senior class and this year's junor class should have been rickma recruits. as i have said over and over and over since rickma came to town, he was a very effective practice and game coach. what i didnt like is the way he treated his players and in particular creamed the roster. i wont comment on this again on this board. bring to a pm if you want to discuss. i dont need acie going ballistic again over his love of his life. oh hey roy, you still around here? Thanks for the shout out... what can I say, I like winners - RM and the most successful run in the modern era of SLU hoops. Sure, I loved it. On the other hand, you will always have the memories of your beloved Sodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Again, in the first interview I heard on radio by Frank Cusamano of RM after he was hired our new head coach, RM described his basic philosophy in saying that his most important players on the floor at all times are his 1 and his 4. In hindsight, our best were KM and BC. I fully agree and can honestly say that outside of Bonner, I had never personally watched a really good 4 at SLU - and certainly do not recall a team which centered around our 1 and 4. To all those previously stating that both are needed, I agree. Now, for the sake of discussions on this Board, I would think a PG is more important if you are only allowed one and not both. And yes, KM, JJ and MM would single handedly win us alot of games (and possibly make us a Tourney team) but watching AG, MN and BJ get beat like a drum on defense, I am not that confident especially when we would play the better competition. BC, CE, RL and CR were definitely needed to come up big during key games and/or stretches of games. Unfortunately, our bigs are going to take longer than we want to develop. In the meantime, I say let them develop on the practice floor but not splitting 40 minutes each game. A few more comments: 1. WR has not that good his Freshman year. 2. RL was real soft his Soph year as well as his Frosh year 3. Ian had his breakout year after his Soph year - not before. 4. MM was a combo guard who was a great combo guard but not good at dribble penetration and assists - we had a big drop off after KM graduated. 5. RM cannot be blamed for his lack of recruiting after the Michigan State near miss 6. We are not good but we are better than 1983 7. MB73, check your computer because each time you list the names of our better bigs, you computer inexplicably also list Grandy Glaze. Please get your computer fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booyaa87 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Is the assumption of the thread that Reynolds is not a PG? Or that he sucks as a PG? For what it is worth his ast/to numbers so far are 3.0/1.7. While that isn't a great ratio, it certainly not bad. KM averaged 3.0/2.5 his soph year and MM averaged 2.4/1.3 as a soph. I am not saying ast/to is the only way to measure a PG, but it is usually a good indicator. MR is not as good as KM or MM defensively, but I would say he is average at worst on D. Maybe slightly above average due to his hustle. Steals certain don't reflect how good of an "on ball" or "help" defender you are, but they are important. MR leads the team at 1.7 per game. KM and MM both averaged 1.4 their soph year. I know the stats I have quoted are a small sample size, but to me, MR has looked adequate at worst. Crews has experimented with letting others guys bring it up, but I would say MR has handled the majority of those duties. I'll pay closer attention tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 @Rise and Grind: agree. I didn't go into all aspects only one. Didn't want to write a novel for the disinclined. @Ace: I do not disagree with your second part re: guys who shouldn't handle the ball do. Excellent point and i cringe every time Yarbrough rebounds and dribbles the length of the court. I am not so certain on the first part. I think you are right on both Crawford and Bartley but the sample size makes me question whether or not it can be sustained. For now, it appears so. I don't see either Crawford or Bartley as long term players for D1. I think both, off the bench as snipers ala Carl Turner or Brad Relaford, would work better. Less court time, more and bigger impact. As it is now, we need them on the court more and doing what they do more, which is giving us exactly what we are seeing given a lack of overall team talent/cohesion. Wichita State. More Deaux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Our three players 6'9" or taller have totaled 23 rebounds in 6 games. I'm not sure a point guard is going to solve that problem. More EFFORT is needed on the boards. Reggie, Ash, and Milik all have individually grabbed more boards than the three Tall Blues combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Our three players 6'9" or taller have totaled 23 rebounds in 6 games. I'm not sure a point guard is going to solve that problem. More EFFORT is needed on the boards. Reggie, Ash, and Milik all have individually grabbed more boards than the three Tall Blues combined. i am not going to make excuses for our bigs in that, yes, they need to do alot better, but I am not sure it is because of lack of effort. Instead, they lack weight/size, strength, foot speed and are still adjusting to the pace of the game. Louisville and Moorehead State are hopefully just bad matchups at this point for RA, AG, MN and BJ. Again, stop playing them so much in these situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Louisville and Moorehead State are hopefully just bad matchups at this point for RA, AG, MN and BJ. Again, stop playing them so much in these situations. Ah, not sure what you are suggesting, putting Reggie, Austin, Matt and Brent on the bench means we play - Milik? at the 5? Reggie is our third leading rebounder. I was an undersized '5' in HS. Effort IS the key. Find a body, put your flank in him, hold your position. If you are under muscled/under sized, the refs will see the pushing that moves you out of the way. I find our Tall Blue's simply standing flat footed when a ball is in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Ah, not sure what you are suggesting, putting Reggie, Austin, Matt and Brent on the bench means we play - Milik? at the 5? Reggie is our third leading rebounder. I was an undersized '5' in HS. Effort IS the key. Find a body, put your flank in him, hold your position. If you are under muscled/under sized, the refs will see the pushing that moves you out of the way. I find our Tall Blue's simply standing flat footed when a ball is in the air. I am not saying do not play Reggie, Austin, Matt or Brett at all - instead I am saying to play them less. If we play 5 guards at times, then so be it. If that means Ash and/or Yacoubou, then so much the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A REAL Basketball Player Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 -PG's are easy, good ones must not be since we don't have one I don't know about that we have a few PG who are good now and can get better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 If JJ, KM and MM were here with our current bigs, we'd go dancing. No we wouldn't, because Crews is still the coach. It is relatively pointless to talk about player needs when the problems clearly won't be solved until the current coach is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 No we wouldn't, because Crews is still the coach. It is relatively pointless to talk about player needs when the problems clearly won't be solved until the current coach is gone. Fortunately those players were groomed by Majerus, fortunately the first 2 years Crews did know to leave well enough alone. At the end of the 2nd year you did start to see some cracks (Duq & Dayton games) .This is all Crews show now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Small sample size obviously from the overhauled backcourt, but we're seeing first hand this season how much better/worse a team can play when you do/don't have a legit PG running a coherent offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenboy Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Folks, credit Coach Cheaney and Coach Bronson for the new simplified offense they installed and thanks to JC for stepping back and allowing them to put some life into this sinking ship. As I said a couple days ago, most of these kids can play and would do well at other A10 programs. A player is only as good as the system they are playing in. Still please get rid of Crews because he will undoubtedly get credit if the season somehow looks like we have turned the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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