Billiken75 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 A good point guard is required to win in college hoops. Spoon didn't get us to the Tourney until H. Waldman. Majerus signed Kwamain, McCall, and Carter (who transferred after 1 semester under Crews). This team does not have a pg. (or a legit power forward either). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So what days that say about the staff telling an influential local high school coach that they feel good about their point guard situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Side note- more I think about it, more I miss MM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Side note- more I think about it, more I miss MM. I miss all kinds of players. Remekun, Kyle Cassidy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 PG's are easy, they are all over. BIGS are what matters for mid majors, good ones are tough to find and take longer to develop: Loe, Ellis, Conklin, Evans, Remekun, and Glaze took us to the dance, they were the reason we got to the next level (+ HOF coach Majerus). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 PG's are easy, they are all over. BIGS are what matters for mid majors, good ones are tough to find and take longer to develop: Loe, Ellis, Conklin, Evans, Remekun, took us to the dance, they were the reason we got to the next level. All over? Except St. Louis, Missouri apparently. You can have the best big men in the conference, but if you don't have at least one capable PG - it won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken75 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 When we lost Kwamain for the year - we struggled even with our bigs. College ball is PG-driven. If you don't have that key player to bring the ball up, deliver the ball, distribute the ball - you won't win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 PG's are easy, they are all over. BIGS are what matters for mid majors, good ones are tough to find and take longer to develop: Loe, Ellis, Conklin, Evans, Remekun, and Glaze took us to the dance, they were the reason we got to the next level (+ HOF coach Majerus). Tyus Jones, Shabazz Napier, Peyton Siva. The starting Point Guards for the last 3 national champs. Duke had the best big man in college basketball and they didn't start to dominate until Jones picked up his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 All over? Except St. Louis, Missouri apparently. You can have the best big men in the conference, but if you don't have at least one capable PG - it won't work. The pool for PG's for mid majors is plentiful, trying to find good BIGS is much more difficult. If we had Loe-Ellis-Conk-Evans-Remekun-Glaze our guards would look 1000% better. Think about our history, the last 40 years, all the excellent guards... then RM gets Loe-Ellis-Conk-Evans-Remekun-Glaze and we go to the NCAA's 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 The pool for PG's for mid majors is plentiful, trying to find good BIGS is much more difficult. If we had Loe-Ellis-Conk-Evans-Remekun-Glaze our guards would look 1000% better. Think about our history, the last 40 years, all the excellent guards... then RM gets Loe-Ellis-Conk-Evans-Remekun-Glaze and we go to the NCAA's 3 years. Loe, Ellis, Evans and Conklin benefitted from having POY level guards in their time at SLU. Bonner was arguably the best big man in SLU history. His teams didn't make the NCAA. If your oversimplification is true - why didn't the presence of PF that was a top 25 pick in the NBA draft let SLU sneak in one year as an at large? Or win a conference title in a weak conference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Yes I know about Shabazz et al but in our situation, our level, we need deep, quality BIGS the most to succeed (defined as: get to the dance). Give me a break, what, Kentucky doesn't have great BIGS? Michigan State? Final Four teams don't mostly have good-great / deep BIGS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Loe, Ellis, Evans and Conklin benefitted from having POY level guards in their time at SLU. Bonner was arguably the best big man in SLU history. His teams didn't make the NCAA. If your oversimplification is true - why didn't the presence of PF that was a top 25 pick in the NBA draft let SLU sneak in one year as an at large? Or win a conference title in a weak conference? Nonsense. One BIG? You do not get it. We had 5-6 strong BIGs for 3 years = to the dance. Sure, Kwamain, JJ, and MM were damn good. But if they were here we'd be better but not good enough. If Loe-Ellis-Conk-Evans-Remeken-Glaze were here with our current guards, we go dancing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Nonsense. One BIG? You do not get it. We had 5-6 strong BIGs for 3 years = to the dance. Sure, Kwamain and MM were damn good. But if they were here we'd be better but not good enough. If Loe-Ellis-Conk-Evans-Remeken-Glaze were here with our current guards, we go dancing. If JJ, KM and MM were here with our current bigs, we'd go dancing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 We need bigs and a PG. But we'd be better with a PG because at least we'd get into the flow of the offense here and there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 If JJ, KM and MM were here with our current bigs, we'd go dancing. Really? I disagree. Curious... would we go dancing with our current BIGS with Lisch and Liddell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 PG's are easy, they are all over. BIGS are what matters for mid majors, good ones are tough to find and take longer to develop: Loe, Ellis, Conklin, Evans, Remekun, and Glaze took us to the dance, they were the reason we got to the next level (+ HOF coach Majerus). -PG's are easy, good ones must not be since we don't have one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 If JJ, KM and MM were here with our current bigs, we'd go dancing. If those guys were here with our current lineup of bigs, they'd all transfer. Our inside game is pitiful, weak, pathetic, and untalented. I do agree with the original poster that a legit PG would be nice to have, but a five star PG couldn't fix with what we've got going for us on the inside. We got out boarded last night by a team whose tallest starter was 6'7". The board ratio against UL was 2.5/1. We've got three guys at six eleven and Reggie I Don't Know What The Hell I'm Doing who couldn't out rebound a munchkin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Really? I disagree. Curious... would we go dancing with our current BIGS with Lisch and Liddell? Neither was a point guard. Put JJ, MM, or KM on their sophomore team with Ian...... That is a tournament team competing for a conference title. That team won 20 games with a really bad front court outside of Ian. That team was stuck with an awful Polk at point guard and it cost Brad his job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Those three Tournament teams were relatively small in the frontcourt. Remekun always gave inches and Loe was a perimeter player who people complained about because he wasn't a banger, especially early on. Ellis was a stretch 4. Manning and Glaze were not very effective bigs. Evans was the right size when he got to play a 3 but was an undersized 4. Conklin was a pure power forward, but he's the only guy of the bunch who both played his natural position all the time and was effective. Everyone else was one or the other out of the frontcourt players in those years. Mitchell, McCall, and Jett were indispensable. But honestly, this is kind of a false choice: why can't we have both good guards and good bigs? Certainly 13 scholarships allows for that. The recent national champions have been very talented in both the front and backcourts. Our Tournament teams had bigs that managed to be effective in their roles, true point guards, and players who could step up and make big plays at all positions - whether Loe, Conklin, McCall, Mitchell, Jett, Evans - all are responsible for some really crucial wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Neither was a point guard. Put JJ, MM, or KM on their sophomore team with Ian...... That is a tournament team competing for a conference title. That team won 20 games with a really bad front court outside of Ian. That team was stuck with an awful Polk at point guard and it cost Brad his job Exactly. I was saying that at the time. A big part of Sodie's downfall was his inability to land a quality PG. I actually think if you put KM on this team, it instantly becomes pretty good, even with an obvious weakness at the 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It may not be all about the PG. But i know for certain that you can't win with a team composed of no true bigs, a plethora of wing players, and a couple below average combo guards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It may not be all about the PG. But i know for certain that you can't win with a team composed of no true bigs, a plethora of wing players, and a couple below average combo guards. It's true. The argument is about which one is more important - point guards or bigs - but it's irrelevant because we have neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Stupid thead imo we don't have good point guards. We don't have good bigs. We don't have good wings. We don't have good coaches. We don't have a good PA announcer. We don't have good concession food and beer. We don't have good cheerleaders. We don't have a good student section. We have a great arena. We have a good band. Other than that it is 1983 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 All you need is serviceable bigs who can carry their own and solid PGs. Our bigs are below average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken75 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Stupid thead imo we don't have good point guards. We don't have good bigs. We don't have good wings. We don't have good coaches. We don't have a good PA announcer. We don't have good concession food and beer. We don't have good cheerleaders. We don't have a good student section. We have a great arena. We have a good band. Other than that it is 1983 again. Agree on all accounts. Just curious - do you miss Rickma now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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