Taj79 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Cannot and will not root for gimmick. Frankly, I don't see how Dayton stays with them but I expected Dayton to crash a long time ago and that didn't happen. Watch today be the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 My two least favorite A10 teams. I guess I dislike Dayton a little less (and its a catholic school) so I'll root for them and hope VCU goes 0-3 in the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I hate Dayton but respect what they've done this year and last tourney. Go Dayton Flyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Hate SVU fans but I grown fond of Archie. His Final 8 last year, how he handled suspensions and this year putting together a nice season with just 7 scholarship players. Think he really good coach and could be better then his brother. Also, thought he was short changed on COY honors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken class of 15 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I'm just glad Dayton beat Rhode Island. It would've been hard to root for anyone if it were Shaka vs. Dan Hurley for the conference title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I'm pulling for Dayton too. Don't know how they've done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Didn't realize it until today, but Shaka was once Dayton's director of basketball operations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Rooting for Dayton. I would to see VCU'S streak of not winning any A10 title (reg season and tourn) alive. Plus their fans are more annoying on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Hate SVU fans but I grown fond of Archie. His Final 8 last year, how he handled suspensions and this year putting together a nice season with just 7 scholarship players. Think he really good coach and could be better then his brother. Also, thought he was short changed on COY honors. Archie winning as much as possible this year means maybe he will leave for greener pastures. Then Dayton can go back to having coaches again like Purnell and Gregory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbj14 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Last year I had the pleasure of getting to meet Archie when they played out in Maui. As a SLU fan it is difficult to admit, but the passion he has for his program is infectious and he will be a high-major coach soon. I'll be rooting for Dayton today mainly because of Archie, but also because the narrative of VCU in A10 tournaments is comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 VCU has lit it up from 3 in this tournament. They're a scary team when they knock down shots like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Archie winning as much as possible this year means maybe he will leave for greener pastures. Then Dayton can go back to having ###### coaches again like Purnell and Gregory. Both are available. BTW, good championship game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 VCU with the win. Breaks VCU's never won A10 streak but keeps alive Dayton's streak of never winning a conference tourney outside their home floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 VCU's frosh sure look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 VCU's frosh sure look good.As we get better so will everyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 How did their first year players improve so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 First off, their recrutis are much higher rated than ours, if you believe that kind of stuff. Melvin Johnson was a four-star recruit. Lewis 3.3 stars. Brooks 3. Burgess 4. Of the current freshmen, Williams was a 3. Larrier 4. Tillman 3.7 and Gilmore 3.3. The higest guy on our entire roster is Yacoubou at 3.3. Mack and Williams, two guys coming in for Shaka next year, are four-star recruits. Conversely, both Welmer and Neufeld are two-star recrutis. Sure, let the bashing begin. Let the usual naysayers point out that these recruting rankings are all subjective, about how kids that sign with us are automatically downgraded because of that signing. I don't have a counter argument. It just is what it is. It could be right, it could be wrong. You can win with these lower ranked recruits as Majerus proved. You just have to have the right mix and mental attitude on the team to make it happen. Or the right coach to develop it. Those are the larger questions we need answered right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquarles Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 How did their first year players improve so muchCoaching, playing time, and trusting the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 First off, their recrutis are much higher rated than ours, if you believe that kind of stuff. Melvin Johnson was a four-star recruit. Lewis 3.3 stars. Brooks 3. Burgess 4. Of the current freshmen, Williams was a 3. Larrier 4. Tillman 3.7 and Gilmore 3.3. The higest guy on our entire roster is Yacoubou at 3.3. Mack and Williams, two guys coming in for Shaka next year, are four-star recruits. Conversely, both Welmer and Neufeld are two-star recrutis. Sure, let the bashing begin. Let the usual naysayers point out that these recruting rankings are all subjective, about how kids that sign with us are automatically downgraded because of that signing. I don't have a counter argument. It just is what it is. It could be right, it could be wrong. You can win with these lower ranked recruits as Majerus proved. You just have to have the right mix and mental attitude on the team to make it happen. Or the right coach to develop it. Those are the larger questions we need answered right now. Taj. As always, an informative post. And even under RM, our Frosh often played (sometimes by default), often contributed but most took time to develop -- normal for 2 and 3 star recruits. Kwamain may have had the best the freshman year for us under RM, but in fairness, playing PG all year long and having Lisch and Liddell on your left and right sure makes the break in to D1 ball easier. Again, could have Frosh have been even better than they were? Sure. But the problem really wasn't the Frosh. And the Frosh would have had an easier break in for us if our veterans had stepped up their game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Like it or not we should all support the A10 teams and hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Why are people so opposed to rooting for VCU and Havoc ("gimmick")? It's not a gimmick if it works. Since Smart has arrived, VCU's record currently looks like this: 2009-2010: 27-9 (CBI Champs, remember that?) 2010-2011: 28-12 (Final Four) 2011-2012: 29-7 (1-1 in Tournament) 2012-2013: 27-9 (1-1 in Tournament) 2013-2014: 26-9 (0-1 in Tournament) 2014-2015: 26-9 (NCAA Tournament) Total: 163-55 (.748), 7-4 in NCAA Tournament Shaka Smart seems like a good dude, and is definitely a pretty smart, driven guy. It seems like a clean program; I can't think of any scandals or players getting into trouble since he's taken the helm. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It's not the full court press itself that annoys people; it's the Darren Rovell-esque "branding" effort that's insufferable. It's one thing to always press; it's another to NAME your press with a gimmicky slogan; and it's still another to paste that gimmicky slogan on everything from buses to warmup jerseys. That's the only thing that has ever annoyed me about Shaka and VCU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I get that. It's a little annoying. But it works! The players are buying what Smart is selling. That clearly wasn't happening within our program this season. Regardless of personnel turnover at VCU, they've remained in the high-20-win range and single-digit-loss range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It's not the full court press itself that annoys people; it's the Darren Rovell-esque "branding" effort that's insufferable. It's one thing to always press; it's another to NAME your press with a gimmicky slogan; and it's still another to paste that gimmicky slogan on everything from buses to warmup jerseys. That's the only thing that has ever annoyed me about Shaka and VCU. That slogan has helped sell the program to recruits and helped the program remain in the spot light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 That slogan has helped sell the program to recruits and helped the program remain in the spot light. Not sure I agree there. I tend to think the Final Four run had a lot more to do with all that than putting the slogan on the bus and the warmup jerseys. But even if it did help them, I still find it annoying and can certainly understand why others do. If coming up with a catchphrase for your defense and putting your slogan on the uniforms really makes such a huge difference, then maybe we should forget about recruiting more guards and focus on putting Majerus' face and "BBQ sauce" on the back of our warmups like I suggested a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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