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As a Xavier fan I'm not trying to Flame. Take it for what it's worth...many times in last nights game the chant of Bull**** was loudly heard coming through the TV.

Thank you for commenting about this issue. I DO have two young children and am hoping to bring them to Billiken's games in the future. I am a season ticket holder and have been for a number of years. Some of the profanity is NOT appropriate for little children and is unnecessary. Hopefully SLU fans are able to communicate emotionally and effectively with words that are longer than four letters or hyphenated four-letter words such as bullxxxx. Don't we want families with little children to attend games? Of course we do, thus some moderation in the use of profanity would be beneficial and appropriate. I think the Blue Crew has been great, and hopefully they can come up with some really clever chants.

You don't have to be comfortable with the profanity (I know I'm not), but it's not good to try to completely shelter your children from every possible thing. If they're exposed to some profanity, what do you do? It's called parenting, teaching: you explain to them, "That's a naughty word, we don't use it in our house" (if that last part is true); "just because some people are lacking in class doesn't mean we have to be" — or some other words to that effect.
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"just because some people are lacking in class doesn't mean we have to be"

being "classy" means not hitting girls and not throwing up red wine all over my seventeen dollar dress shirt at a wake. it also means bagging your own groceries and not half-assing all the GOTDAMN sudoku in the in-flight magazines. some of the classiest mans in histories had SAILOR MOUF®.
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being "classy" means not hitting girls and not throwing up red wine all over my seventeen dollar dress shirt at a wake. it also means bagging your own groceries and.... some of the classiest mans in histories had SAILOR MOUF®.

If you really believe something, then you'll teach your children according to your values, right? My quote wasn't with you in mind. Well, actually, it was with you in mind — you're one of the ones I would teach my children not to act like.

It only goes so far, of course. One day they'll make up their own minds on what's appropriate, and what's not — as soon as they turn 10 B)

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Amen.

The students are all adults. The people playing the game are adults. The people buying tickets are mostly adults and who they bring to the game is up to their discretion. If you have a problem, don't take kids to a sporting event. Sit home and watch the Disney Channel with them instead. Don't regulate the students; we're trying to make this gameday environment as fun as possible so they keep showing up.

Plus, swearing around children is hilarious and awesome. I have always found it interesting when kids are exposed to profanity and sporting events, how people respond, how the kids themselves respond, etc.

If you disagree with me, please watch the entire first season of Eastbound and Down- 6 episodes, 3 hours, not a huge commitment. If you watch that and still disagree with me, I feel sorry for you.

This is just dumb and the way to get a first class a$$ beating.

There are differing degrees in cussing. After spending a year in the desert surrounded by nothing but dudes getting shot at, I've said a few things that would make George Carlin blush (yes I'm aware he's dead that's how bad it is). Bullsh$t is not that bad. Other words should not be said in public where children are present, I don't care how funny you think it is. I haven't noticed a problem at SLU games and the last two games I've gone to I visited the student section with a kid.

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Thank you Mtbills1 and others for your thoughtful comments to my post. I teach at SLU and try to help students be more articulate and use words properly. Many students, however, are unwilling to learn and settle to just "speak good" (ouch I hope that hurt your ears). It is my hope that our students are clever enough to come up with really good chants without resorting to coarse words or crude statements or copying other schools' chants.

And I do agree with you about the cheerleaders' uniforms and dances. I would not want my daughter prancing around in front of a male-dominated crowd in some of their outfits and making some of their provocative moves.

I look forward to your thoughtful response.

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Thank you Mtbills1 and others for your thoughtful comments to my post. I teach at SLU and try to help students be more articulate and use words properly. Many students, however, are unwilling to learn and settle to just "speak good" (ouch I hope that hurt your ears). It is my hope that our students are clever enough to come up with really good chants without resorting to coarse words or crude statements or copying other schools' chants.

And I do agree with you about the cheerleaders' uniforms and dances. I would not want my daughter prancing around in front of a male-dominated crowd in some of their outfits and making some of their provocative moves.

I look forward to your thoughtful response.

I also agree about the cheerleaders' uniforms, but what can you do? Do you see any cheerleader anywhere not wearing a short skirt or tight leggings?

I don't have any children at this time, but when I do, I'll encourage a daughter to be the show, not the side show. Play the sport, not cheer at it. And if she wants to dance, be a dancer where she is the headline — like at the Sheldon or Touhill. But at the same time, I realize that while in school, dancing at the basketball games may open doors for opportunities to be the headliner down the line. As for the "provocative" moves, isn't that just the nature of the activity?

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Thank you Mtbills1 and others for your thoughtful comments to my post. I teach at SLU and try to help students be more articulate and use words properly. Many students, however, are unwilling to learn and settle to just "speak good" (ouch I hope that hurt your ears). It is my hope that our students are clever enough to come up with really good chants without resorting to coarse words or crude statements or copying other schools' chants.

And I do agree with you about the cheerleaders' uniforms and dances. I would not want my daughter prancing around in front of a male-dominated crowd in some of their outfits and making some of their provocative moves.

I look forward to your thoughtful response.

Considering 3/4 of our crowd would have to OD on Viagra to get 'into the mood'...I don't think the Saintsations, and the parents of the Saintsations, have anything to worry about. I think they do a great job and I have no problem with what they wear and the dances they do. That might just be me...but I doubt it. If it was my daughter...well I'm not old enough yet but I'll let you know in about 20 years.
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When I was there during Spoonball days, it seemed to me that we were in the top 10-20 in the country for 3 or 4 years in attendance to the games. When the team played well (first at the Arena, then at the new Kiel), the place got fairly noisy. What was apparent to me then, but even moreso now that I've watched alot more college hoops at other schools, is that the crowd almost always seemed to be reactionary. In other words, most fans would cheer when we scored, and maybe yell a bit at a bad call, and clap some when the band got them going a bit. But waaaaaay to often they just sat on their hands and this just defeated the whole purpose of the home court advantage, esp. when your team is down. (OK, so none of this is a news flash to you guys). My point is what I see now, with a more intimate, on campus arena (certainly a key from student attendance perspective), is a bit more proactive fanbase. I give the Blue Crew a lot of credit for that. Free throw defense, chants, general noise, signs, standing/hopping (no I don't expect all fans or even all students to stand the whole time), some coordination with the band, coordinated clothing, ALL these things ARE contagious and DO help to improve the atmosphere. It seems more organized than I ever recall.

I agree with mtbills1 that isotope is overstating the impact of cursing or lewd behavior on our television contracts. However, I think ISOTOPE is on point with the idea that you can have a great college basketball atmosphere without being crude, cursing, or heaving personal insults at opposing players/coaches or referees. Why can't our fans can be loud and disrupt an opposing team with well timed noise, chants, motions etc. without the profanity or personal attacks (especially those completely unrelated to basketball)?. I'd much rather go to UD Arena and here the student section or courtside fan yell stuff like "Willie Reed, you couldn't hit a free throw if your scholarship depended on it!! Oh Wait, it DOES!! Good Luck making the NBA, you're like Shaq minus 125 pounds and a baby hook!" etc. VS. "Cody, go back to Australia and s#ck a kangaroo's d!ck. Gotdamn stupid mophead! You're a dumb@ss that couldn't make US grades and your fat @ss coach knows it."

Don't you guys agree there is a difference between basketball personal and plain old personal? Don't you guys agree that a simultaneous chant of "Wright is wrong!" (yes I know that's not very imaginative) or something similar is better than a similar chant of "Wright sucks!"...to me that chant itself deserves another one...."Boring! Boring!" (as well as slightly offensive)

Any chant or cheering/clapping etc. shows that a fan is into the game and can help boost a team. How is crude language that might offend some fans around you any BETTER? Do you think it shows MORE spirit? MORE support? Yelling at a ref, "you're a spineless ####head, make the call! There guy was giving our guy a handjob in there!!" is no more effective than "Get some guts and make the call! His hands are all over our man!!" You show your support,

the fans around you might chime in (which we all can agree is good), the ref might be subconsciously nudged toward a make up call...everyone's happy.

I'm just saying, I agree with Thicks that I don't expect my kids to never hear a "dirty word" or that if they hear something in a public place that I can never take them there again. But this is a college basketball game, not a rated R movie, not a Dane Cook show. I'll counsel my kid if I have to but I'd rather not have to....its just not necessary. IMHO, he's right, there is such a thing as "classy" support, there is a middle ground between sitting in silence with the

occasional golf clap and screaming profanities.

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Considering 3/4 of our crowd would have to OD on Viagra to get 'into the mood'...I don't think the Saintsations, and the parents of the Saintsations, have anything to worry about. I think they do a great job and I have no problem with what they wear and the dances they do. That might just be me...but I doubt it. If it was my daughter...well I'm not old enough yet but I'll let you know in about 20 years.

does that include you and the backhand, eh?

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I agree with Jerram's comments. No one wants to stifle fans' engagement in the game, but in can be done in an appropriate way. I am amazed about how many fans in my area (101) sit throughout the entire game and then get up to yell and wave their hands for little colored balls. I am screaming my voice hoarse in most games. Go Bills.

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To everyone who has a problem with profane chants at the SLU games:

Deal with it. It happens at every college whether basketball or football or whatever sport being played. We are a bunch of college kids trying to enjoy the game and get our team motivated. If you have a problem with it, don't come. ESPN or CBS or whoever don't choose games based on the student section. They choose games based on the matchups and hopefully we can get there next year. It's pretty easy for a TV technician to tune out the background noise. So SLU students I commend you on your profanity and I encourage you to keep it up for the Temple game on Wednesday. Our boys will need another 6th man for this game. Let's go SLU!!!

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To everyone who has a problem with profane chants at the SLU games:

Deal with it. It happens at every college whether basketball or football or whatever sport being played. We are a bunch of college kids trying to enjoy the game and get our team motivated. If you have a problem with it, don't come. ESPN or CBS or whoever don't choose games based on the student section. They choose games based on the matchups and hopefully we can get there next year. It's pretty easy for a TV technician to tune out the background noise. So SLU students I commend you on your profanity and I encourage you to keep it up for the Temple game on Wednesday. Our boys will need another 6th man for this game. Let's go SLU!!!

Wow! Please tell me you didn't mean it like that.

But I agree with you regarding "dealing with it."

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To everyone who has a problem with profane chants at the SLU games:

Deal with it. It happens at every college whether basketball or football or whatever sport being played. We are a bunch of college kids trying to enjoy the game and get our team motivated. If you have a problem with it, don't come. ESPN or CBS or whoever don't choose games based on the student section. They choose games based on the matchups and hopefully we can get there next year. It's pretty easy for a TV technician to tune out the background noise. So SLU students I commend you on your profanity and I encourage you to keep it up for the Temple game on Wednesday. Our boys will need another 6th man for this game. Let's go SLU!!!

I wouldn't have a problem with a profane chant if it was original. The ones at the our games are older than some of the blue hairs at the game.
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This is just dumb and the way to get a first class a$$ beating.

There are differing degrees in cussing. After spending a year in the desert surrounded by nothing but dudes getting shot at, I've said a few things that would make George Carlin blush (yes I'm aware he's dead that's how bad it is). Bullsh$t is not that bad. Other words should not be said in public where children are present, I don't care how funny you think it is. I haven't noticed a problem at SLU games and the last two games I've gone to I visited the student section with a kid.

Are you threatening me?

Seems a little worse than using a few four-letter words.

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