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1 hour ago, shempie said:
Might be tough with only one year left, but this is the kind of player that seem slike he would fit the new system.
Carr is also entering the NBA, draft.
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2 hours ago, billikenfan05 said:
There are no positions.
I will take issue with this. Sorry Zack this takes some reading:
You can't have 5 guys who can't bring the ball up the floor, or 5 guys who are short and can't defend the rim. Identifying positions and players to those positions, helps in identifying team needs. For example, every team needs a player who can bring the ball up the floor under heavy, on ball pressure. That's a 1 or point guard. Every team has a second best ball handler who can bring the ball up the floor under moderate pressure and assist against full court pressure. That's a 2 guard or shooting guard. 3 guard or small forward is generally an offensive player who does not handle the ball under pressure. The 4 or power forward, is generally the second tallest player on the floor who can hold his ground near the basket, rebound and protect the rim. The 5 is generally the tallest player who protects the post on defense. There are over lapping skills, like 4s compared to 5s.
Schertz 5 out offense reduces the significance of height in the half-court, because players can all hit 3s and pull defenders away from the basket. Though on defense, you are still looking at a conventional man to man or zone. Someone has to stop the apposing 6'9" and 6'11" post players.
Numbering the positions makes it easier to analyze and talk about. If it were truly positionless, just take your 5 best players and put them on the floor without regard to their positions.
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Kent gone, might make the SLU opportunity look better to Turnbull.
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1 hour ago, SLURadioBoy said:
Looks like Kent committed to Texas and won’t be visiting this week after all.
I was hoping we would get Kent, though I think he a bit short of 6'8". It appears Sherrz wants to go bigger at the 4, 5 spots. Even though height is not as important in the 5 out, it still counts on D. If you want a team to make a tournament run, height matters. So I'm not devastated by the news. Indiana state demonstrated that they could beat bubble teams, but second round games are often a bug step up in size and quality.
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GIBSON JIMMMMERSON will thrive in this system!
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2 minutes ago, 757billiken said:
I also admittedly did not watch much other than his transfer highlights on youtube....might be a stupid question, but can he dunk? High IQ for sure. Great passer. Decent shooter, but getting Adam Knollmeyer athleticism vibe. <insert trashcan vid>
Also does the MVC lack athletic big men? His competition looked suspect. The A10 has athletes.
Watch the NIT games.
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On 4/8/2024 at 8:40 PM, wgstl said:
Avilas gonna play 30 mpg, that’s a lot for a center. It’ll be hard to find a forrester if you will who will only play 10 or less. It’ll likely be a project like a Bruce or maybe the 6’11 recruit he has signed currently
So if Avila plays 30 min and the 4 plays 30 min, there are 20 forward min available. In one interview about his Canadian big man recruit, he talked about playing 2 centers at the same time. While the height isn't as big a deal in the 5 out offense, it still counts when playing defense. A 5 out offense with a twin towers defense would really frustrate teams that want to go inside in their half court offense. It breaks convention and kind of blows your mind.
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Indiana State didn't really have a center to back up Avila. If he would have been injured, they would not have been the same team. Kent was the 4. IF, we get Avila and Kent, there needs to be at least one more big who can play and ideally 2. The players that have committed to Indiana State are forwards. The kid from Canada has size and athleticism. It will be interesting to see if any of them come to SLU.
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The Good.
We have covered The Bad and The Ugly.
What are Ford's greatest accomplishments at SLU?
Pobably signing Jordan Goodwin. He had a great career and will be a SLU hero for a very long time.
Ford brought the practice of non stop recruiting, which is more important now than ever.
Ford brought numerous St Louis area players to SLU. In addition to Goodwin. Thatch, TJ, Yuri, and Perkins.
There are more players of note. I'll mention one more in Gibson Jimerson, and if he comes back for one last year, will set records that might last forever.
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3 minutes ago, slu72 said:
TJ’s gone. No eligibility.
Sorry not sure how that got posted now. Just meant to post. Yell friends and family to buy season tickets now. It's like a hot stock tip.
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Now is the time to tell friends and family to buy season tickets!
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On 3/30/2024 at 2:24 AM, The Wiz said:
I was going to let this slide by as I thought why beat on Ford anymore. And then I thought it might be a good idea to show the upside of Schertz.
So the simply answer is Schertz wins more games...but you knew that already. But as I know, the computer never gives simple answers. And it is the additional info that is interesting.
First interesting fact was the computer thought that at the beginning of the season the BIlls had the better team ...not because we were great but that ISU was just a so so team.
Point 1...Schertz takes a so so team and moves them to NET 29
Point 2...In the 1st game of the season , I have SLU play ISU...Bills over ISU by 3 on a neutral court.
Point 3...I have SLU play ISU today....ISU over The Bills by 11 on a neutral court.
I could stop here but let's keep going...
Point 4...Coaches now switch teams...a lot of ifs here but in the end the Coach is responsible for whatever happens...even things beyond his control.
Point 5...ISU starts off promisingly with CTF but the season starts to fade due to a variety of reasons...some explainable ...some not. (not the least of which we are living in an alternate universe) ...ISU finishes 10th in MVC ahead of Valpo and UIC...no post season but Ford says he has a plan.
Point 6 ... The Bills have a lot of promise and start the season well but have some things go wrong ...players missing... injuries...but continue to hang on and win some close games that don't seem winnable.(in another universe they are not winnable) KenPom adds an extra margin to the Bills spread calling it the "luck " factor. Bills finish the season in 1st place AND go on to win the A10 tourney too and get the auto bid...the NCAA still gives an at large bid to Dayton (because they can)...Bills receive a 7th seed in the bracket.
Point 7...Back to the original question...who has more wins...Schertz...
Bottom line... The preceding was a series of simulations. You may agree with all of it ...some of it... or none of it but in the final analysis the computer says ....we are getting a better Coach.
In this hypothetical, the only way Shertz can run his 5 out offense, is with Tj at the 5. Because our current bigs don't shoot 3s. So we would play a very small 5 out line up.
So maybe Tj, Thames, Gibby, Curcic and Medley. Hughes as the 6th man.
I think we had enough outside shooting gaurds for the 5 out but woefully short of the key outside shooting and passing 5.
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4 minutes ago, cheeseman said:
Don't you think if Schertz is really coming that the players already know who he wants to keep? My guess is Bruce is not one of them.
I dont think they know anything directly or indirectly from Schertz. But they can see the characteristics of the players used in his 5 out style of play. They are also probably unsettled by the delays.
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2 hours ago, TheA_Bomb said:
Yeah things can be said without being said. Or they have a good team culture and things in the locker room stay in the locker room.
I'll disagree with you. Something as big as changing schools and NIL money, a player is most likely going to tell a friend, girl friend and or a parent. 5 players, no way that stays sealed.
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Since Schertz has been tight lipped about his move to SLU, it is safe to assume he has had NO conversations about it with his players. One or more players may have expressed interest to him, based on the rumored move, but that would be the most that would have transpired. Schertz knows who he would like to have and what it will likely cost. SLU no doubt agreed to an NIL commitment that he can win with.
I'm not sure how much if any transfer dialog with a player prior to their entering portal is acceptable? Alsi, a discussion like that with a player would quickly go viral. I think Schertz is being careful and will move quickly, once things are public.
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Vice might be a much better fit in the 5 out, I recall hum being touted as a 3 point sheeter.
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On 3/30/2024 at 2:24 AM, The Wiz said:
I was going to let this slide by as I thought why beat on Ford anymore. And then I thought it might be a good idea to show the upside of Schertz.
So the simply answer is Schertz wins more games...but you knew that already. But as I know, the computer never gives simple answers. And it is the additional info that is interesting.
First interesting fact was the computer thought that at the beginning of the season the BIlls had the better team ...not because we were great but that ISU was just a so so team.
Point 1...Schertz takes a so so team and moves them to NET 29
Point 2...In the 1st game of the season , I have SLU play ISU...Bills over ISU by 3 on a neutral court.
Point 3...I have SLU play ISU today....ISU over The Bills by 11 on a neutral court.
I could stop here but let's keep going...
Point 4...Coaches now switch teams...a lot of ifs here but in the end the Coach is responsible for whatever happens...even things beyond his control.
Point 5...ISU starts off promisingly with CTF but the season starts to fade due to a variety of reasons...some explainable ...some not. (not the least of which we are living in an alternate universe) ...ISU finishes 10th in MVC ahead of Valpo and UIC...no post season but Ford says he has a plan.
Point 6 ... The Bills have a lot of promise and start the season well but have some things go wrong ...players missing... injuries...but continue to hang on and win some close games that don't seem winnable.(in another universe they are not winnable) KenPom adds an extra margin to the Bills spread calling it the "luck " factor. Bills finish the season in 1st place AND go on to win the A10 tourney too and get the auto bid...the NCAA still gives an at large bid to Dayton (because they can)...Bills receive a 7th seed in the bracket.
Point 7...Back to the original question...who has more wins...Schertz...
Bottom line... The preceding was a series of simulations. You may agree with all of it ...some of it... or none of it but in the final analysis the computer says ....we are getting a better Coach.
In this hypothetical, the only way Shertz can run his 5 out offense, is with Tj at the 5. Because our current bigs don't shoot 3s. So we would play a very small 5 out line up.
So maybe Tj, Thames, Gibby, Curcic and Medley. Hughes as the 6th man.
I think we had enough outside shooting gaurds for the 5 out but woefully short of the key outside shooting and passing 5.
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The value of Curcic, is he shoots well coming off the bench. Our bigs don't shoot 3s, so the 5 out offense turns into a 4 out offense. One of the things that make Avila so effective is that his defender has to come out of the paint to guard him, or he will drop a 3 on them. When his defender comes out, it opens s up the lanes for cutters. Its beautiful. But it does not work with a big that can't make 3s.
I dont think Schertz will settle for players that can't play his system. I think in today's game, you tell the players that you are not likely to see the floor and they will leave.
Indiana State is a super disciplined team. The Bills have been very undisciplined. The culture is about to change.
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7 hours ago, The Wiz said:
I could have fed individual players in to the computer but instead I fed the whole roster in....
There were 6 players that the computer said could play on a Schertz team...3 sure players and 3 maybe/bench players.
Of course the player it liked the best was Parker but reports say he is not coming back. Another player the computer thought would be good was Hargrove...and we know he is not coming back . Finally, there is Jimerson. If Schertz brings 5 players Jimerson and a few other ISU players might get a few min less /gm which isn't necessarily bad. If he brings 4 then Jimerson and the other ISU players could play their usual mins.
On the maybe / bench players(getting about the same min they got this year).....Hughes(he would need to improve shooting inside the arc)...Thames (he would need to improve FT shooting)...Curcic (he would need to get a few more rebs)
Bottom line...1 player (Jimerson) could make the cut from the entire existing roster....3 could be maybe/bench players...Thames...Hughes...Curcic....the others would not make the cut.
It seems that Schertz has a well defined system and recruits to it. His system seems based in analytics, so he likely is evaluating every potential player that way. He will probably reach the same conclusion as the Wiz. Thanks Wiz.
The ground is changing under the feet of our current players.
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8 hours ago, ACE said:
This will be a big topic as soon as the head coach presser is concluded...
These are the players that remain:
Brad
Thames
Hughes
Curcic
Zhang
Magassa
I expect most of these to be gone, I think Thames could serve a nice bench role and I wouldn't have a problem if Curcic stuck around to develop. I'm okay if Hughes is willing to accept a MUCH smaller role, but wouldn't blame him for moving on. Brad could provide some value off the bench, but I would be surprised if he stuck around.
We'll be glued to the portal to see when ISU players hit it - other than the 5 starters, I don't see anything on their bench. The three ISU recruits could be in play. I think the only way Gibby possibly comes back is if one of the ISU guards doesn't come over.
I dont know anything about Mugassa shooting. Brad is definitely not a stretch 5. I dont see him fitting at all.
I wonder what his computer will say if the Wizz asks Ehat current Billikens players fit Schertz system?
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Here are the steps that I think have transpired. SLU tells Ford they are cutting ties 3 weeks before it is announced. At that time, they hire a search firm to see if any of the coaches on SLUs list have any interest. = SLU is interested in talking to SLU Schertz and he is interested in SLU. Talks progress, there are interviews and discussions about salary, contact and NIL commitment. At some point there is a meeting of the minds and Shertz committs to a contract. That was probably before selection Sunday. SLU needed a contract in order to wait for his season to end. They offered what it took to get the agreement.
The contract has a buy out, so Schertz was, and probably is, able to exit the contract, but it has a significant buy out.
The buy out is too steep for Indiana State. No way SLU made an offer, and Shertz gets to make up his mind at the end of his season as to staying at ISU or leaving.
If he goes anywhere but SLU, SLU gets paid. A school like Louisville probably has the money to pay the buyout.
Bottom line, it's a done deal, unless a deep pockets school and Shertz decide to dance, AND SLU gets paid.
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It makes sense that the Bills wanted an agreement before IU's season ends and paid what it took to make it happen. You don't just walk away from the consequences of breaking the contract.
I'm still trusting that we still have our coach.
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7 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
Ace, i understand and you have a reasonable concern. most of us have a softspot for our alma mater. but keep in mind Schertz's bad experience leaving tennis and the way he was treated by his own family. i.e. beyond school, florida doesnt necessarily have all great memories for him.
to qualify my above statement. that is just my opinion after reading his background and watching the interview that abomb posted about a week ago on Coach Schertz. no where have i read or heard Schertz say he has a problem or apprehension about returning to florida.
I believe Coach Schertz is all but a done deal. probably just need a signature to the agreed to verbal agreement.
the thing i have a hard time believing is the general belief that he will bring his starting 5 with him. i cant think of a single situation where a coach even brought 2 or 3 players with him when he switched schools let alone 5! i will believe that when it happens.
I can't imagine Schertz talking to any of his players before this is announced. So my view is that any of his current players joining SLU, is pure speculation. That said, this could be the perfect storm. The key players are not seniors, transferring is easy AND SLU is rumored to have NIL money. The players get to step up in conference with their coach, in the system they flourish in and get paid. Otherwise transferring is risky business.
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I would love to see Turnbull sign. I think he is supposed to visit in next couple of days.