RUBillsFan

I stole it from Ben Fred on twitter.

I can't wait for SLU to proudly display this thing on the concourse at Chaifetz along with their other trophies...oh wait. I know today isn't the day to throw shade, but I can't help it. Having the trophy cases hidden away is totally stupid.

Is it too soon for Tillet to give Schertz sh*t for NOT winning the NIT?

Julia Martinez. Nose for the ball.

Based on info at Sports Reference and my doing some math: Most games in a season for the women's team prior to this one was last season (2022-23) when they played 35 games and went 17-18. They also played 34 games in both 2015-16 (26-8 overall) and 2016-17 (25-9 overall). https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/saint-louis/women/ Most games in a season for the men's team is 37 in 1988-89 when Grawer led them to the NIT finals and a 27-10 overall record. They played 36 in both 2009-10 (Majerus CBI finals year 23-13 overall) and 2018-19 (Ford's A10 tourney championship 23-13 overall). https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/saint-louis/men/ Without looking it up I would've guess CBI finals year as the most, but I forgot they lost their 1st game of the A10 tournament that year.

The answer to your question is 25 year. Travis Ford - hired by SLU after being fired at OSU Jim Crews - hired by SLU (as an assistant coach) after a couple years on the shelf after being fired by Army Rick Majerus - hired by SLU after a few years as an ESPN analyst, Majerus resigned from Utah for health reasons. Brad Soderberg - hired by SLU (as an assistant coach) after being fired by Wisconsin / not retained when he was the interim HC after Dick Bennet's abrupt retirement. Lorenzo Romar - hired away from Pepperdine in 1999 Charlie Spoonhour - hired away from Missouri State Romar is the most recent coach that fits your criteria. Telling that every other coach we hired who was fired at their previous coaching stop largely failed as a HC at SLU to varying degrees. Majerus who wasn't fired at Utah is of course in a different category.

Chris May has that (lap)dawg (of big boosters) in him. FIFY I'm assigning all the credit on this to big money boosters like Chaifetz unless there is concrete evidence otherwise.

You can make the same excuse about there being a lot more entertainment options in the St Louis area - Cardinals, Blues, City, Battlehawks to go along with a ton of non-sports stuff that Terre Haute doesn't have. Bottom line - neither program has a ton of success in the recent history. Neither program has a large enough rabid fanbase that will fill their arena to watch a mediocre product. However, SLU has a larger fanbase and more money than ISU. The basketball landscape sucks for them. I'm glad they're on this run & get to enjoy some good basketball. I'm not going to feel bad about (potentially) stealing their coach because if things go well here the same thing is going to happen to us in a few years. That's the way of the college basketball world.

Frank & Slaten have the same dumb ideas that Pistol outlined. Their personalities are not at all the same. Frank tries to come off as a nice guy. Slaten is a blowhard who tries to come off as a tough guy. Their personalities are largely irrelevant to this conversation on their bad ideas for SLU basketball.

I just Googled & apparently APR (academic progress rate) is still a thing. I had no idea because I haven't heard about it in a decade. Maybe they stopped punishing teams for it being too low? There is even a searchable database for a coach's APR (https://web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/coachAprSearch) Travis Ford 2021-22 955 2020-21 979 I guess they didn't count 2019-20 2018-19 938 2017-18 857 Josh Schertz 2021-22 957 2020-21 978 Finally to show that APR still bullsh*t Penny Hardaway 2021-22 1000

I'll workshop it a bit. I wish I could spend all day writing Tony Murkens & Frank Cusamano fan fiction, but I need to be a little bit productive at work. I wasn't envisioning that Murken's has actually paid yet & the Pappy's employee is still just has a blank look on her face starting at Tony & Frank. However, I was especially proud of the part where they look down to see Cusamano. My uncle (I think) played ball against Cusamano in high school and 30+ years later my grandma would refer to him as "little Frankie Cusamano" which cracked me up. I'm not even sure if Frank is short in real life, but I've got it in my head that he's like Tom Cruise height & camera tricks make him look normal sized.

This reply by WestPineBills made me LOL. I'm imagining Mr. Murkens at Pappy's. Of course he's clad in his polo shirt with too many buttons undone and no undershirt, gold necklace resting across the top of white tufts of chest hair that no one wants to see, and his signature St Louis Cardinals cowboy hat sits askance on his head. He strolls up to the counter with the self-assuredness that only a Boomer can have. "I'll take a full slab of ribs, bean, and slaw" Tony boasts. "Sure. Anything else?" inquires an unknowing Pappy's employee. "What's the latest on the Billiken's coaching search?" "..." "..." "Uh...I...I don't know what you're talking about. Your total is $31.09." "Did Fred Pestello put you up this this? You know Yuri Collings should've gone to Texas. No heart." "..." Both parties glance down to see Frank Cusamano stroll over. "Tony! How you doing! Let's talk about Blake Ahern!" -scene-

IF/When Schertz is announced as the SLU coach, can we get Marque Perry to make the announcement? That would be some next level trolling of Louisville.

Ideally I'd love a squeaky clean character guy who can win big at SLU, but I don't think that is realistic / actually exists. I'd much rather have a coach like Pearl, Sampson, or Wade who got in trouble for recruiting violations than a guy like Greg Marshall who has never in trouble with the NCAA, but has been accused of verbal & physical abuse of his players or even. I'm not quite win at all costs, but give me a guy who wins & whose players love him regardless of his track record of NCAA violations.

Per Wikipedia (I know...), Wade has a 2 year show-cause penalty that was handed out June 22, 2023. I'm not sure if McNeese has to abide by that since they hired him prior to the show-cause. Regardless, it may be scaring off potential suitors. Wade may also be thinking if he stays at McNeese another year & wins, he can have his pick of any job openings he wants next go around and also not have the show-cause to worry about. @billiken_roy on the one hand, I get not wanting to hire Wade because of his recruiting violations. On the other hand, all that stuff is legal now, so it is kind of silly to take that stance. Wade has won at every stop. If Schertz is out and we want a proven winer, Wade is the guy show-cause be damned. As others have pointed out guys like Bruce Pearl & Kelvin Sampson have done pretty well after being hit with show-cause penatlies.

Honestly, why don't we just pivot to Will Wade (who should've been the obvious hire at Louisville)? I doubt that will happen, but after looking up his track record after seeing the "unproven" stuff, he's a far better candidate (on paper) than Schertz. NCAA tournament in 6/9 (7/10 if you count the COVID year LSU most likely would have made it) years as a HC, 3/5 at the mid-major level. 4 years he didn't make NCAAs were his 2 at Chattanooga, NIT his 1st year at LSU, and the COVID no tournament year. Since his 2 years at Chattanooga, he hasn't finished below 67 in KenPom. His salary at McNeese was just $700k this past season.

Welp add another school to the list competing with SLU during this coaching search. Rockhurst has a lot to offer with similarities to SLU. Jesuit Urban Campus History of soccer success Located in Missouri Large media market Untapped potential

Tate had that really bad leg injury in 2019. 2019 also was the start of Yuri & Hargrove's careers (also Perkins!). If I'm remember correctly, Corey couldn't really get around because of the injury & SLU lobbied the NCAA to allow Ray Giacoletti who was in a non-assistant coaching role at the time to be able to recruit like an AC since Tate was hurt. I wonder if Tate kind of lost his local recruiting fastball after sitting out that year. To be fair, we DID land Phil Rusell, Jordan Nesbitt, Nick Kramer, Kellen Thames, & Larry Hughes II after 2019. They just haven't panned out as well. We also were able to get Francis Okoro (semi-local) and Javon Pickett to transfer back. I'm also not sure there were many locals we had a shot at landing & missed on that ended up being great elsewhere. Tate is/was really only valuable if there are local 3 star-ish (maybe low 4) prospects who SLU has a shot at. He's likely not going to get us the Caleb Love types and we don't want the Troy Slaten types (to steal a name from a recent MMP episode).

I think there is also some other benefit of raising to profile of your program / making the job more attractive to the next coaching hire. Schertz has shown that Indiana State CAN be successful / win the MVC. The next coach will likely have to do that on his own merit instead of riding Schertz coattails, but the Indiana State job is more attractive now than when Schertz took it. Success also breeds fan interest which brings more money into the program & likely some level of buy-in / honeymoon period for a new coaching hire who excites those fans.

You can do this same analysis with Xavier, but over a longer period of time as @Pistol did on a recent MMP episode. Bob Staak 1985, Pete Gillen 1994, Skip Prosser 2001, Thad Matta 2004, Sean Miller 2009, Chris Mack 2018 were all hired away by high major programs. It wasn't until Travis Steele that they fired a coach. 6 coaches in a 34 year window moving on to a higher profile (at the time) job. You can also go back further with VCU to Jeff Capel being hired by Oklahoma in 2006. 5 coaches in an 18 year window moving on to a higher profile job. Butler is another example, but a little different because they usually hired from within. Barry Collier 2000, Matta 2001, Todd Lickliter 2007, Brad Stevens 2013, Brandon Miller (dud), and Chris Holtmann (2017). 5 out of 6 coaches in an 18 year window moving on to a higher profile job. Heck Creighton an example over a longer stretch of time. Eddie Sutton 1974, Tom Apke 1981, Willis Reed (sort of), Tony Barone, Rick Johnson (dud), Dana Altman 2010. 5 of 6 coaches in 37 years moving on to a higher profile job. You can point out that not all those guys worked out when they moved up a level, but who cares from the perspective of the lower profile school. They got some success out of the guy, got paid for him to be hired elsewhere, and moved on. That is the formula. Put non-coach resources in place to be successful / attract a good, young, up & coming coach, make a good hire of a good, young up & coming coach, don't worry about that coach moving on, re-invest in the program when it has success and that coach gets bought out, rinse, repeat. Eventually you hope to be in a position where the coach is happy enough & your program is big enough that they decide to stay (Gonzaga). That's the dream, but it happens organically & could take a few cycles of hiring good young coaches for it to happen or it may never happen & that's okay too.

Your post sent me down a rabbit whole of searching Otzelberberg on the board and reading through the coaching search threads from 2016....and holy this post you made almost 8 years ago! It should be noted that Otzelberger has now coached at 3 different schools during Ford's tenure. I highly doubt he'd still be at SLU, but that's fine. Use us a stepping stone & then we just keep making good coaching hires. That route has been successful for a lot more programs we consider our peers than a route of trying to get a coach who will stay forever.

If I'm making a college head coaching hire, I'd honestly be more inclined to hire a guy who is recommended by a bunch of high level AAU coaches, international youth level coaches, and/or high level Juco coaches than a guy recommended by NBA head coaches and blue blood college head coaches. I'm not saying the first guys exists, just that recommendations from the latter group shouldn't carry a ton of weight just because of their celebrity status.

If SLU does indeed hire Schertz for the job, we 100% need to get Nickelodeon on the line to do a "Salute Your Schertz" night / Nickelodeon kids TV broadcast from Chaifetz Arena. Bring in Michael Bower aka Donkeylips to do color commentary. You're welcome fellow 90s Nick kids / Billiken fans.

Reminder: 2023 Salaries per some quick Google research: Kelsey - $1.1 million May - $1.25 million Sprinkle - $900k DeVries - $630k Travis Ford - $2.34 million All these guys would be adding at least a million to their salaries. If they don't get P6 jobs, they'd be crazy to think that SLU is not a step up & jump at the chance for a million dollar+ raise.

Oh man. That sucks. MBM prayers for the 4 year old (and for the rest of the family's sanity). As a parent, kids getting sick is a nightmare. You do what you can, but the kid still feels miserable, so you feel miserable.