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I think cgelmacher's point is that at some point someone will sue and say they should be able to play college basketball as long as they want. If I or you can go to school as long as I want, why can't I also play basketball as long as I want? How dare the NCAA limit me to only 4 seasons. They can't limit me from transferring or getting paid or anything like that, so why are they limiting me from playing more than 4 years will be the argument. As to whether people would want to play basketball at the college level indefinitely, of course they would. It's a far more attractive option for a 25 year old to play college basketball in the U.S. than to go over to some Eastern European country and play for $50k. Take a few classes for free, call yourself a "student athlete" and you can make $300k playing in the U.S. College basketball would be full of 25-30 year olds if allowed.

Not every team is going to get a 25X increase. If you are a relative nobody team and all of a sudden become a top 25 team, you can expect a large increase. Same goes for individual players. A player may be getting $20k a year somewhere, have a breakout season and be offered $500k somewhere else the next season. Of course the opposite could be true...a player may have a 200k deal then play poorly or get hurt and next year he is told he'll only be getting 50k or that he should hit the portal. There is a downside for players that don't perform as free agency every year for every player doesn't work out so well if you don't perform up to your contract. The real question is how much will the entire pot of NIL funds grow each year. That's the true test of sustainability.

I feel like there is maybe a little creative over-emphasizing on the uncertainty he had regarding SLU at the beginning and the value that he got out of him and May talking every day for the next few weeks. It's a smart thing to do because it makes him look like there was a larger chance he was going back to ISU and it makes Chris May look good. It's a win/win for him to cast it this way and all coaches are good salesmen. I'm more inclined to believe that when Trilly and all the national media guys said it was close to a done deal shortly after they didn't make the dance, it was really done at that point.

Would he bring cousin Greg with him? That dude was quite tall.

I have no inside info, but I'd be surprised if he still comes. An NLI signed in the fall under a different coach means pretty much nothing in today's world of portals and changing NIL offers (using NLI and NIL in one sentence is dangerous).

If we land the majority of the ISU players, why would we expect anything other than to have a NET similar to what they had last year? They had a NET of 28 last year, only Dayton would have been higher. Not sure why you'd sell SLU short by lumping us in with teams 2-4 in the A-10 that had NETs in the 70-90 range.

A few thoughts on ISU and the internet: - I haven't gone over to the ISU message boards. I'm sure some of it has been nasty but it's to be expected. - Fan bases don't speak as one unified voice and definitionally anyone that posts a lot on a message board is going to be an outlier. Taken further, if all you do is read the loudest, most obnoxious voices in a group that is already loud an obnoxious (i.e. internet posters) you are going to get a bad view of that fanbase/group. - I've seen a lot of people on this board and twitter over the past few weeks say something along the lines "I/we won't react poorly if this happens to us in a few years because it means we will have had a great couple of years." I think that's complete B.S. If the same thing was happening to us that is happening to them, people would be naturally pissed and it only takes 5% of the posters to make an entire fanbase look crazy. Is Billikens.com and Billiken twitter really so unified in thought that 5% of this board couldn't make us look stupid and unreasonable???

It does seem a little nitpicky to me. Posters on here have been confidently posting for weeks that Schertz has already decided to come to SLU. I haven't had the chance to listen to your podcast in the last couple of weeks (sorry!) but I suspect you and Pete have said similar. Apologies if I'm wrong about that. So posters and podcasters are allowed to speculate that Schertz is coming to SLU. But Frank on 590 isn't allowed to say something similar?

Friday and Saturday also work. I think we'll have our guy announced in the media by the time the men's final 4 tips. When the actual press-conference is, I'd bet on Monday morning.

That was Nick Kern (senior), right?

Not to bag on ISU, but this is their best season is 45 years. He's taken them as far as anyone can reasonably expect. It's time for him to move on and I'm thrilled that he has apparently decided to do it with us.

1. If the MoU exists, and multiple media reported that it does, then he isn't staying at ISU. The idea of him still deciding is really just Terre Haute media playing the party line and keeping the fan base happy during the NIT run. 2. One MBM saying that is not really credible IMO. If the deal is as done as we want it to be with a MoU then the last thing you want to do is piss off Schertz by word leaking that you are talking to someone else. I doubt May is talking to anyone at this point! 3. If the chances are 98% at this point, waiting till after ISU loses in the semi-finals moves it to what, 97%. If they win the whole thing it goes to 96.5%? Not sure how this falls apart but it is definitely going to last until at least April 2 and likely the way they are playing, April 4th. Just turn off the computer and check back in on April 5th.

So are we rooting for or against ISU tonight? I say against, time to get this thing truly finalized.

In the last hour both Jeff Goodman and Pat Forde have tweeted about Richard Pitino being involved at Louisville. Now this article: https://247sports.com/college/louisville/article/josh-heird-rick-pitino-richard-pitino-has-emerged-as-a-top-candidate-for-the-louisville-job-229376705/

This. I'm not sure why people are reading more into it than that.

Slufan13’s post was satire as he was making fun of courtside’s inside info by posting a lot of his own “info” that isn’t really insightful and has predictions that are nearly impossible to be wrong. For example, using a date of May 1 it’s impossible to be wrong. He wasn’t actually predicting it would take that long to hire a coach.

Ace, you may be right, but what is the solution other than to win and win a lot. We aren't switching conferences any time soon and that has been well documented. So what can we really do besides win? And places that I kind of disagree with you: - I don't buy that the Mountain West is now a part of a new P6. They are having a great multi-year run but the A10 had the same 7-9 years ago and the AAC had it for a while too over the last 5 years. Time will tell if that conference has staying power, but I don't think I'd call it P6 yet. - Indiana St. potentially getting screwed of a bid this year is criminal, but Dayton being a near lock given their resume shows the A10 still gets a certain amount of respect. I'm really not sure why Dayton is a lock, but they are. - Florida Atlantic is a good example of what can still be done in this era of NIL, with a little bit of good fortune (i.e. a deep tourney run). Win and win big and the NIL money will start to flow. There are no doubt that the new college landscape has a lot of challenges for smaller schools and I hate the new free agency every year for every player model, but it is what it is. Let's go get a coach that can when in this structure and it will all work out...

I know we are just grasping at straws on the logic and whatnot, but there is no way that Schertz (or any other coach that will be in the NCAA tournament) is going to announce they are leaving their team for SLU until the NCAA tournament is over.

Apologies if this has been brought up in another thread, but SLU really needs to do it's senior night activities before the game next Tuesday. A few reasons: - It's an 8'oclock start which means there is plenty of time to do it before the game. And it's kind of late for most Billiken fans after the game. Even in the best of times, I don't want my kids out till 10:30 or later. - We are playing Dayton and will almost certainly lose and probably get blown out. After the game is never fun when you lose and if it's like last night, 2/3 of the fans that show up will have already left. It's a safe bet that there will be more Dayton fans in Chaifetz at the end of the game than Billiken ones. - As angry as we all are with the coaching, players such as T.J., Gibson, etc. deserve a good send-off.

Brad was fired in March of 2007. Josh committed to Kentucky in March of 2008. From Wikipedia: In March 2008, Western Illinois fired coach Derek Thomas, and Harrellson was released from his Letter of Intent in April of that year.[3] Harrellson first expressed interest in transferring to the University of Missouri, but the school had no basketball scholarships available.[10] He considered scholarship offers from Iowa, Iowa State, St. Louis, Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky.[10]His final decision was between St. Louis and Kentucky.[10] Despite his desire to stay close to home, in part because of his parents' recent divorce, Harrellson chose Kentucky because of the chance for better exposure, which would lead to an opportunity to play professional basketball.

Admittedly, I mis-read the last part of your post, but it definitely made it sound like Brad was involved when he made the decision to go to Kentucky. In truth, that was all under Majerus' time. Agreed, that Brad's mistake was not offering him in the fall before his high school season and hoping he could grab him in the spring.

Cheeseman, I think you are mis-remembering the timeline on Harrelson. Brad didn't show enough interest in him when he was in high school, or told him we'd like to see how senior year went. Either way, Harrelson was under recruited by SLU. He went on a visit to Western Illinois and committed to Derek Thomas. He then had a huge senior year and decided he didn't want to go to Western Illinois. Ended up doing one year at SWIC because Western Illinois wouldn't release him from his LOI. By that time Majerus was the head coach at SLU. When he was eventually released by Western Illinois his recruitment blew up and it was indeed between SLU and Kentucky. The glitz and glamor of UK won out.

I know everyone wants to pick on the NCAA and they are an easy target, but for about a 100 years they made rules (don't pay players, sit out for a year when transferring, academic qualifications to play, 4 years of eligibility) and everyone had to follow them or risk punishment if caught not following them. They have relaxed those rules over the past two decades but when they still try to set or enforce rules (no two time transfers) they get chewed up by the courts. It was well known going into this year that two time transfers were not going to be allowed unless in extreme circumstances. It's the legal system and congress that has basically said: you aren't allowed to make or enforce any of the rules. Absent congressional action to re-establish the NCAA as a proper rule making authority college sports will forever be changed...and not for the better.

I think about it this way: - A couple years ago the Supreme Court said there is a lot of revenue in college sports so you need to share it with the players. - NCAA comes up with NIL as a way to share revenue with players that generate the revenue. - Lawyers are now saber-rattling that sharing the revenue only with players that participate in sports that generate the revenue violates Title IX. - NCAA is so concerned about Title IX they are willing to potentially pay every athlete $30k, in addition to scholarships, room and board, etc. It'll be a very unique program that doesn't cut it's Olympic sports to the bone if this all goes through. Nothing more than is required than to stay eligible for D1.

A bunch of people have said it, so this isn't exactly a new point, but to me the only way this makes sense is if the NCAA thinks the current NIL process is going to get destroyed by Title IX concerns. I never like NIL because it was clearly always going to be pay for play, but the one aspect I liked was it allowed a work-around for Title IX. At the end of the day, I don't believe a women's lacrosse player should get paid as much as a football player if players are going to get paid. But this new proposal is an attempt to get the non-revenue sports a modicum of pay for play and the suggested starting price is $30k per player. There is no way the football schools like this proposal UNLESS they know the courts are going to blow it all up so might as well try and get in front of it before that happens.