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Thicks, here is another story about a kid from George Mason who played his freshmen year and the fall semester of his sophomore year. The article claims he will have 2 1/2 years of eligibility left.

Nark, thank you for providing me with a way to find evidence to back up my contention. The article was wrong. According to his bio with Florida Atlantic, where he transferred, he left George Mason after two games of his sophomore year and then sat out the first 11 games of his junior year at FAU. He's a senior this year. So the math is as follows:

2005-06: freshman @ George Mason -- 1 yr.

2006-07: sophomore @ George Mason -- 2 games (1/2 yr.)

2007-08: junior @ Florida Atlantic -- missed first 11 games (1/2 yr.)

2008-90: senior @ Florida Atlantic -- 1 yr.

That adds up to three years.

I rest my case.

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Nark, thank you for providing me with a way to find evidence to back up my contention. The article was wrong. According to his bio with Florida Atlantic, where he transferred, he left George Mason after two games of his sophomore year and then sat out the first 11 games of his junior year at FAU. He's a senior this year. So the math is as follows:

2005-06: freshman @ George Mason -- 1 yr.

2006-07: sophomore @ George Mason -- 2 games (1/2 yr.)

2007-08: junior @ Florida Atlantic -- missed first 11 games (1/2 yr.)

2008-90: senior @ Florida Atlantic -- 1 yr.

That adds up to three years.

I rest my case.

I always assumed otherwise. If you are correct then this is the dumbest decision ever. Why not stay on the team and get better, learn from the coaches and then leave at the end of the year as a better player rather than sit our for a year and lose an extra semester of eligibility?

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I always assumed otherwise. If you are correct then this is the dumbest decision ever. Why not stay on the team and get better, learn from the coaches and then leave at the end of the year as a better player rather than sit out for a year and lose an extra semester of eligibility?

Exactly. It's a hasty decision. And what makes him think he's going to immediately garner more playing time and a higher scoring average at whatever school he transfers to (unless he's going to drop in level, in which case I don't know how the mid-year transfer will affect the timing of his eligibility)?
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Why do have to "trash" one player to praise another? Kyle Cassity, who's played only seven games in his career -- he's still just a freshman -- has NOT been horrid on either end of the floor. Just because he has yet to excel or distinguish himself doesn't make him horrid yet.

Totally agree with you and to be honest Kyle did not play in the BC game so he has only palyed in 6 games

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There's a difference between transferring at the end of a year and transferring in mid-year. When you transfer at the end of a year, the year you sit out in residence can be your redshirt year, thus you retain eligibility. If you transfer in mid-year, it's too late to use your redshirt from the first season, and if you play the second half of the season at the new school, you're not using a redshirt then, either. If you were to use your redshirt, you could sit out a year and a half and have three years of eligibility remaining, but even then you would play just 3 1/2 years. Someone who transfers mid-year would never be able to play four full years.

I was looking at this from the standpoint of when he could be able to play at a D-1 school again, not the years he could play overall. Because this situation is basically about wanting to play more somewhere else, along with some other issues.

Sorry for that confusion.

I don't know what the rule is for if he were to transfer to a JUCO. I don't think he could leave the JUCO in the middle of next season and be eligible to play somewhere right away. Maybe his best bet is to take the next semester off, spend an entire year at a JUCO (his sophomore year) and then go to a D-1 school after that. Under that scenario, I would think he'd have three full years to play somewhere else (one at JUCO, then two at D-1 school). I wonder if he redshirts at a JUCO for one year if he would retain that third year of D-1 eligibility. That happens with JUCO football players.

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Dear Mr. Thicks; thou art wrong. if a player plays one second, and stays at the school, then it is true--an entire year is lost. But if you transfer at the semester break, you have used only one half a year of eligibility.

Cotto can transfer and play spring semester of 2010--which is next year's conference schedule. this is why he is announcing right now, so he is out of here by Christmas. Keep your eyes open and you will notice lots of these announcements in the next week or 2. If you want out somewhere, now's the time to do it.

One other thing: if anyone believes this is simply Cotto's brainiac decision regarding playing time, you might want to consider alternative explanations. And call me, because I have some low level swampy acreage in New Jersey for sale.

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Dear Mr. Thicks; thou art wrong. if a player plays one second, and stays at the school, then it is true--an entire year is lost. But if you transfer at the semester break, you have used only one half a year of eligibility.

Cotto can transfer and play spring semester of 2010--which is next year's conference schedule. this is why he is announcing right now, so he is out of here by Christmas. Keep your eyes open and you will notice lots of these announcements in the next week or 2. If you want out somewhere, now's the time to do it.

One other thing: if anyone believes this is simply Cotto's brainiac decision regarding playing time, you might want to consider alternative explanations. And call me, because I have some low level swampy acreage in New Jersey for sale.

How am I wrong? This post provides evidence that I'm correct. He won't be a freshman next year and he won't have 3.5 years left to play.
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If all that you say is true, at the very minimum Cotto could sit out all of next year and then have 3 years of eligibility left after that right?

Sounds like thicks is right in the sense that Ruben will likely have 3 years left; how the staff of his next school wants to use it is up to them, but if he started in the second semester next year, he would only be able to play his first semester of his SR. year. So, he probably will sit for the next 1.5 years before playing again.

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Sounds like thicks is right in the sense that Ruben will likely have 3 years left; how the staff of his next school wants to use it is up to them, but if he started in the second semester next year, he would only be able to play his first semester of his SR. year. So, he probably will sit for the next 1.5 years before playing again.

Unless things have changed in the past few years (and if they did someone likely would have already posted it), then Thicks is right. RC can play in the second semester next year but it will be as a sophomore. I'm uncertain if he could take a RS and have no idea about the Juco route and redshirts.

satrap, I think you're misunderstanding - the semester next season will count as a full season. Transfers then don't stop playing at the end of the first semester a year or two later.

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Sounds like thicks is right in the sense that Ruben will likely have 3 years left; how the staff of his next school wants to use it is up to them, but if he started in the second semester next year, he would only be able to play his first semester of his SR. year. So, he probably will sit for the next 1.5 years before playing again.

The rule is pretty simple. As soon as Cotto stepped on the court this year, he used a full year of eligibility. He needs to sit out a full year before he can play again. Since he is transferring after first semester, he can sit out a year and then play second semester of next season if he wishes. Once he steps on the court during second semester, he will use his second year of eligibility. He would then have two full years left to play after that.

There are no "half years" of eligibility. If he plays a half year next year, he uses a full year of eligibility.

He could elect to sit out all of next year and return to action the following year and he would have three full years left to play. Bottom line is that he has either 2 and a half years left if he chooses to play second semester next year, or he has three full years left if he chooses to sit out all next year and then play three years after that.

Illinois has a player in a similar situation: Alex Legion, the transfer from Kentucky. He played during the first semester at Kentucky, then transferred. One year of eligibility used. He sat out a year and is eligible to play for Illinois next week. Once he steps on the court against Detroit, year two is used. He then has two more years after this one.

I reiterate that players cannot split up their elibility into half year chunks. A player like Legion may only play a half year this year, but it uses up a whole year of eligibility.

On a side note, I am sorry that you are losing Cotto. I was interested in following his progress at SLU.

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If Cotto transfers to say Eastern Ill (just as an example), he will be eligible to play in the Spring of '10, however, he would be classified as a Soph. He would then play his Jr and Sr years. He would basically use up his eligiblity in 4 calendar years, while only actually being on the court for 3.

If Cotto transfers to say John A Logan CC (just as an example), he could play as soon as classes start in the Spring of '09. He could stay there for his Soph year, and then sign with another D1 school for his Jr & Sr year.

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Thicks, I think you are actually right sir. If Cotto transfers to another D1 school, he wont be eligible to play until 2nd semester. He will be classified as a sophomore at that point. Once he finishes that season he will have used up 2 years of eligibility, but only played two semesters. He would have 2 years of eligibility remaning. If you play a semester or a certain percentage of games, it counts as a season unless you get some kind of exception from the NCAA. No matter what happens from now on, if Cotto leaves, he will be a sophomore next time he steps on the court. Happens all time, Micah Downs from Kansas to Gonzaga, Jason Conley from VMI to Mizzou. I hate when players do this because they are transferring for playing time, but actually losing a full year by playing only 2 semesters, but losing two years. If they finish the year, they would be able to transfer, sit out a year and then still have 3 remaining. What some freshman do in that situation is stick the year out, go to a JUCO so that they can play right away and then transfer back to D1. Kansas City's Marcu Walker did this and SLU's own Randy Pulley did this as well.

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one road that hasnt been explored is transferring out of d-1. if cotto would show up at a d-2 school or an naia school, i beleive he could start playing today (provided his release paperwork, etc is in order) and not lose a bit of eligibility.

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one road that hasnt been explored is transferring out of d-1. if cotto would show up at a d-2 school or an naia school, i beleive he could start playing today (provided his release paperwork, etc is in order) and not lose a bit of eligibility.

Watching him briefly- and I am no scout- and having watched UMSL a few times over the past 4 years, I think he would fit in very well in the Great Lakes Conf. Their guards are usually quite good and the level of play extremely high.

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I apologize for slamming thicks, and for being wrong. at least it sounds like I am wrong. no big deal to apologize.

(real men apologize!)

itf this is the case, then the reason people transfer now is to be able to play sooner (spring 2010) but it is even more of a bonehead move, in terms of losing an entire year of eligibility by playing in just a few games. (in Cotto's case, about a month's worth).

Again, is it all on Cotto? dubious....

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I apologize for slamming thicks, and for being wrong. at least it sounds like I am wrong. no big deal to apologize.

(real men apologize!)

itf this is the case, then the reason people transfer now is to be able to play sooner (spring 2010) but it is even more of a bonehead move, in terms of losing an entire year of eligibility by playing in just a few games. (in Cotto's case, about a month's worth).

Again, is it all on Cotto? dubious....

I'm still fuming about you running werewolves out off the SLU community. If I hear this same thing is happening with ogres, you got some splainin' to do.

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one road that hasnt been explored is transferring out of d-1. if cotto would show up at a d-2 school or an naia school, i beleive he could start playing today (provided his release paperwork, etc is in order) and not lose a bit of eligibility.

I don't know if this is right, but I think it is, so take it for what that's worth: I think that you can't transfer down to D2 during the year and be eligible immediately. I think if he transferred to UMSL he still wouldn't be eligible for the Spring, but he would be eligible in the Fall of '09 as a Soph and would be able to play 3 years there - but he would not be eligible immediately. I think that there is a rule not allowing players to be eligible that transfer down to D2 in the middle of the year.

I don't think any rules really apply if he went to an NAIA school, as they aren't sanctioned by the NCAA. I assume he could play tomorrow, literally, at an NAIA school.

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I apologize for slamming thicks, and for being wrong. at least it sounds like I am wrong. no big deal to apologize.

(real men apologize!)

itf this is the case, then the reason people transfer now is to be able to play sooner (spring 2010) but it is even more of a bonehead move, in terms of losing an entire year of eligibility by playing in just a few games. (in Cotto's case, about a month's worth).

Again, is it all on Cotto? dubious....

This board has been really good in analyzing this news. I will add that I agree that this is not a good decision by the player or his family. It is ALWAYS best, as a young person, to develop patience- even if it it's not what you'd consider "just"- and playing and practicing through the full conference season and finishing the academic year at SLU would have been nothing but good for him.

It's just too bad that cooler heads can't prevail more often in these situations.

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