JMM28 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 MB - you're possibly the only one that I've seen say Grichuk has a plus range, plus arm, and plus speed. I have also not seen many people deny that he projects to have plus power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 MB - you're possibly the only one that I've seen say Grichuk has a plus range, plus arm, and plus speed. I have also not seen many people deny that he projects to have plus power. Ricky Horton pointed out last night that Grichuk has speed when he beat out an infield hit. And I don't know where you have been but experts all over have cited Grichuk's plus arm and excellent range, glove skills and instincts in the outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 If his range and instincts were really all that excellent, he would've been an everyday center fielder in the minors. He wasn't. He hasn't hit .300 since Rookie ball six years ago. He also hasn't managed a .900 OPS or even a .500 SLG since then. If you are into Bill James and sabermetrics, you should know that you can't just ignore the fact that he strikes out four times as often as he walks and had a .310 OBP in the high minors. The only guys in recent memory to have long major league careers with an offensive profile like that are the Juan Samuels and Alfonso Sorianos of the world. In other words, typically far from five tool players who had much better minor league numbers than Grichuk. The first and most important tool is the ability to get on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Can I be of the opinion that neither Grichuk nor Jay are any good? Both are extremely limited although Grichuk at least shows far more potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I think he has a decent arm. I don't know if I would call it a plus arm. Scouting reports are mixed. Some say he has a plus arm; others say his arm is average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Can I be of the opinion that neither Grichuk nor Jay are any good? Both are extremely limited although Grichuk at least shows far more potential. Jay's not going to be an everyday player forever. This latest injury might be the beginning of the end. Nobody outside of Al Hrabosky ever called Jay a star, but he has been a solid everyday CF for five years. So far Grichuk hasn't even proven he can be that. The projections have his OBP well below .300, and he's going to have to hit a lot of homers to make up for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The thing is, Jay has a minus minus minus arm. Worst CF arm, by far, in MLB. Runners go wild when the ball is hit his way. No way to measure that exactly with some formula. I'd give Grichuk an A-, possibly a B+. Clemente, Dawson, Kaline, Mantle, Barfield, Mays, V. Guerrero, those types = A+'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_davola Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The thing is, Jay has a minus minus minus arm. Worst CF arm, by far, in MLB. Runners go wild when the ball is hit his way. No way to measure that exactly with some formula. I'd give Grichuk an A-, possibly a B+. Clemente, Dawson, Kaline, Mantle, Barfield, Mays, V. Guerrero, those types = A+'s. Wasn't it Jay that Beltran called off in the playoffs when the fly ball was CLEARLY the CF's ball? I love how Beltran just took over the play and gunned the guy out at the plate. I'm not a Jay hater or anything, but his arm limitations are/were well known and that arm would have cost us that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Jay's not going to be an everyday player forever. This latest injury might be the beginning of the end. Nobody outside of Al Hrabosky ever called Jay a star, but he has been a solid everyday CF for five years. So far Grichuk hasn't even proven he can be that. The projections have his OBP well below .300, and he's going to have to hit a lot of homers to make up for that. Jay has always been a tough call for me. I feel like literally the only thing he does well is get on base. But that may be the most important thing. He did seem to have a lot of meaningless hits or RBI's, but he still was able to get on base which at the very least puts more stress on the pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschkind Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Sorry to change the topic from the beloved Cardinals, but another professional team in St. Louis had a big night last night. STL FC upset Minnesota United in the Third Round of the US Open Cup. If anyone doesn't know, STL FC is an expansion team in the USL (3rd division) and Minnesota is in the 2nd Division NASL and is about to move up to MLS. STL FC now gets to play Sporting KC in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 STL FC games are an absolute blast. Talent level is not very different from USL to NASL though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschkind Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 STL FC games are an absolute blast. Talent level is not very different from USL to NASL though Yeah, turns out all the USL teams that played NASL teams in this round won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 The Blackhawks win the Stanley Cup again with that coach who wasn't good enough for the Blues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 The Blackhawks win the Stanley Cup again with that coach who wasn't good enough for the Blues. And with a center who we didn't think was better than Eric freaking Johnson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This isn't good. Hope its not true. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/baseball/st-louis-cardinals-hack-astros-fbi.html?_r=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This is a great day. What's more disappointing for Birds fans, the crime or that they didn't do it the right way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This isn't good. Hope its not true. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/baseball/st-louis-cardinals-hack-astros-fbi.html?_r=0 Story just hit CNBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am a huge Cardinals fan but I can't wait to see how the "BFIB" spin this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This will be an interesting test of Manfreds term early. People will be arrested on criminal charges, but will Manfred be more Adam Silver to Donald Sterling or more Goodell to Ray Rice part1 on this? Lost draft picks, fines, losing prospects all has to be on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am a huge Cardinals fan but I can't wait to see how the "BFIB" spin this one. Those types of fans are the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 People say it may have been some rogue employees pissed that Lunhow didn't take them Houston with him. Even if true, it looks terrible for the organization and I'm sure the majority of people won't buy that and will assume the Cardinals are throwing some people under the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am a Cardinals fan and this definitely doesn't look good for the organization but does anybody else find it dumb that Lunhow didn't change the passwords he used from when he was with the Cardinals? That's just not smart. Shoot SLU doesn't allow kids to use the same password that they had like 5 years ago or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This will be an interesting test of Manfreds term early. People will be arrested on criminal charges, but will Manfred be more Adam Silver to Donald Sterling or more Goodell to Ray Rice part1 on this? Lost draft picks, fines, losing prospects all has to be on the table. Cubs still suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am a Cardinals fan and this definitely doesn't look good for the organization but does anybody else find it dumb that Lunhow didn't change the passwords he used from when he was with the Cardinals? That's just not smart. Shoot SLU doesn't allow kids to use the same password that they had like 5 years ago or something. Plus 1 to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am a Cardinals fan and this definitely doesn't look good for the organization but does anybody else find it dumb that Lunhow didn't change the passwords he used from when he was with the Cardinals? That's just not smart. Shoot SLU doesn't allow kids to use the same password that they had like 5 years ago or something. Agree. Regardless someone in the Cards organization was up to no good, but how you get to be a GM with that kind of common sense is comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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