doowop Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Ill ask for the 3rd time - what did this have to do with SLU?You are asking the wrong people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 You are asking the wrong people. The "right" people refuse to listen to anyone who disagrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I don't know if you can get to this if you don't have a Twitter handle, but there's a statement in this feed from one of the organizing groups as to why they were on campus: https://twitter.com/tribex_stl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Of course who is going to pay the money for what the Prez authorized? SLU had nothing to do with the protests yet will be spending University funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Of course who is going to pay the money for what the Prez authorized? SLU had nothing to do with the protests yet will be spending University funds. What funds? What was conceded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I always thought if you were to protest, you had to off the property? If I was going to protest somebody, I couldn't do it on their front lawn I would have to do it on the street of sidewalk in front of their house. Whether you agree with this protest or not, will this open the doors for other protests to be on campus in central areas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 There were 13 concessions- some of which were to hire a diversity assistant to the president, to hold a national diversity conference, plus 11 others. This was not mentioned in the letter sent to the parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 There were 13 concessions- some of which were to hire a diversity assistant to the president, to hold a national diversity conference, plus 11 others. This was not mentioned in the letter sent to the parents. SLU may become more diverse as a result of some of the concessions. Oh the horror! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I am 100% fine with concessions. It is better than the alternative which we have seen in other places of, "don't change anything, bring in a police presence and pray for an early winter". SLU earns an absolute A+ for crisis management. I am not sure if this acts as a benefit for SLU but it definitely avoids potential disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It opens a can of worms for future protests. SLU is diverse and who is funding the concessions. This was extortion money to get them off campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 SLU may become more diverse as a result of some of the concessions. Oh the horror! Who said that? I think people are frustrated because OUR University was dragged into this mess when it had nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Well since the Cardinals lost, the Rams suck, and the Blues can't get past the 1st round of the playoffs, I guess it's the basketball team's responsibility to save the city by uniting everyone and capturing the city with their Final Four run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 There were 13 concessions- some of which were to hire a diversity assistant to the president, to hold a national diversity conference, plus 11 others. This was not mentioned in the letter sent to the parents. Then this is not good for SLU. Fail. Oh, we didn't want a scene. OCCUPY SLU: protest, threaten, occupy, deface, intimidate, and cha-ching you get financial and other concessions. Extortion. This happens a lot these days. Have you noticed? Give them something to go away or they will show up in front of your business (whatever) and boycott, protest, threaten. Even if they are completely wrong and their protests are unfounded, it is best to give them $$$$$ to go away, or they will play "the card" on you. So far, all we know for sure is a 6'4" 294 man on pot strong arm robbed a store and was stopped walking in the middle of a street and apparently assaulted a cop, then was shot. Let's wait for the Grand Jury and evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I hope the Sig Ep, SAEs, SigmaChis, KDs, Gamma Phis, etc. are all protesting at the clock tower next week. Maybe they could finally settle that whole problem of certain fraternities getting funding from the school and most not. SLU gets a C in crisis management from me. The new president has set a bad precedent for groups that are unhappy on campus. Just sit around the clocktower and you'll get what you want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 SLU handled this very well and thank goodness the "firehouse" crowd didn't win. Fear lost out. A college campus actually seems like a very natural place to have demonstrations and discussions. When I checked on the web cam, I usually saw what appeared to be demonstrators and students having very civil discussions. Talking is good. Sweeping issues under the rug never solves anything. Some of the tough guy talk on here and what I've read elsewhere cracks me up. SLU seemed guided by their Jesuit principles in the way they handled this. Some of the students and alumni who seemed to be calling for a confrontation or a fanning of the flames, forget or don't seem to care about the whole Jesuit thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 JMM - I classify the scenario surrounding these protests as 100% unprecedented. This movement has the attention of the entire nation and holds the potential to affect SLU positively or negatively for decades. Other unhappy groups (like fraternities) do not compel the national media machine like the Ferguson movement does. SLU operated in a completely different manner which was the right move IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 There were 13 concessions- some of which were to hire a diversity assistant to the president, to hold a national diversity conference, plus 11 others. This was not mentioned in the letter sent to the parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Were any of these same groups the ones who protested at the Rams game yesterday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Who said that? I think people are frustrated because OUR University was dragged into this mess when it had nothing to do with it. There is definitely a tone from some on this thread that SLU has not handled this well or shouldn't have given any concessions. To me the issue isn't about whether I'm happy that the protesters came to SLU; because I'm not. Pestello definitely didn't ask for this to happen. But once it did happen, he did a pretty good job of handling the situation. In my opinion, his solution was far superior to the solution proposed by some to kick them off immediately, with force if necessary. So if people want to post about how unfair it is that the protesters came to SLU then so be it. But that's not really debatable. What is debatable is how one should handle the situation and in my book SLU did a very good job of handling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 JMM - I classify the scenario surrounding these protests as 100% unprecedented. This movement has the attention of the entire nation and holds the potential to affect SLU positively or negatively for decades. Other unhappy groups (like fraternities) do not compel the national media machine like the Ferguson movement does. SLU operated in a completely different manner which was the right move IMO. The movement HAd the attention. They blew it, frankly. Ferguson is out of the news cycle. SLU kicking them off campus might have warranted a 2nd page story in the Post Dispatch (better than the bball team usually gets,) but wouldn't have registered on the national radar whatsoever. A survey of the top news sites right now shows no mention of Ferguson or St Louis on CNN, FoxNews, and NPR. MSNBC and the Huff Post obviously have some things on there. STLToday has a few things, the biggest being the protesters accosting drunk Rams fans after the game while some hillbillies respond with Darren Wilson chants. I am just not super impressed with the handling like some folks are. I don't think a Biondi handling would have been good either. But to commit to some sort of affirmative action in hiring professors, wasting the presidents time twice a month with meetings and steering committees, and others is not a great outcome. Why should SLU be responsible for K-12 anything in Normandy and Shaw? That is the responsibility of the local government and school district. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I guess I don't love that SLU seems to be hiding these concessions that they made. No word of anything specific or an already written contract in the email from Pestello. Only reason people know is because the OccupySLU twitter account tweeted that picture and then immediately took it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I don't know what it stands for but M-Slice is a cool name for a group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 What concessions did they really make? The agreement was only to advance dialogue and collaboration on those 13 issues. It says nothing about SLU unilaterally funding these items. Would you rather have had SLU evict the protesters by force or have them still on campus if a no true bill comes from the grand jury in next few days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Any truth to the rumor that the protesters tried to get SLU to concede to joining the MVC as part of this deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I am 100% fine with concessions. It is better than the alternative which we have seen in other places of, "don't change anything, bring in a police presence and pray for an early winter". SLU earns an absolute A+ for crisis management. I am not sure if this acts as a benefit for SLU but it definitely avoids potential disaster. +1 I don't see how anyone can be mad about how the University handled this, they handled it with absolute excellence. Seems like most of the people who are angry with the admin are the same ones who were calling for riot police and fire hoses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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