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  1. IF/When Schertz is announced as the SLU coach, can we get Marque Perry to make the announcement? That would be some next level trolling of Louisville.
  2. Ideally I'd love a squeaky clean character guy who can win big at SLU, but I don't think that is realistic / actually exists. I'd much rather have a coach like Pearl, Sampson, or Wade who got in trouble for recruiting violations than a guy like Greg Marshall who has never in trouble with the NCAA, but has been accused of verbal & physical abuse of his players or even. I'm not quite win at all costs, but give me a guy who wins & whose players love him regardless of his track record of NCAA violations.
  3. Per Wikipedia (I know...), Wade has a 2 year show-cause penalty that was handed out June 22, 2023. I'm not sure if McNeese has to abide by that since they hired him prior to the show-cause. Regardless, it may be scaring off potential suitors. Wade may also be thinking if he stays at McNeese another year & wins, he can have his pick of any job openings he wants next go around and also not have the show-cause to worry about. @billiken_roy on the one hand, I get not wanting to hire Wade because of his recruiting violations. On the other hand, all that stuff is legal now, so it is kind of silly to take that stance. Wade has won at every stop. If Schertz is out and we want a proven winer, Wade is the guy show-cause be damned. As others have pointed out guys like Bruce Pearl & Kelvin Sampson have done pretty well after being hit with show-cause penatlies.
  4. Honestly, why don't we just pivot to Will Wade (who should've been the obvious hire at Louisville)? I doubt that will happen, but after looking up his track record after seeing the "unproven" stuff, he's a far better candidate (on paper) than Schertz. NCAA tournament in 6/9 (7/10 if you count the COVID year LSU most likely would have made it) years as a HC, 3/5 at the mid-major level. 4 years he didn't make NCAAs were his 2 at Chattanooga, NIT his 1st year at LSU, and the COVID no tournament year. Since his 2 years at Chattanooga, he hasn't finished below 67 in KenPom. His salary at McNeese was just $700k this past season.
  5. Welp add another school to the list competing with SLU during this coaching search. Rockhurst has a lot to offer with similarities to SLU. Jesuit Urban Campus History of soccer success Located in Missouri Large media market Untapped potential
  6. Tate had that really bad leg injury in 2019. 2019 also was the start of Yuri & Hargrove's careers (also Perkins!). If I'm remember correctly, Corey couldn't really get around because of the injury & SLU lobbied the NCAA to allow Ray Giacoletti who was in a non-assistant coaching role at the time to be able to recruit like an AC since Tate was hurt. I wonder if Tate kind of lost his local recruiting fastball after sitting out that year. To be fair, we DID land Phil Rusell, Jordan Nesbitt, Nick Kramer, Kellen Thames, & Larry Hughes II after 2019. They just haven't panned out as well. We also were able to get Francis Okoro (semi-local) and Javon Pickett to transfer back. I'm also not sure there were many locals we had a shot at landing & missed on that ended up being great elsewhere. Tate is/was really only valuable if there are local 3 star-ish (maybe low 4) prospects who SLU has a shot at. He's likely not going to get us the Caleb Love types and we don't want the Troy Slaten types (to steal a name from a recent MMP episode).
  7. I think there is also some other benefit of raising to profile of your program / making the job more attractive to the next coaching hire. Schertz has shown that Indiana State CAN be successful / win the MVC. The next coach will likely have to do that on his own merit instead of riding Schertz coattails, but the Indiana State job is more attractive now than when Schertz took it. Success also breeds fan interest which brings more money into the program & likely some level of buy-in / honeymoon period for a new coaching hire who excites those fans.
  8. You can do this same analysis with Xavier, but over a longer period of time as @Pistol did on a recent MMP episode. Bob Staak 1985, Pete Gillen 1994, Skip Prosser 2001, Thad Matta 2004, Sean Miller 2009, Chris Mack 2018 were all hired away by high major programs. It wasn't until Travis Steele that they fired a coach. 6 coaches in a 34 year window moving on to a higher profile (at the time) job. You can also go back further with VCU to Jeff Capel being hired by Oklahoma in 2006. 5 coaches in an 18 year window moving on to a higher profile job. Butler is another example, but a little different because they usually hired from within. Barry Collier 2000, Matta 2001, Todd Lickliter 2007, Brad Stevens 2013, Brandon Miller (dud), and Chris Holtmann (2017). 5 out of 6 coaches in an 18 year window moving on to a higher profile job. Heck Creighton an example over a longer stretch of time. Eddie Sutton 1974, Tom Apke 1981, Willis Reed (sort of), Tony Barone, Rick Johnson (dud), Dana Altman 2010. 5 of 6 coaches in 37 years moving on to a higher profile job. You can point out that not all those guys worked out when they moved up a level, but who cares from the perspective of the lower profile school. They got some success out of the guy, got paid for him to be hired elsewhere, and moved on. That is the formula. Put non-coach resources in place to be successful / attract a good, young, up & coming coach, make a good hire of a good, young up & coming coach, don't worry about that coach moving on, re-invest in the program when it has success and that coach gets bought out, rinse, repeat. Eventually you hope to be in a position where the coach is happy enough & your program is big enough that they decide to stay (Gonzaga). That's the dream, but it happens organically & could take a few cycles of hiring good young coaches for it to happen or it may never happen & that's okay too.
  9. Your post sent me down a rabbit whole of searching Otzelberberg on the board and reading through the coaching search threads from 2016....and holy this post you made almost 8 years ago! It should be noted that Otzelberger has now coached at 3 different schools during Ford's tenure. I highly doubt he'd still be at SLU, but that's fine. Use us a stepping stone & then we just keep making good coaching hires. That route has been successful for a lot more programs we consider our peers than a route of trying to get a coach who will stay forever.
  10. If I'm making a college head coaching hire, I'd honestly be more inclined to hire a guy who is recommended by a bunch of high level AAU coaches, international youth level coaches, and/or high level Juco coaches than a guy recommended by NBA head coaches and blue blood college head coaches. I'm not saying the first guys exists, just that recommendations from the latter group shouldn't carry a ton of weight just because of their celebrity status.
  11. If SLU does indeed hire Schertz for the job, we 100% need to get Nickelodeon on the line to do a "Salute Your Schertz" night / Nickelodeon kids TV broadcast from Chaifetz Arena. Bring in Michael Bower aka Donkeylips to do color commentary. You're welcome fellow 90s Nick kids / Billiken fans.
  12. Reminder: 2023 Salaries per some quick Google research: Kelsey - $1.1 million May - $1.25 million Sprinkle - $900k DeVries - $630k Travis Ford - $2.34 million All these guys would be adding at least a million to their salaries. If they don't get P6 jobs, they'd be crazy to think that SLU is not a step up & jump at the chance for a million dollar+ raise.
  13. Oh man. That sucks. MBM prayers for the 4 year old (and for the rest of the family's sanity). As a parent, kids getting sick is a nightmare. You do what you can, but the kid still feels miserable, so you feel miserable.
  14. His interview Podcasts are cringey & awkward as hell which goes right along with what you are saying. Honestly, why TF is May even the ones doing those interviews?
  15. I'd disagree with this. Rick brought in some guys who weren't total gym rats / not "ready to absorb his coaching". Those guys (mostly) just transferred out. If you didn't execute the way Rick demanded, you'd probably sit & he'd make things not very fun for you in practice. Guys like Cody Ellis & Mike McCall I think are examples who stuck it out despite tough love. I'm assuming guys like Ruben Cotto, Brett Thompson, Justin Jordan, etc. all left because they weren't "ready to absorb his coaching".
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