TheA_Bomb Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 You're picking the word "Africans" in his message board post to say he's a dick and racist? Over-reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 OK. African Americans. So I married an Irish American woman, then. And I think MLK deserves recognition, commemoration, especially as compared to the ones in question. So, answer the bullet point questions, then, ACE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 You really are a d!ck. They are African-Americans, even though you probably don't like it. So much garbage in your post... where to begin. I look at that picture of MLK at West Pine and I shudder to think what NB73 would have thought about it back then. Here's a clue you may want to consider, by continually using rhetoric like "agitators", "invaders" and "Africans" you are only adding credibility to the claims of those you despise so much. But really Black would be the more inclusive term if that's what you're going for.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Perhaps an Asian statue could be a group smoking cigs, walking 5 wide and place it right in the middle of the sidewalk blocking everything. Commemorating the Asian influence at SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Perhaps an Asian statue could be a group smoking cigs, walking 5 wide and place it right in the middle of the sidewalk blocking everything. Commemorating the Asian influence at SLU.Unreal. High five! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I wish people wouldn't quote MB73 when replying. Because then my ignore settings get thrown off. And I'm horrified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I'm pretty sure the "Clock Tower Accords" led to Apple's introduction of racially diverse emojis. It's been holding back society for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Perhaps an Asian statue could be a group smoking cigs, walking 5 wide and place it right in the middle of the sidewalk blocking everything. Commemorating the Asian influence at SLU. This. Asians roll deep in cig smoke at DU, too. Rich as fuok, smoke all day, play red rover with ANYBODY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Perhaps an Asian statue could be a group smoking cigs, walking 5 wide and place it right in the middle of the sidewalk blocking everything. Commemorating the Asian influence at SLU. I probably should not have laughed at this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You're picking the word "Africans" in his message board post to say he's a dick and racist? Over-reaction. You think it is acceptable that he has used that term on numerous occasions, including a reference to the "African invasion"? I'm the one called out for over-reacting? You are certainly entitled to excuse what MB said and look the other way. Have at it. I think back to something roy used to remind people - that families of recruits and players could be reading the board. We are all brought together by interest in a sport where the demographics of the players are majority African American or black if you prefer. Especially with that reality, people think it is ok MB uses that rhetoric on this board? Embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 OK. African Americans. So I married an Irish American woman, then. And I think MLK deserves recognition, commemoration, especially as compared to the ones in question. So, answer the bullet point questions, then, ACE. Why have you chosen to use the "Africans" on numerous occasions and cut out the word Americans? Predictably, I figured you would try to twist my question and compare MLK to the protestors. My question is what would you have thought of MLK back in 1964? Would you have been happy he was on campus? A lot of conservatives (from both political parties) considered him an "agitator"? Not sure how old you are and it's easy to now say you would have been on board with MLK, but be honest... you would have been on board with the sit-ins, the marches, Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act? You would have been on board with all that stuff back then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Why have you chosen to use the "Africans" on numerous occasions and cut out the word Americans? Predictably, I figured you would try to twist my question and compare MLK to the protestors. My question is what would you have thought of MLK back in 1964? Would you have been happy he was on campus? A lot of conservatives (from both political parties) considered him an "agitator"? Not sure how old you are and it's easy to now say you would have been on board with MLK, but be honest... you would have been on board with the sit-ins, the marches, Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act? You would have been on board with all that stuff back then? There has been controversy, even lately, about the proper term to be used. So why is it such a big deal to you, douchb*g? (term for "ACE") "Predictably", you did not answer the bullet point questions because you cannot, and you twist it to a discussion of what my thoughts were when I was in grade school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 There has been controversy, even lately, about the proper term to be used. So why is it a big deal to you, douchb*g? (term for "ACE") "Predictably", you did not answer the bullet point questions because you cannot, and you twist it to a discussion of what my thoughts were when I was in grade school. Be honest first and answer my questions. Then I would be happy to address your ridiculous 4th bullet point. There is controversy about whether using "Africans" and eliminating "Americans" is acceptable or not? Please, tell us more about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Reactionaries are usually fully on board with progress three or four decades after the fact. Soon some of them might even get around to embracing the post-Stonewall efforts of gay rights advocates like Harvey Milk. You just have to give them time to catch up when the world passes them by. And it's especially funny to hear the same people who demonize Barack Obama as a "Muslim atheist socialist" today claim to support the ideals of Market Luther King, a self-proclaimed socialist who denied the divinity of Christ and viewed the events portrayed in the Bible as allegory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 97.5+% of the many, many people I have talked to, heard from, are embarrassed, even outraged, even quite a few lefties, they know what happened. Many cannot state it directly or they will be branded at work and that is awkward these days. The men who declared their withdrawal from further donations publicly were mostly > 60 types who had nothing to lose. Others hide in the shadows. Donations will still go down, but no reasons will be cited in most instances. This cloak and dagger conspiracy stuff is by far my favorite part of the MB73 routine. It sounds like the 9/11 truther stuff at times. "We know the truth; we're just scared to say it out loud." SLU is getting national attention (positive, for once) over Pestello's leadership. It is sad that some people are angered by that, but highly predictable that it is a few old white men over the age of 60 who are trying to lead the charge against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Be honest first and answer my questions. Then I would be happy to address your ridiculous 4th bullet point. There is controversy about whether using "Africans" and eliminating "Americans" is acceptable or not? Please, tell us more about that. You criticized my post with anger, called me a name, did not really respond to my post's content. I asked you to address the bullet point questions in the post, so go ahead, answer the questions, all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 This is another hallmark of the routine I find endearing. Spend months on end branding anyone who disagrees with you "thugs," "African agitators," and worse, but the minute somebody calls you out on that rhetoric, they're the one calling names... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 No, the publicity for SLU is not positive, nice try, it is mostly negative; sure some well spun articles will say so. Interesting how freely a few lightweights on here mock old white guys, that is OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Reactionaries are usually fully on board with progress three or four decades after the fact. Soon some of them might even get around to embracing the post-Stonewall efforts of gay rights advocates like Harvey Milk. You just have to give them time to catch up when the world passes them by. And it's especially funny to hear the same people who demonize Barack Obama as a "Muslim atheist socialist" today claim to support the ideals of Market Luther King, a self-proclaimed socialist who denied the divinity of Christ and viewed the events portrayed in the Bible as allegory. Exactly. Notice NB73 has totally steered clear of my MLK question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 No, the publicity for SLU is not positive, nice try, it is mostly negative; sure some well spun articles will say so. Interesting how freely a few lightweights on here mock old white guys, that is OK. Yes, the publicity for SLU is absolutely positive. Universities from all over the nation are praising Pestello's handling of the situation, including the backlash from a handful of people trying to throw money around. Old white guys are no different than most types of people. Some are the salt of the earth, and some like to thump their chest over stuff like this because they're desperate to find something to make them feel important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Exactly. Notice NB73 has totally steered clear of my MLK question. Be careful. Actual, historical figures of guys from MLK to George Washington to ____ (insert your favorite name here) are first and foremost human beings -- no one is perfect and the person(s) are complex and evolving over time. George Washington owned slaves and probably did some other horrible things during his lifetime, At the same time, his leadership in battle, politics and government is commendable and hence the public image created of him as the First President, Founding Father and accomplished General deserves our respect. No one honors his birthday and makes favorable statements of him as a means of supporting/condoning slavery, as favoring the Masons over Christianity and other such bad behavior. Likewise, the public image of Martin Luther King is probably farther removed from the actual, historical figure of MLK. Inspiring a movement and a nation, and then being gunned down in your prime has a way of doing this. And likewise, even if you are correct about his personal view of God/religion, no one honors MLK for those reasons either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Be careful. Actual, historical figures of guys from MLK to George Washington to ____ (insert your favorite name here) are first and foremost human beings -- no one is perfect and the person(s) are complex and evolving over time. George Washington owned slaves and probably did some other horrible things during his lifetime, At the same time, his leadership in battle, politics and government is commendable and hence the public image created of him as the First President, Founding Father and accomplished General deserves our respect. No one honors his birthday and makes favorable statements of him as a means of supporting/condoning slavery, as favoring the Masons over Christianity and other such bad behavior. Likewise, the public image of Martin Luther King is probably farther removed from the actual, historical figure of MLK. Inspiring a movement and a nation, and then being gunned down in your prime has a way of doing this. And likewise, even if you are correct about his personal view of God/religion, no one honors MLK for those reasons either.And therefore Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Be careful. Actual, historical figures of guys from MLK to George Washington to ____ (insert your favorite name here) are first and foremost human beings -- no one is perfect and the person(s) are complex and evolving over time. George Washington owned slaves and probably did some other horrible things during his lifetime, At the same time, his leadership in battle, politics and government is commendable and hence the public image created of him as the First President, Founding Father and accomplished General deserves our respect. No one honors his birthday and makes favorable statements of him as a means of supporting/condoning slavery, as favoring the Masons over Christianity and other such bad behavior. Likewise, the public image of Martin Luther King is probably farther removed from the actual, historical figure of MLK. Inspiring a movement and a nation, and then being gunned down in your prime has a way of doing this. And likewise, even if you are correct about his personal view of God/religion, no one honors MLK for those reasons either. King openly rejected capitalism and preached socialism as the only path to true equality. That was a central part of his message, especially in the last few years of his life, and a big reason he was such a controversial figure before he was martyred. I don't think you have to fully embrace those ideas to admire him, but I do think anyone who claims to admire him should be willing to acknowledge that's what he believed. I think there's a pretty key difference between overlooking a historical figure's personal warts (ie, Washington owning slaves or King committing adultery) and deliberately distorting what they stood for. Pretending King was a conservative, Booker T. Washington-esque advocate of self-reliance (something I hear from white Republicans today) or that George Washington was an abolitionist who believed in racial equality would fall into the latter category. In King's specific case, it's easy to agree with the parts of his message that have already become reality (black people being allowed to vote, no segregated lunch counters and drinking fountains, etc.) while just ignoring the rest of what he stood for (redistribution of wealth including reparations for slavery and Jim Crow, laws protecting organized labor, etc.). Many of those more radical parts of his message are still active political debates and yet they're the ones people ignore. There is a major dissonance between accusing the current President of leaning too close to socialism and heaping praise on an honest-to-goodness socialist like King that I rarely hear conservatives today address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Between MB and HSSmith... I feel like I am reading a debate between salon.com and rightwingnews.com 'journalists'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Exactly. Notice NB73 has totally steered clear of my MLK question. You responded to my post with juvenile attacks, and tried to switch it to a discussion about 1964. I asked you to answer the bullet point questions about Saint Louis University in 2014-2015. You keep asking about 1964. It is because you cannot answer the bullet point questions. Yes, the publicity for SLU is absolutely positive. Universities from all over the nation are praising Pestello's handling of the situation, including the backlash from a handful of people trying to throw money around. Old white guys are no different than most types of people. Some are the salt of the earth, and some like to thump their chest over stuff like this because they're desperate to find something to make them feel important. Universities from all over are praising Pestello's handling of the situation? Oh. That is like when one poster here wrote that the NFL released figures indicating that their players do NOT have a propensity towards criminal violence, the topic focusing on domestic violence at the time, about 18 months ago. GREAT! The NFL says so! Or a limp d*ck shill leader yesterday saying the USA and the whole globe right now are under less threat of violence than ever in the last century. GREAT! Or our leader saying the economy is thriving, blah, blah (-$18 trillion... etcetera). GREAT! You have to be smarter than that, kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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