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Yes. Spot on. He has all offers. Offers to him are essentially meaningless.

Right. Offers are meaningful only as a count of which teams are actually involved in his recruitment. Stony Brook (e.g.) hasn't offered because they have no realistic shot at landing him. But if it turns out Tatum's just in it for the lulz and he calls up Stony Brook asking to play for them, they'll have him signed up on full scholarship before he hangs up the phone.

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Right. Offers are meaningful only as a count of which teams are actually involved in his recruitment. Stony Brook (e.g.) hasn't offered because they have no realistic shot at landing him. But if it turns out Tatum's just in it for the lulz and he calls up Stony Brook asking to play for them, they'll have him signed up on full scholarship before he hangs up the phone.

well... yes, of course, but technically, that full scholarship will only be a one-year renewable deal. regardless of academic, athletic or personal performance, recruits have to understand that a school's obligation to them is only on a year-by-year basis. it's not fair, but that's the way it is. one would hope stony brook would do the right thing and honor a four-year commitment, however.

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I was texting with a friend about this, who is the comparison for Jayson Tatum?

LeBron minus the insane athleticism and physicality or Kevin Durant without the lights out shooting ability? I guess in summary, this is a special talent who as my friend said may not have a real nice direct comparison and may be more of a guy that future propspects get compared to.

I watched Livingston in high school and he and Tatum are very similar. I can't wait to see his games this upcoming year. I won't go so far as to say Tatum is a great shooter. He needs to go up against defenders as athletic and big as he is. Shooting over 5'10 guys is much different than shooting over 6'3 players.

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I watched Livingston in high school and he and Tatum are very similar. I can't wait to see his games this upcoming year. I won't go so far as to say Tatum is a great shooter. He needs to go up against defenders as athletic and big as he is. Shooting over 5'10 guys is much different than shooting over 6'3 players.

Which is so true. I think Jayson is still working on that part of his game. I just don't think it makes sense to say KD was a better shooter at this point in his development. We really have no clue and I highly doubt that he was that much better. There were not KD games really available for us to watch then. KD grew 5 inches that year which I would think had to mess with his shot for a decent period of time.

This much I do know, Jayson Tatum is the best high school prospect entering his junior year from this area in my lifetime.

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I watched Livingston in high school and he and Tatum are very similar. I can't wait to see his games this upcoming year. I won't go so far as to say Tatum is a great shooter. He needs to go up against defenders as athletic and big as he is. Shooting over 5'10 guys is much different than shooting over 6'3 players.

-as is the case with many local bball fans, I would suspect, if Chaminade is going to continue this level of success they could build one heckuva arena as I suspect every home game in their small gym this season will result in fans (many) being turned away as sold out

-unless it is like Yogi Berra said, no body goes there any more because it is too crowded

-Livingston is an interesting comparison

-not sure in how many high school games he will have to shoot over defenders like himself, I guess on the national team and AAU he will get more of that, heck not sure in how many games at SLU he will face that

-FBJT!!!

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Here is a good article summarizing Brandon Jennings experience.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/sports/basketball/24recruit.html?_r=0

There is a reason nobody has done this since Jennings and it will be very interesting to follow Mudiay's situation. I don't think there is going to be a mass exodus but as the NCAA academic requirements get tougher and with the threat of the NBA rule turning into 2 years you might see a few more. Depending on how Mudiay does, I think the other aspect to look at it whether its really worth it for the these foreign teams to invest $1.2 million in a highschool player that likely won't be a major contributor, may quit midway through the season and certainly won't stay with the team for more than 1 year.

A look at what all thatcould end up being at play here.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/will-emmanuel-mudiay-s-jump-to-china-be-the-start-of-a-trend-for-recruits-203740980-nba.html

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-college is not for everyone, so if not for a kid and the kid has options to do something else, go ahead, but I don't want the college rules changed because of a kid or two, but they are :(

-Pitino's comments bother me

-I am glad they mentioned the medical part, I would not want to be that kid and break my ankle and have to go to a Chinese hospital, I see that as a big difference to going to an American hospital and being treated by a doctor of Chinese heritage

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Cook recieved an offer from Mi $$ ou today.

Aren't we at a disadvantage under the new rules that will be in place competing against the State U's of the world. Aren't they going to be able to give more to recruits like Cook, not to mention JT.

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Aren't we at a disadvantage under the new rules that will be in place competing against the State U's of the world. Aren't they going to be able to give more to recruits like Cook, not to mention JT.

Conferences outside of the Power 5 will have the ability to offer the same additional benefits if they choose to do so. The A-10 has previously indicated we would offer the additional benefits.

The key will be whether the power 5 offer relatively small additional benefits, like 5k per player or if somehow they go crazy and open up a free agency model. It seems far more likely to me that they will go the modest route and if so SLU should be able to offer the same benefits.

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I don't see it.

In terms of build and ball skills, Durant. But KD was a better shooter at that stage. Jayson has a great handle for his size and is a very good passer. He is a good, not great, shooter. Athletically, he doesn't match Leonard but he still has decent explosiveness.

Don't try to compare Jayson to KD. They shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath. Do your damn homework before you come into this forum

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Don't try to compare Jayson to KD. They shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath. Do your damn homework before you come into this forum

Nice first post. I can see you are going to get along great with people on this board.

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Nice first post. I can see you are going to get along great with people on this board.

New computer, didn't have my password written down, had to make a new account. I'm a vet, get out of here with that and learn to respect your superiors

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Conferences outside of the Power 5 will have the ability to offer the same additional benefits if they choose to do so. The A-10 has previously indicated we would offer the additional benefits.

The key will be whether the power 5 offer relatively small additional benefits, like 5k per player or if somehow they go crazy and open up a free agency model. It seems far more likely to me that they will go the modest route and if so SLU should be able to offer the same benefits.

And guess who is going to pay for these additional benefits.

This reminds me of the fans who were/are all in favor of free agency in sports resulting in the absurd amounts of money players are being paid in the four major sports. Somehow they were never able to comprehend what this insanity would eventually lead to-much higher ticket/parking/concession prices and most games being shown on cable only stations as opposed to over the air (free) stations.. Now we hear them on the sports call-in shows complaining that the average family has been priced out of going to games-just too expensive. Meanwhile middle -of-the-road relief pitchers, 2nd string NBAers, hockey grinders and backup quarterbacks pull in multi-million dollar contracts.

There is a well-known theory in negotiations referred to as the camel getting his nose under the tent. It has certainly played out as the years of operating under free agency have grown. That's what we are faced with in college sports at this point. Four (and in many cases five) years of free college education has been deemed to not be enough for this group of 18-22 year olds. Be careful what you want-you just might have to pay for it!

As an aside, I do think some of the NCAA rules needed to be updated, such as re-instituting a small ($50-$75) per month laundry/pizza outing payment or allowing the scholarship athletes to earn a small amount of money working. Also, in the revenue producing sports their parents should be allowed 2 or 3 round trip flights (with a cost limit) per year to see their son/daughter play, especially if the team is in the conference postseason or NCAA tournament.

Finally, watch for the gradual elimination of many of the non-revenue producing sports-not immediately but over the next 3-6 years. Somebody/something has to fund the piper. There ain't no free lunch!

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And guess who is going to pay for these additional benefits.

This reminds me of the fans who were/are all in favor of free agency in sports resulting in the absurd amounts of money players are being paid in the four major sports. Somehow they were never able to comprehend what this insanity would eventually lead to-much higher ticket/parking/concession prices and most games being shown on cable only stations as opposed to over the air (free) stations.. Now we hear them on the sports call-in shows complaining that the average family has been priced out of going to games-just too expensive. Meanwhile middle -of-the-road relief pitchers, 2nd string NBAers, hockey grinders and backup quarterbacks pull in multi-million dollar contracts.

There is a well-known theory in negotiations referred to as the camel getting his nose under the tent. It has certainly played out as the years of operating under free agency have grown. That's what we are faced with in college sports at this point. Four (and in many cases five) years of free college education has been deemed to not be enough for this group of 18-22 year olds. Be careful what you want-you just might have to pay for it!

As an aside, I do think some of the NCAA rules needed to be updated, such as re-instituting a small ($50-$75) per month laundry/pizza outing payment or allowing the scholarship athletes to earn a small amount of money working. Also, in the revenue producing sports their parents should be allowed 2 or 3 round trip flights (with a cost limit) per year to see their son/daughter play, especially if the team is in the conference postseason or NCAA tournament.

Finally, watch for the gradual elimination of many of the non-revenue producing sports-not immediately but over the next 3-6 years. Somebody/something has to fund the piper. There ain't no free lunch!

Yes indeed, the changes over time will be vast and will not be in favor of the best interests of everyone. The money does have to come out from somewhere.

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"Absurd" is (or should be) a relative term. Relative to the amount of revenue generated by professional sports today, multimillion dollar contracts for middle-of-the-road relief pitchers or second string NBAers are hardly "absurd." Free agency was one factor in pro sports becoming bigger businesses and creating more revenue than they did 50 years ago, but just one of several. The mere creation of cable television and other media also had a lot to do with it, totally independent of players being allowed to negotiate with owners as free agents.

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As an aside, I do think some of the NCAA rules needed to be updated, such as re-instituting a small ($50-$75) per month laundry/pizza outing payment or allowing the scholarship athletes to earn a small amount of money working. Also, in the revenue producing sports their parents should be allowed 2 or 3 round trip flights (with a cost limit) per year to see their son/daughter play, especially if the team is in the conference postseason or NCAA tournament.

Seems like you agree that the players should be paid but just disagree on how much. Most proposals seem to be based on an amount around $5,000 per year which works out to $416 per month. Adjusted for inflation, that's not that much more than the laundry/pizza money from the 70s.

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