TheChosenOne Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yeah, that's right. Great example. I remember his decommitment from Louisville and was curious to see how that would end up. Quite a coup for LSU, which is putting together a major class. I don't think many people realize just how much sway the big shoe companies have in guiding recruits to schools. I remember the recruitment of Shabazz Muhammad and the thought that Adidas was a major factor in him choosing UCLA over Kentucky. Money talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I don't think many people realize just how much sway the big shoe companies have in guiding recruits to schools. I remember the recruitment of Shabazz Muhammad and the thought that Adidas was a major factor in him choosing UCLA over Kentucky. Money talks. Of Tatum's top 10, it appears that Kansas (adidas) is the only non-Nike school - Arizona, Connecticut, Duke, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Saint Louis, and Wake Forest are all Nike schools. If Nike is indeed his future, that puts KU in a tough spot. He says he'll be trimming his list to 5 around the time AAU season starts. It's going to be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Of Tatum's top 10, it appears that Kansas (adidas) is the only non-Nike school - Arizona, Connecticut, Duke, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Saint Louis, and Wake Forest are all Nike schools. If Nike is indeed his future, that puts KU in a tough spot. He says he'll be trimming his list to 5 around the time AAU season starts. It's going to be interesting. I would bet an arm and a leg that we end up in his top 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I would bet an arm and a leg that we end up in his top 3. -yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 -yours? Only if he commits to SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 If he really wants to help put SLU / St Louis on the map, then I hope he will keep us in his top 2-5 regardless if he actually plans to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Tatum might not be swayed by the national schools like some prospects. He has his Dad and Larry to advise him. And I am sure those guys know the lay of the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If he really wants to help put SLU / St Louis on the map, then I hope he will keep us in his top 2-5 regardless if he actually plans to come here. That is so dumb. If he isn't coming, I'd prefer he tell us immediately so we can stop wasting time and resources recruiting him. Coming in "2nd place" is the worst possible scenario here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 That is so dumb. If he isn't coming, I'd prefer he tell us immediately so we can stop wasting time and resources recruiting him. Coming in "2nd place" is the worst possible scenario here. Disagree.. I'll glady let the #1 player in the country string us along/keep SLU in the conversation as long as he wants. Remember, kshoe, hope can be a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It's coming down to SLU & Duke. Larry is obviously doing his part - hopefully Tatum is swayed. I truly think if Tatum played one season at SLU, each game would be a sell out. St. Louis would be wired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Disagree.. I'll glady let the #1 player in the country string us along/keep SLU in the conversation as long as he wants. Remember, kshoe, hope can be a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. If he strung us along but we didn't waste any resources recruiting him then fine. But that's not how it would be. Instead, Crews and the assistants would make it a point to attend as many of his games as they are allowed and follow him during the AAU season. Those are nights that they could be out watching other local kids like Xavier Sneed or Jordan Goodwin or Wyatt Yess or the kid from East St. Louis or whoever (the names don't really matter). Maybe instead of attending his AAU games next summer they go to a different AAU tourney and find a hidden gem or maybe just making Option B on our recruitment a priority is enough to get him to commit. Its pretty simple economics if you ask me. There is a significant cost to recruiting a player like Jayson Tatum and if there is no possibility of him playing for SLU then there is no benefit. Hope has no benefit. p.s. All this is hypothetical as I believe we should be recruiting him and do have a chance at him, but was merely a response to a poster suggesting we should hope he strings us along only to dump us at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 What good does finishing 2nd do? Does the #72 player the next year suddenly become more interested in SLU because Jayson Tatum almost went there? Do you realize how silly that thought is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 That is so dumb. If he isn't coming, I'd prefer he tell us immediately so we can stop wasting time and resources recruiting him. Coming in "2nd place" is the worst possible scenario here. ........ the #1 kid in the country is talking up your very unknown school (outside of people who really love the Jesuits or are Missouri/East Side STL born)... terrible, TERRIBLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo027 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It is terrible to spend the maximum amount of resources on him and not land him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If he strung us along but we didn't waste any resources recruiting him then fine. But that's not how it would be. Instead, Crews and the assistants would make it a point to attend as many of his games as they are allowed and follow him during the AAU season. Those are nights that they could be out watching other local kids like Xavier Sneed or Jordan Goodwin or Wyatt Yess or the kid from East St. Louis or whoever (the names don't really matter). Maybe instead of attending his AAU games next summer they go to a different AAU tourney and find a hidden gem or maybe just making Option B on our recruitment a priority is enough to get him to commit. Its pretty simple economics if you ask me. There is a significant cost to recruiting a player like Jayson Tatum and if there is no possibility of him playing for SLU then there is no benefit. Hope has no benefit. p.s. All this is hypothetical as I believe we should be recruiting him and do have a chance at him, but was merely a response to a poster suggesting we should hope he strings us along only to dump us at the end. Right. Of course your reasoning is sound/agreeable, my point was mainly that if Tatum gave us the axe tomorrow, we would have a lot less to look forward to/distract us from how hard some of our recent games have been to watch. When Tatum does decide on his destination, the board could also do without the "see, we should never have wasted our time" posts that I'm sure will come (not saying this would be anyone specifically). Personally, I can't imagine seeing a SLU hat on the table in front of Jayson, next to UK/Dook, etc. Wouldn't that be wild to watch, regardless of the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 ........ the #1 kid in the country is talking up your very unknown school (outside of people who really love the Jesuits or are Missouri/East Side STL born)... terrible, TERRIBLE. Finishing 2nd on a few top prospects has really helped Illini recruiting in Champaign. Cliff Alexander showed their hat on ESPN2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I would bet an arm and a leg that we end up in his top 3. What the heck are you going to do with three arms and three legs if you win that bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It is terrible to spend the maximum amount of resources on him and not land him. This is our only chance to land the #1. We will never get this close again. We are not wasting anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACKHANDtheRICAN Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If he really wants to help put SLU / St Louis on the map, then I hope he will keep us in his top 2-5 regardless if he actually plans to come here. Isn't this the worst case scenario that Rick Majerus used to explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Finishing 2nd on a few top prospects has really helped Illini recruiting in Champaign. Cliff Alexander showed their hat on ESPN2! This is getting a little silly. It's pretty obvious, in hindsight, that every school wishes they could reallocate spent money/time elsewhere if a recruit ends up choosing a different program. We aren't in Illinois' class when it comes to recruiting. Tatum is likely the only top 10? 25? 50? 100? recruit we will be in on until when again? It would be wasting resources if we WEREN'T listed in his final 5/10... but we are, and he visits the school every other week. So, I think we'll keep trying. It certainly doesn't hurt us to keep being mentioned as a possible destination for the #1 player in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 This is getting a little silly. It's pretty obvious, in hindsight, that every school wishes they could reallocate spent money/time elsewhere if a recruit ends up choosing a different program. We aren't in Illinois' class when it comes to recruiting. Tatum is likely the only top 10? 25? 50? 100? recruit we will be in on until when again? It would be wasting resources if we WEREN'T listed in his final 5/10... but we are, and he visits the school every other week. So, I think we'll keep trying. It certainly doesn't hurt us to keep being mentioned as a possible destination for the #1 player in the country. You are confusing the debate. The debate is not whether we should continue recruiting him as most everyone believes we should. The debate is whether we should continue recruiting him if we knew with 100% certainty we weren't getting him. I think most rational people would say that is a waste of time and precious resources. A few seem to believe that there is significant value in merely being mentioned with the top prospect or in providing false hope to a fan base that is frustrated right now. To put it in different terms, can anyone describe a single business where someone spends time and effort trying to sell a customer they have 0% chance of getting to purchase something? Businesses that do that go bankrupt very quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Kshoe, there are such businesses. Check the watch issue in Financial Times supplement "How to Spend It." Real name. They have watches advertised for over 200,000 pounds. If this is not enough to convince you that you will never have it, you might want to sign a power of attorney giving someone else control over your bank account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 You are confusing the debate. The debate is not whether we should continue recruiting him as most everyone believes we should. The debate is whether we should continue recruiting him if we knew with 100% certainty we weren't getting him. I think most rational people would say that is a waste of time and precious resources. A few seem to believe that there is significant value in merely being mentioned with the top prospect or in providing false hope to a fan base that is frustrated right now. To put it in different terms, can anyone describe a single business where someone spends time and effort trying to sell a customer they have 0% chance of getting to purchase something? Businesses that do that go bankrupt very quick. Depends what the prospecting expenses are, Kshoe. If he was on the WC or EC and we were flying our "salesman" out there every other week, definitely not. But if the company you are trying to sell has their offices right next door and it costs you a dozen donuts once a week and some time, why not continue to take a shot? Often times, persistence and desire are really good sales tools. That said, do I think we land him? Slim to none, but it's not costing us too much so keep trying anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Depends what the prospecting expenses are, Kshoe. If he was on the WC or EC and we were flying our "salesman" out there every other week, definitely not. But if the company you are trying to sell has their offices right next door and it costs you a dozen donuts once a week and some time, why not continue to take a shot? Often times, persistence and desire are really good sales tools. That said, do I think we land him? Slim to none, but it's not costing us too much so keep trying anyways. So let's take your silly analogy a little further. Let's say that because of your city's rules (i.e. the NCAA), you are allowed to give out only so many donuts and each time you give donuts to one prospect you lose the ability to give donuts to another prospect that is interested purchasing your product (either because of lack of time or the rules of the city). Does it really still make sense to continue giving away donuts and time to a prospect that has told you straight up there is a 0% of doing business? Remember, 0% means 0%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACKHANDtheRICAN Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 So let's take your silly analogy a little further. Let's say that because of your city's rules (i.e. the NCAA), you are allowed to give out only so many donuts and each time you give donuts to one prospect you lose the ability to give donuts to another prospect that is interested purchasing your product (either because of lack of time or the rules of the city). Does it really still make sense to continue giving away donuts and time to a prospect that has told you straight up there is a 0% of doing business? Remember, 0% means 0%. Mods- Please assess 15 warning points to Kshoe for his utter disregard in ***** slapping SLU72. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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