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Crawford is our most consistent offensive player and Ash is our most physically gifted player. The only way to get them on the floor at the same time is for Roby to play the point. He played some point sporadically during A-10 play so there is precedent. Roby didn't show much playmaking ability but frankly neither did the other kids who played point last year. At least with Roby you get a high-level defender.

I've assumed the past three months that Bartley was our starter at point guard next year. However, other than shoot threes, I can't think of anything he does better than Roby. Bishop is the wild card here. If he can defend quick guards maybe he gets the backup minutes at point instead of Bartley. Bartley can stroke it so he will still see playing time at shooting guard in any case. But next year could determine the future of this coaching staff. i don't think they can afford another season of blow bys at the point guard position.

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The question to me is not who starts, but who gets the minutes. Last year both had 55 assists, but Bartley had a better A/TO of 1.25 to 1.10. Neither is stellar, but the options are somewhat limited. We don't have a Jordair Jett type of PG on this team. So I am seeing PG by committee again.

McBroom lead the team with a 1.49 ratio, but very few felt he was the point guard we needed and he is of course history.

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Bartley is the best outside shooter and pure point guard on the team. Why wouldn't you continue to start Bartley at point and Roby on the wing? That gives you a strong bench player in Crawford.

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Bartley is the best outside shooter and pure point guard on the team. Why wouldn't you continue to start Bartley at point and Roby on the wing? That gives you a strong bench player in Crawford.

Exactly! and Crawford hasn't exactly proven that he can be consistent enough to be a starter. Yes, the entire team was inconsistent last season, but Crawford was streakier than most.

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Bartley is the best outside shooter and pure point guard on the team. Why wouldn't you continue to start Bartley at point and Roby on the wing? That gives you a strong bench player in Crawford.

Marcus Bartley? I saw a completely different player. Couldn't defend anyone. Was the worst player at taking a screen I've ever seen. And feel short in any big situation

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Exactly! and Crawford hasn't exactly proven that he can be consistent enough to be a starter. Yes, the entire team was inconsistent last season, but Crawford was streakier than most.

During A10 play, Crawford scored at least 8 points while shooting at least 40% a total of nine times. That's tops on the team.

I don't know if everybody remembers this but Crawford was struggling with health issues the first month of the season:

http://www.foxsports.com/midwest/story/crawford-s-career-night-helps-billikens-hold-off-texas-pan-american-121714

I'm just thinking out loud here. I still want to see Bartley in the rotation. I just think we're a better offensive team with more Crawford and less Bartley. If you can think of a way to keep Bartley at the point and still get Crawford 25 minutes a game, I'm open to suggestions. Every alternative I can think of involves putting Bartley and the Crawford on the floor together for extended minutes, which is defensive suicide.

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I don't think either Bartley or Roby are great options at the point right now. Roby had the worst assist percentage of all our guards during conference play. Bartley turned the ball over at 23% rate during conference play.

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Jordair Jett's assist to turnover ratio was less than 1 his freshman year. Just sayin'.

Jordair's assist percentage in conference play his freshman season was 23.4%. Roby's was 13.3%. Just sayin'.

The problem with Roby and Bartley is they both have one huge hole in their game for someone you want to run the point. Bartley actually does a good enough job of getting his teammates involved, but turns the ball over way too much. Roby does a good job of protecting the ball, but is not good at getting his teammates involved. Both have much bigger holes in their games at this stage than either McCall or Jett did.

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What bothers me about this topic is that we suffered through last year and we did not learn anything regarding who plays this year and where - how can that be? Last year was the time to figure all this out. I will not be happy if we star the year playing musical chairs again at guard.

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Jordair's assist percentage in conference play his freshman season was 23.4%. Roby's was 13.3%. Just sayin'.

The problem with Roby and Bartley is they both have one huge hole in their game for someone you want to run the point. Bartley actually does a good enough job of getting his teammates involved, but turns the ball over way too much. Roby does a good job of protecting the ball, but is not good at getting his teammates involved. Both have much bigger holes in their games at this stage than either McCall or Jett did.

Add to that Bartley can shoot the 3. Roby struggles with 3s. Roby is a force on defense. Bartley struggles on defense. Complete, all-around players are few and far between in recruiting or have to be developed.

If Roby improves his passing and his shooting from beyond the perimiter, he will be the more all around player and get the majority of the playing time. If Bartley improves his defense and his offense progresses as expected, he will take the time away.

The most likely scenario, for me, is that Roby comes back with a better sense of how to protect the ball and distribute it this season. If that happens, I don't even care well he shoots 3s. To me, he comes in with the slight edge.

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Add to that Bartley can shoot the 3. Roby struggles with 3s. Roby is a force on defense. Bartley struggles on defense. Complete, all-around players are few and far between in recruiting or have to be developed.

If Roby improves his passing and his shooting from beyond the perimiter, he will be the more all around player and get the majority of the playing time. If Bartley improves his defense and his offense progresses as expected, he will take the time away.

The most likely scenario, for me, is that Roby comes back with a better sense of how to protect the ball and distribute it this season. If that happens, I don't even care well he shoots 3s. To me, he comes in with the slight edge.

How often do players go from not being a distributor to being a distributor? I could be wrong but I don't think that happens very often.

Roby's TOV% doesn't bother me. It would be nice if it improved, but that isn't the thing that scares me about him playing the point. I just don't think he is the type of player that is suited to have the offense run by.

I like Roby, but I think trying to make him a point guard is a bad idea.

Bartley has a chance to be a decent PG but it is going to take real improvements when it comes to protecting the ball, using screens and playing defense. That is a lot to ask.

The offense is going to have to run through someone, but there are not great options presently on the roster. I have a feeling it is going to be another bad season for the team's offensive efficiency.

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Miles not playing any man to man defense in high school really hurt him. If he could harness the quickness he has into staying in front of his man. I could easily see him supplanting Bartley in the starting line up if Bartley still cannot stay in front of anyone.

Moy and I are basically the only ones on the board who thinks Miles isnt a scrub...

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Miles not playing any man to man defense in high school really hurt him. If he could harness the quickness he has into staying in front of his man. I could easily see him supplanting Bartley in the starting line up if Bartley still cannot stay in front of anyone.

Moy and I are basically the only ones on the board who thinks Miles isnt a scrub...

Reynolds looks very awkward and clumsy. He has a strange gait. That and his complete lack of strength make me doubt his ability to develop.

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Miles not playing any man to man defense in high school really hurt him. If he could harness the quickness he has into staying in front of his man. I could easily see him supplanting Bartley in the starting line up if Bartley still cannot stay in front of anyone.

Moy and I are basically the only ones on the board who thinks Miles isnt a scrub...

Miles certainly is not a scrub. But he only averaged 3 apg on a high school team with God-like talent. He is not a playmaker. He also totally lost confidence in his perimeter shot last year. Reminded me of what happened to Polk.
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In the argument of MR not having a ton of assists in high school, the offense ran more so through Paul White and Jahlil. They didn't set up a ton of sets and had a lot of isolation. It isn't the sole reason why Miles didn't rack up a ton of assists, but it certainly didn't help his numbers as a distributor.

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Davell and Miles hang out with Tatum. As such, Tatum will get to pick his PG of choice.

But right now we're talking about the year when Saint Tatum will still be at Chaminade High.

I suspect there will still be a fairly deep rotation in 2015-16, so even if Roby were to start along side Crawford and Yacoubou, there'd still be PT available for Bartley, Reynolds, and Bishop. My thing is that I'd rather see more time when Yarbrough can play the 3 with Agbeko at the 4. That probably takes either or both of Crawford and Yacoubou off the court.

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Miles not playing any man to man defense in high school really hurt him. If he could harness the quickness he has into staying in front of his man. I could easily see him supplanting Bartley in the starting line up if Bartley still cannot stay in front of anyone.

Moy and I are basically the only ones on the board who thinks Miles isnt a scrub...

Miles is going to prove us right this year.

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