NH Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 +1 I have a hard time believing SLU's overall performance next season will deter or encourage him coming here. He will make it to the NBA no matter where he goes, that's all that matters for him in the long run. If he wants a legacy in STL, he will come to SLU. If that doesn't really matter to him, then fine. He'll just go to Kentucky or UNC and be quickly forgotten. It's more of a momentum thing. There will be a lot more momentum and hype surrounding the program if we have a good year. We will get more love on TV and in the paper. More people will be at our games. We will be more respected by Tatum's peers. These are all things that can factor overtly and subliminally into a recruit's decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Or head over to China for a cool $1.2M. Mudiay has the right idea, even if it's for the wrong reasons. We are going to see much more of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 The national media types have begun pushing that Tatum will choose among Duke, UNC, and UK. All 3 of their head coaches have been attending nearly all of his games the past few weeks. Still SLU has quietly been in the background right next to them. Justin Tatum made some interesting comments and once again singled out SLU's deficiencies in recruiting his son. The article is from a North Carolina site behind a paywall. If the above is true, then I call buulllshit on Justin. I'm confident that SLU has had a coach (most times Coach Crews) present for all but one of Jayson's events/games this summer. There isn't much more SLU can do beyond follow his son around the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 If the above is true, then I call buulllshit on Justin. I'm confident that SLU has had a coach (most times Coach Crews) present for all but one of Jayson's events/games this summer. There isn't much more SLU can do beyond follow his son around the country. Maybe we send a coach to pack for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Or head over to China for a cool $1.2M. Mudiay has the right idea, even if it's for the wrong reasons. Mudiay didn't have a choice. He wasn't going to qualify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludevil Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Mudiay didn't have a choice. He wasn't going to qualify Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabills Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 +1 I have a hard time believing SLU's overall performance next season will deter or encourage him coming here. He will make it to the NBA no matter where he goes, that's all that matters for him in the long run. If he wants a legacy in STL, he will come to SLU. If that doesn't really matter to him, then fine. He'll just go to Kentucky or UNC and be quickly forgotten. I understand that if a legacy is what he absolutely wants and that is his first priority, then he will be at SLU no matter what. But thats probably not the case, or else he would already have left no doubt regarding where he will be. If a team's performance and the caliber of players that will be around him in during his college career didn't outweigh being a legacy, then we would see many more NBA level recruits choosing their hometown or home state schools rather than going to the big programs. What Larry Hughes did was special and rare (unless you are a top level recruit with a top level local program), and Lebron going back to Cavs is special exactly because it is not the norm. I get it, if he wants a legacy he will have a legacy, and I am sure it is definitely a big pull towards SLU but i doubt that that is the one and only thing he cares about. He has to take care of his potential draft stock, and if SLU doesn't prove that they have the players (by showing it on the court) that can support him and at least help him not look bad, then that stock will surely drop. We are talking about a potential one and done, and he will not go to a program if it looks like his one and done year will end up being multiple years, or make him go from a lottery pick to a second rounder, even if it would make him a local legend. local legend <<<< NBA MONEY! Now SLU can show him that he can be a local legend and not compromise that money then GREAT! I want him to be at SLU, I am cheering for him to be a Billiken, but if the team doesn't show the they are at least competitive, forget about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 who gives a rat's ass about his education? he's a one-and-doner and he'd be a fuoking dumbass to stay anywhere more than a year. that's real talk. when you're that good at something, you don't go by the normal channels and play the normal games. you get PAID. that being said, i'd still love for him to stay home at SLU. at that point, who do you disappoint? UNC, UK and KU fans who will immediately forget about you and focus on the next diaper dandy. who will you make happy? your mom, dad and the entire community in which you were born and raised. you'll be a god in STL for life. but let's not kid ourselves that education should play any factor in this. not for lottery pick kids. find this hard to type but well said Jimbo. If school is something these one and done kids give a sht about they'll have plenty of $$ to pay for school Rodney style going Back To School. i mean no offense i just get more chuckles than insight from your post it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Tatum could go anywhere and be a top 10 pick if he stays on his current trajectory. He could go to UMSL and accomplish that. exactly. all the lottery pick types would go straight to NBA if league hadn't come up with this current one year BS. if anything going to one of the Duke types has possible downside of being overshadowed by other lottery types like that kid at Kentucky this year. high as i am on talent on current roster and future commits i don't fear him being over shadowed if he comes here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Mudiay didn't have a choice. He wasn't going to qualify It doesn't matter. Poor kids are going to ask themselves why should I go help make a coach rich instead of helping my family right away. Many are going to go for the money and I can't blame them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludevil Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 It doesn't matter. Poor kids are going to ask themselves why should I go help make a coach rich instead of helping my family right away. Many are going to go for the money and I can't blame them. I'm inclined to agree, but I can't get my head around why more kids aren't already doing this. Is it the bad reputation? Hell, even if everything Brandon Jennings had to say about playing overseas is true, that's still $1.2M. For one year. I would do some terrible things for $1.2M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I'm inclined to agree, but I can't get my head around why more kids aren't already doing this. Is it the bad reputation? Hell, even if everything Brandon Jennings had to say about playing overseas is true, that's still $1.2M. For one year. I would do some terrible things for $1.2M. I think it because people are just scared to be one of the first to do something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 1.2 million? Calipari can match that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doowop Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Mudiay didn't have a choice. He wasn't going to qualifySMU said he already qualified and was accepted into the school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 SMU said he already qualified and was accepted into the school. Not sure that means he would've met NCAA standards though. It wasn't all grades with him. Had some illegal benefits questions too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I'm inclined to agree, but I can't get my head around why more kids aren't already doing this. Is it the bad reputation? Hell, even if everything Brandon Jennings had to say about playing overseas is true, that's still $1.2M. For one year. I would do some terrible things for $1.2M. Here is a good article summarizing Brandon Jennings experience. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/sports/basketball/24recruit.html?_r=0 There is a reason nobody has done this since Jennings and it will be very interesting to follow Mudiay's situation. I don't think there is going to be a mass exodus but as the NCAA academic requirements get tougher and with the threat of the NBA rule turning into 2 years you might see a few more. Depending on how Mudiay does, I think the other aspect to look at it whether its really worth it for the these foreign teams to invest $1.2 million in a highschool player that likely won't be a major contributor, may quit midway through the season and certainly won't stay with the team for more than 1 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I know the money isn't nearly as large, but I've wondered why we haven't seen any kids go straight to the D-League. It would especially make sense if there was a D-League team in their backyard. You get paid a little bit and are still in a familiar place. Seems like it would make sense for a kid that only cares about basketball and not school. Now I suppose there is some draw to the college experience (if only for one year) and the D-League pay isn't enough to lure anyone away from that. Also, there is the possibility that kids could surpass the D-League earning with illegal benefits from schools (which are also tax free). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I know the money isn't nearly as large, but I've wondered why we haven't seen any kids go straight to the D-League. It would especially make sense if there was a D-League team in their backyard. You get paid a little bit and are still in a familiar place. Seems like it would make sense for a kid that only cares about basketball and not school. Now I suppose there is some draw to the college experience (if only for one year) and the D-League pay isn't enough to lure anyone away from that. Also, there is the possibility that kids could surpass the D-League earning with illegal benefits from schools (which are also tax free). I know Cuban talked about kids going to the D-League straight out of highschool but is that really an option at this point? I'm not D-League expert so I could be totally wrong on this, but my understanding is that D-League teams are associated with pro teams and that players on each D-League team are essentially claimed by the pro team. Since the NBA won't draft a highschool kid how could they play in the D-League without being associated with a pro team? For example, if Okafor had gone to the D-League which team would he play on? Again, I could be totally wrong in how this works. Edit: forget the above, I should have just gone here to figure it out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League Key part: The minimum age to play in the NBDL is 18, unlike the NBA which requires players to be 19 years old and one year out of high school in order to sign an NBA contract or be eligible for the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludevil Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 ^ Yup, just last season PJ Hairston jumped to the D-League after being kicked out of that school in Chapel Hill, and was subsequently drafted by the Hornets. Problem with the D-League, though, is that the pay is so low, and the national exposure (relative to college ball) is nonexistent. If you're going to turn down college ball and everything that goes with it, you're probably going to need more than $30k in compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 +1 I have a hard time believing SLU's overall performance next season will deter or encourage him coming here. He will make it to the NBA no matter where he goes, that's all that matters for him in the long run. If he wants a legacy in STL, he will come to SLU. If that doesn't really matter to him, then fine. He'll just go to Kentucky or UNC and be quickly forgotten. I disagree. SLU's performance next season absolutely will matter. We're talking about a full year of his life. He's only had 16 of those so far, and can only hope to get about 75 or 80 if he's lucky (like any of us). Where he spends a full year of his life is going to be important for him. If he can go anywhere and still be a top ten NBA pick, then he's going to go somewhere that he feels he will be able to have success during that one year. If he worries that his year at SLU won't result in a decent tournament run, I believe he'll go elsewhere. If he believes that we're a solid program that needs him, and maybe a friend or two, to get over the top, I believe he'll choose SLU. Next year will be huge for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Jayson is a competitor, he's not gonna waste his 1 and only college season playing for a team that doesn't have a some what realistic chance to make a tournament run. Now luckily for SLU they should fit in that category, but a good season not great just a good season should really prove worth for the following season. I know for a fact If I was Jayson SLU being in my hometown along with his dad and godfather isnt enough, I want a season I will remember for a reason not just because mom and dad could come to all my games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 We just need Jayson to call up Jimmy Whitt and Tyler Cook, say "Boys, let's do this" and have all three commit to SLU. National title or bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I have heard that SLU is not even in consideration for Jimmy Whitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I have heard that SLU is not even in consideration for Jimmy Whitt. Makes sense, I dont see him getting any minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I have heard that SLU is not even in consideration for Jimmy Whitt. Yeah I've heard the same. My post was merely a pipe dream. The 2015 recruiting list is pretty quiet right now. Will be interesting to see what the staff pulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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