Quality Is Job 1 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Considering that the team will most likely be rebuilding in 2014-15, would you rather the Bills make the NCAA Tournament and lose their first game or win the NIT? Personally, I'd prefer to make the NCAA, provided it's not First Four game. I'd rather win the NIT than lose a First Four game. But if the team is in the Round of 64, I'd prefer to be one-and-done there over winning the NIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieBilliken Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 If they make the tournament next year I would never doubt anything Jim Crews says or does again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 If they make the tournament next year I would never doubt anything Jim Crews says or does again. Yeah, right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I would want nothing to do with the N(early) I(rrelevant) T(ournament). The NCAA took away the right to turn down a NIT bid a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Wasn't there a thread on this exact subject two weeks ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Wasn't there a thread on this exact subject two weeks ago? More than two weeks ago I'd say, but yeah, I started it! Got some heated conversation and a little more hate than I'd expect from an innocent question. But the real question is when did we get a poll feature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 But the real question is when did we get a poll feature? 2007 (on this software). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Delete this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Dumb question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Ban whoever voted for NIT. Also ban everyone in this thread for not thanking the troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 First round NIT loss or CBI champs might be a better debate. Nothing like the experience if being in the NCAA Tourney. And I'd imagine no worse feeling than losing in the NCAA. I gotta think that getting into the NCAA and losing on the biggest stage is more motivation than winning the NIT and realizing no one cares or even realizes that your team was still playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 2007 (on this software). Well, uh, umm... yeah. But that's not the point; I think what we're really all here for is to THANK THE TROOPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 Wasn't there a thread on this exact subject two weeks ago? My apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 There is absolutely no scenario where not making the NCAA tournament > making the NCAA tournament. The 1994 and 2000 teams are some of the most revered in SLU history regardless of their first round NCAA exits. On the other hand the fact SLU couldn't get to the dance during the Bonner era represents the programs greatest failure in the last 30 years. I assume the NIT voters are trolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenboy Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 NCAA of course but I will say we go past the first round. These new Billikens are bigger and more skilled than our seniors. We will have growing pains at the start but guys will come out strong at the end to win the A10 then move on to the tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 There is absolutely no scenario where not making the NCAA tournament > making the NCAA tournament. The 1994 and 2000 teams are some of the most revered in SLU history regardless of their first round NCAA exits. On the other hand the fact SLU couldn't get to the dance during the Bonner era represents the programs greatest failure in the last 30 years. I assume the NIT voters are trolls. Those teams were anything but failures. We played in a 1 bid conference against a team that had two NBA players and a HOF coach, we only had one. Different time, if similar rules applied now back then one of those SLU teams would have danced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 There's nothing like and I mean nothing like making the tourney. Just making it is an experience that nothing else can match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Those teams were anything but failures. We played in a 1 bid conference against a team that had two NBA players and a HOF coach, we only had one. Different time, if similar rules applied now back then one of those SLU teams would have danced. Same thing in the early 70s with the Jimmy Irving and Harry Rogers teams. Tourney with 68 teams make it a lot more open to get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Those teams were anything but failures. We played in a 1 bid conference against a team that had two NBA players and a HOF coach, we only had one. Different time, if similar rules applied now back then one of those SLU teams would have danced. Maybe failure is too harsh. Disappointment? Let down? They hadn't been to the dance in 30+ years. They were clearly on the upswing in 1986-87. What era in the last 30 years of the program would you consider a bigger disappointment than the Bonner/Gray/Douglass teams not ending the tournament drought? Lisch/Liddell? The 1 and done departure of Hughes? Willie Reed and the situation? I can't even think of anything else that registers. Are you going to say that the 1994 or 2000 teams getting bounced were bigger let downs than the golden late 80s generation missing the dance? I don't think so. That's the context. rebuilding year or not...if you're good enough to win the NIT, you're good enough that you should have made the dance and the season was a blown opportunity. also, the MCC was a 2-bid league the 2 years we finished 2nd in the NIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Wasn't there a thread on this exact subject two weeks ago? Offseason withdrawal syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Who the f voted for the NIT? Shame on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Maybe failure is too harsh. Disappointment? Let down? They hadn't been to the dance in 30+ years. They were clearly on the upswing in 1986-87. What era in the last 30 years of the program would you consider a bigger disappointment than the Bonner/Gray/Douglass teams not ending the tournament drought? Lisch/Liddell? The 1 and done departure of Hughes? Willie Reed and the situation? I can't even think of anything else that registers. Are you going to say that the 1994 or 2000 teams getting bounced were bigger let downs than the golden late 80s generation missing the dance? I don't think so. That's the context. rebuilding year or not...if you're good enough to win the NIT, you're good enough that you should have made the dance and the season was a blown opportunity. also, the MCC was a 2-bid league the 2 years we finished 2nd in the NIT. Correct. We were good the two years in the MCC's history where there were 2 other good teams in the conference. The MCC did get 2 bids both those years, but the bids were not exactly at large worthy. In 88-89 Evansville dominated the league and only received an 11 seed. Xavier won the conference tournament and was a 14. If Xavier didn't win the tourney they aren't in. Same scenario the next season. Xavier in as a 6 seed, Dayton wins the conference tourney and squeaks in with a 12. They weren't in without winning the conference tournament. The year we should have made noise was 87-88, the league was weaker that season, but we crapped the bed all year. That was a disappointment. We make the NCAAs that season I think it would have changed the complexion of the MCC, it would have become a true multi bid league and the conference might still exist. Next season we had no depth beyond the big 3. We were clearly outclassed by Evansville and Xavier. Bonner's sr year we had more depth but once again choked away several winnable home games and for some reason played 2 non conference games during the conference season and lost both of them. Then a 7 win Loyola kicked our ass in the mcc tournament. Still there was a failure to capitalize on our success 86-87 by Grawer. An NCAA tourney bid would have been nice but there was a natural progression there, Grawer couldn't sustain the success. A different coach would have had the team poised for a breakthrough in 90-91, instead SLU begins to tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I realize it's a different era now, but is a trip to the NIT a "successful" season? I don't think most fans consider any NCAA bid a failure, but the NIT is a different animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I would've been happy with an NIT bid in 2010. Not anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I would've been happy with an NIT bid in 2010. Not anymore. Preach on, sir. Preach on. The culture change at SLU is one thing we can all be proud of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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