BigMouthBilliken Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 From Dr P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 True, but it's all about context. This was enough for a manager - who wasn't on the text, but still - to be offended enough to officially file a complaint. If there were some kind of inside joke, or some deeper context we don't have in a snippet of a text chain, would he have done that? I'm trying to think of examples from our group of buddies or the basketball team in our years, and it seems like the lack of ill intent was obvious enough that no one who knows anyone involved would want to file a complaint. I can think of plenty of horrifying things I've heard said within the comradery of a tight-knit group like that. Taken out of context they can sound monstrous. You and I are both thinking, I'm sure, of one of our friends in particular who likes to push any button he can to see how people react. But someone who knows that group would know the context of their "jokes", wouldn't they? Like, he would know if there's an ongoing inside joke or if it's an attempt at satire or something? A team manager would know enough about those players to know whether there's another level to their remarks. It took him a year to file a complaint. Not that there are any statute of limitations on this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 It took him a year to file a complaint. Not that there are any statute of limitations on this thing. It's not easy to rat out guys you know the day of the incident. I'm not saying he was right to wait 11 months, we just have no idea what happened during the intervening months - did he approach these guys, did he talk to the coach, did he just bottle it up? I have no idea. At the core of the issue, though, I don't think he's the one to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 You playing the moral equivalence game fails miserably in this case. You really think the comments made by ARon rises to the level of what was said by the baseball players? Yet, for some reason you only chose to be outraged by one of the two. Funny (sad) that the comments referenced in the original post don't draw your ire, but rather a comment about ARon gets you worked up. You must be a rACE-ist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Just Steve. Some would dispute this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 I would like to prevail upon A_Bomb and Ace to kindly and gently resolved their brotherly differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Some would dispute this. In the words of Scooby: "Ruh-roh"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 True, but it's all about context. This was enough for a manager - who wasn't on the text, but still - to be offended enough to officially file a complaint. If there were some kind of inside joke, or some deeper context we don't have in a snippet of a text chain, would he have done that? I'm trying to think of examples from our group of buddies or the basketball team in our years, and it seems like the lack of ill intent was obvious enough that no one who knows anyone involved would want to file a complaint. I can think of plenty of horrifying things I've heard said within the comradery of a tight-knit group like that. Taken out of context they can sound monstrous. You and I are both thinking, I'm sure, of one of our friends in particular who likes to push any button he can to see how people react. But someone who knows that group would know the context of their "jokes", wouldn't they? Like, he would know if there's an ongoing inside joke or if it's an attempt at satire or something? A team manager would know enough about those players to know whether there's another level to their remarks. You definitely raise some key questions. I don't know anything about these kids or the situation, so it is tough for me to know whether to defend them or pile on. The line between joking and being offensive/ignorant/racist can be a tough line to distinguish at times and among friends, teammates, or frat brothers pushing that line can become almost a game. I do have a tough time crushing the kids who were on the text string for not speaking up since I am positive I would not have (it was in poor taste absolutely, but not sure it was concerning enough to run to the coach). Certainly a difficult situation and from afar it is tough to know whether this was just a joke between friends or something more. I would be curious to know more about the student manager and why this took so long to come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Funny (sad) that the comments referenced in the original post don't draw your ire, but rather a comment about ARon gets you worked up. You must be a rACE-ist. Another dud by ABomb... nuance is not your strong suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 I'm finding it hard to believe that the espn broadcast picked up cardinals fans saying racist ###### and deadspin didn't have the scoop. They have a bigger hard on for cardinal fans as you apparently Here are some tweets from an editor for deadspin, Timothy Burke: "I heard nothing" in response to "as plenty of others have said, if ESPN's mic had caught something like this, @bubbaprog would've had it up within 90 seconds of it happening" "listened to multiple crowd audio feeds from ESPN & other sources. heard nothing objectionable" in response to "at the time or have you gone back to the time-synched feed?" And I saw this tweet from Roger Hensley of the Post Dispatch retweeted by Tim McKernan: NYDN: "Although Twitter has been abuzz with angry backlash, no available audio has surfaced to confirm the social media accusations." "Our reporting so far has uncovered no proof this actually occurred. Doesn't mean it didn't, but facts would be nice." I guess we will see how this plays out, but sounding like some irresponsible reporting (what do you even call these blogger types and what they do?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Here are some tweets from an editor for deadspin, Timothy Burke: "I heard nothing" in response to "as plenty of others have said, if ESPN's mic had caught something like this, @bubbaprog would've had it up within 90 seconds of it happening" "listened to multiple crowd audio feeds from ESPN & other sources. heard nothing objectionable" in response to "at the time or have you gone back to the time-synched feed?" I guess we will see how this plays out, but sounding like some irresponsible reporting (what do you even call these blogger types and what they do?). If initial report is false, this kind of overly sensational reporting does nothing to help race relations either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 If initial report is false, this kind of overly sensational reporting does nothing to help race relations either. Isn't this in line with what is going on at a number of campuses across the country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 I would be curious to know more about the student manager and why this took so long to come out. The story seems to be that his girlfriend saw it later and prompted him to finally report it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Here are some tweets from an editor for deadspin, Timothy Burke: "I heard nothing" in response to "as plenty of others have said, if ESPN's mic had caught something like this, @bubbaprog would've had it up within 90 seconds of it happening" "listened to multiple crowd audio feeds from ESPN & other sources. heard nothing objectionable" in response to "at the time or have you gone back to the time-synched feed?" And I saw this tweet from Roger Hensley of the Post Dispatch retweeted by Tim McKernan: NYDN: "Although Twitter has been abuzz with angry backlash, no available audio has surfaced to confirm the social media accusations." "Our reporting so far has uncovered no proof this actually occurred. Doesn't mean it didn't, but facts would be nice." I guess we will see how this plays out, but sounding like some irresponsible reporting (what do you even call these blogger types and what they do?). But 4 cubs fans tweeted that they heard it on ESPN so it MUST be true!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 My boss just yelled at me and we don't have a safe place for me to go in our office. For you lawyers ... do I have a winnable lawsuit? I know I'm old, but I prefer the days when you just kicked the out of someone (or got the kicked out of you) when they pissed you off. I get safe places for 1st graders maybe even 2nd ... If you are still mean in the safe place do you get double spanked? oops, we can't spank ... I mean do you get counseled on being nice by two people instead of just one? What stops the idiots from doing the same crap in the designated safe place? This is a serious question ... I'm old and confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbizzle09 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 If initial report is false, this kind of overly sensational reporting does nothing to help race relations either. Agreed. I was just listening to 95.5 a few minutes ago and the DJ was discussing this story, pointing out that it is indicative of St. Louis and perhaps shows why Heyward left in the first place. It will continue to gain more traction, even though there isn't any proof behind the NYDN story. Even if there is a retraction, it is already out in the ether. It should really say something if Deadspin, who HATE the Cards and is currently doing a series where they'll mark every St. Louis loss this season, left this alone due to nothing being there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 If initial report is false, this kind of overly sensational reporting does nothing to help race relations either. C'mon Ace, 2 or 3 non-audible shouts clearly constitute a "blitzing" or "raining down" of racial slurs by the BFIB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 http://deadspin.com/no-espn-did-not-air-cardinals-fans-yelling-racial-slur-1771860332We can all rest easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 My boss just yelled at me and we don't have a safe place for me to go in our office. For you lawyers ... do I have a winnable lawsuit? I know I'm old, but I prefer the days when you just kicked the ###### out of someone (or got the ###### kicked out of you) when they pissed you off. I get safe places for 1st graders maybe even 2nd ... If you are still mean in the safe place do you get double spanked? oops, we can't spank ... I mean do you get counseled on being nice by two people instead of just one? What stops the idiots from doing the same crap in the designated safe place? This is a serious question ... I'm old and confused Try an MB73 campaign rally. Sounds like your kind of not-so-safe space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 http://deadspin.com/no-espn-did-not-air-cardinals-fans-yelling-racial-slur-1771860332We can all rest easy I'm still trying to figure out how/why deadspin still hasn't turned this into an anti-cardinal's issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 http://deadspin.com/no-espn-did-not-air-cardinals-fans-yelling-racial-slur-1771860332We can all rest easy Dumb all around. If you're going to make it up, why not just say people overheard it at the park? Adding the national TV angle makes it really easy to disprove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Isn't this in line with what is going on at a number of campuses across the country? Yes, some claims that are flimsy, but also unfortunately still legit examples on campuses - look no further than Clemson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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