DoctorB Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I'm glad to hear we are still on the list. But I have an innocent (possibly dumb) Q: is Tatum for sure one and done?? Has this question been clearly answered, and I missed it? or is there any chance Tatum would stay in school 2 or even more years?? just wondering if it is established ... and pardon me for not trying to fight my way through threads with like a hundred pages of comments. So if it considered by some on here "dumb" then it's only because I am not obsessing out about whether an adolescent student of one of my former students at SLU is going to come to SLU. Yes, I now have former students teaching at Chaminade. ps: I did see someone remark on the "scripted" way all of this is playing out. I cannot even find the words to describe the amount of nausea I feel when I see this sort of narcissism, being perpetrated on the part of a teenager by his "handlers" and his "posse" and whatever the heck else they call those folks these days ... frankly it sickens me how much blood sweat and tears is going into all this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Sorry you feel that way, Doc. I think the pomp and circumstance of recruiting is part of what makes college basketball more fun than the strictly business approach of the NBA. And now that we have a media machine that never sleeps, folks can keep tabs on recruiting prospects 24 hours a day. Is this level of access way out of a hand? I think so. But technology has been advancing at a rate faster than human beings' ability to cope with it for a long time. We're creating a generation of celebrity stalkers and narcissists. It's not a problem that will be fixed any time soon. Compared to the vast majority of people who get thrust into the media spotlight at an early age, I think Tatum and his family have handled it extremely well. They're managing the process rather than having the process manage them. And they're doing with a little swag, a touch of humility and a smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 As for whether Tatum is for sure one and done: Let's just say that there is no recent precedent for a kid with Tatum's height and skillset sticking around for more than one year. The two and done guys are kids who are not as polished coming in (Blake Griffin), experience late growth spurts (Paul George) or have inconsistent freshman seasons (Harrison Barnes). If you are a highly regarded recruit coming out of school, the longer you stay in college, the more your stock drops. This may seem ass backwards but it's nonetheless true. NBA scouts will forgive holes in your game as a freshman because they see nothing but upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I would say there is a 50/50 chance that the NBA raises the minimum age before Tatum arrives on campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_davola Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I would say there is a 50/50 chance that the NBA raises the minimum age before Tatum arrives on campus. I was just thinking about this. Do you think this impacts his decision between a school like SLU versus Duke in any way? I'm not really sure if it would help or hurt SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I was just thinking about this. Do you think this impacts his decision between a school like SLU versus Duke in any way? I'm not really sure if it would help or hurt SLU. I don't think it would make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I was just thinking about this. Do you think this impacts his decision between a school like SLU versus Duke in any way? I'm not really sure if it would help or hurt SLU. It could be problematic if his other buddies decide its better to go overseas and play two years for pay rather than2 years for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I don't think it would make a difference.Pure speculation but I think it might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I would say there is a 50/50 chance that the NBA raises the minimum age before Tatum arrives on campus. Was just reading about the commish's desire to go to 2-and-done. The piece said that the next chance for the league to negotiate that with the players association would be 2017. This would probably happen during the summer after Jayson would have already declared and hired an agent. There is a chance it could prevent Tatum from being a 1-and-done. Maybe a greater chance he would be one of the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I would say there is a 50/50 chance that the NBA raises the minimum age before Tatum arrives on campus.You keep saying this, but the one and done rule is a result of the 2006 collective bargaining agreement in the NBA. It was extended in 2011 for an additional 10 years. Even if the NBA really wants a 2 and done rule I'm not sure they can do it before 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 If both sides agree the contract can be reopened at anytime to address this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 There is talk of an NBA lockout in 2017 when both sides can opt out of the current deal. Tatum's NBA career might begin with a labor stoppage (ala Larry Hughes), and NBA commish Adam Silver has repeatedly expressed his desire to raise the Draft eligibility age minimum to 20, but I don't think the change is going to come in time to affect Tatum's draft eligibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 If both sides agree the contract can be reopened at anytime to address this issue.But the players are morally objected to it and won't just concede on it for no reason. Rather, it will only be a point of contention the next time there is a labor issue. Per duffman, that is more likely to be 2017.I suppose we could always hope that the labor strike looks so likely and long lasting that FBJT decides to voluntarily stay for a second year but that seems pretty far fetched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I would rather see them open it up so kids who want to go to the NBA can go straight to the NBA from HS. The ones who choose college must stay stay at least 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 That would hurt SLU's chance with Tatum. I don't see him coming here for 2 years no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 That would hurt SLU's chance with Tatum. I don't see him coming here for 2 years no matter what.I have a feeling how long he would stay matters very little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 But the players are morally objected to it and won't just concede on it for no reason. Rather, it will only be a point of contention the next time there is a labor issue. Per duffman, that is more likely to be 2017. I suppose we could always hope that the labor strike looks so likely and long lasting that FBJT decides to voluntarily stay for a second year but that seems pretty far fetched. The players are not morally opposed to it. They may say they are, but that is a negotiating ploy. I believe it was the on the Grantland Basketball Hour they were discussing this specific issue. The consensus appears to be that the union would give on raising the age in exchange for how veteran minimum contracts are counted against the salary cap. Right now a one year veteran minimum contract only counts against the cap as the cost of rookie minimum contract. But a two year guaranteed contract veteran minimum contract counts against cap at the full value. The union wants to have the two year contract count against the cap just like the one year deal to help extend the careers of veteran bench players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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