crymdg2 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Are the 2 guys behind SLU's bench Roby and Bartley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 They're Tyler Cook (Chaminade) and Jordan Barnes (CBC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 They're Tyler Cook (Chaminade) and Jordan Barnes (CBC). That would be a great duo to land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crymdg2 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 I saw that after the game when they went back to the locker room. I also saw Jordan Goodwin, freshman at Althoff, was with them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 They're Tyler Cook (Chaminade) and Jordan Barnes (CBC). I saw that at half time and at first thought it was because maybe Tatum's dad was at the half time ceremony - I missed it, had to take care of some business - anyway, I later came to realize that it was more than just that since both were there. Good sign - who knows but it can not hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 The good sign is that we appear to be heavily invested in this current bumper crop of local recruits. I get the idea a lof of high school and AAU coaches and other local basketball people have not been happy with the lack of serious relationships between SLU and themselves over the past decade or two. Whether this is completely fair or one-sided or whatever, I can't say. But the current staff appears to be very seriously mending any past ill wills and appears very, very high on a lot of local high school players, particularly the loaded 2016 class. It'd be fun to keep the current streak of success going with a nice crop of local kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUfan_42 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Jordan Goodwin ( Freshman phenom from Althoff Catholic in Belleville 19.5 ppg) was 2 or 3 rows behind the SLU bench tonight as well. I myself am I senior at Althoff and he told me after the game he was there for recruiting. Word on the street is he loves the Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Jordan Goodwin ( Freshman phenom from Althoff Catholic in Belleville 19.5 ppg) was 2 or 3 rows behind the SLU bench tonight as well. I myself am I senior at Althoff and he told me after the game he was there for recruiting. Word on the street is he loves the Bills SLU will be absolutely loaded in 3-4 years if they can bring in all the local talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUfan_42 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 SLU will be absolutely loaded in 3-4 years if they can bring in all the local talent Why wouldn't all the local studs want to play for a top 10 team right in their back yard? I love our chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Jordan Goodwin ( Freshman phenom from Althoff Catholic in Belleville 19.5 ppg) was 2 or 3 rows behind the SLU bench tonight as well. I myself am I senior at Althoff and he told me after the game he was there for recruiting. Word on the street is he loves the Bills19.5 on varsity? Damn tell your senior classmates on the team to steer him down 64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The sky's the limit at Althoff. Gooch is a sophomore, and Goodwin is a freshman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUfan_42 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The sky's the limit at Althoff. Gooch is a sophomore, and Goodwin is a freshman. Gooch is great too. We have Cahokia coming up here in the next week in the playoffs fueled by Darius Austin (UMKC) and Cj Rivers (Drake)... 2 guys with great upside and athleticism that SLU missed on. I can't wait for that game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUfan_42 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 19.5 on varsity? Damn tell your senior classmates on the team to steer him down 64. He's an animal, he'll be one on the top recruits in the nation when it's all said and done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Gooch is great too. We have Cahokia coming up here in the next week in the playoffs fueled by Darius Austin (UMKC) and Cj Rivers (Drake)... 2 guys with great upside and athleticism that SLU missed on. I can't wait for that game I did my teaching observation there last semester. The teacher I was observing said SLU was checking on both players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUfan_42 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I did my teaching observation there last semester. The teacher I was observing said SLU was checking on both players. They're the real deal. They swept us in the conference, but we're lookin to steal one for the regional crown. I think they're 8 or 9 in the state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 They're the real deal. They swept us in the conference, but we're lookin to steal one for the regional crown. I think they're 8 or 9 in the state I was talking about Althoff. I really like where that program is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUfan_42 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I was talking about Althoff. I really like where that program is going. What teacher did you observe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 What teacher did you observe? Mr. Lauber and Mrs. McCracken at different times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 This topic that SLU has not bee interested in local players is one that simply is just a rumor. Remember the Vtime discussions - he would have had us recruit everybody - all those UMKC and SIUE type players. SLU had no problem recruiting local top players - the problem was that the local players of worth had little interest in us. Yes we all know the story about the 2 guys who went to SIUC who wanted to go to SLU and turned out to be studs but they also had academic questions but perhaps the worse part of that was that BS was not a good talent evalutor so he may have missed on some. RM had interest in several local players but they had no interest in him or us. I have no problem with recruiting local players but not just because they are local - if they are quality to keep us playing at a high level then absolutely but if they are not then keep our national profile strong. The only reason local players may not be interested in us is because we have had success and are a top 10 team - where were they when the non local players were willing to come and get us to this level but they were not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUfan_42 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mr. Lauber and Mrs. McCracken at different times. As a matter of fact, I do recall someone sitting in on my Modern Us history classes last semester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The big StL impact players all had their sights set on the top BCS programs. Over the last 15 years we got one, and that was due to some extenuating circumstances. But look where the area's top players have gone; FL, Duke, KU, UNC, GU, ND. I can't recall Mizzery getting any of them except the Grimes kid, and that didn't work out too well. So, clearly the local aces have their sights set on the glamour schools. Of course, for most of this period we were mired in mediocrity. But even a name coach and a sparkling new facility couldn't convince the area' s top tier talent to come to little ol' SLU. Now, with our recent success, some national recognition, and a large increase in televised games will this scenario change? I fear it won't. The allure of the divas is just too great. Also, when these kids go on the AAU circuit and meet their peers, they don't want to appear small time by saying, " I signed w/ SLU", when there is way more status to saying Florida, Duke, UNC, etc. No different than private prep school kids trying to impress their peers by saying, "I got into Harvard." That said, we are probably in our best position in recent years to sign the area's 3 stars and possibly some 4s. And we've all seen the success you can have by developing these types and keeping them in school for 4 years. So, if we miss w/ a Tatum there's no reason to seek out the nearest bridge or overdose on Ambien, and besides, we'd only have him for a year. I'd just as soon see Billy the Kid have to deal with finding his replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_davola Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 This topic that SLU has not bee interested in local players is one that simply is just a rumor. Remember the Vtime discussions - he would have had us recruit everybody - all those UMKC and SIUE type players. SLU had no problem recruiting local top players - the problem was that the local players of worth had little interest in us. Yes we all know the story about the 2 guys who went to SIUC who wanted to go to SLU and turned out to be studs but they also had academic questions but perhaps the worse part of that was that BS was not a good talent evalutor so he may have missed on some. RM had interest in several local players but they had no interest in him or us. I have no problem with recruiting local players but not just because they are local - if they are quality to keep us playing at a high level then absolutely but if they are not then keep our national profile strong. The only reason local players may not be interested in us is because we have had success and are a top 10 team - where were they when the non local players were willing to come and get us to this level but they were not? I understand that a lot of kids growing up in St. Louis want to get away, even if it is 2 hours down highway 70. With that said, I think SLU needs to continue to market our program to local kids and families that grow up living and breathing BIlliken basketball. I know a few people on this board not only went to SLU, but grew up as huge fans just like we do for the Cardinals, Blues, Rams. SLU basketball was actually more important to me as a kid growing up than anything else. I wish I was a 6'8" 240lb 5* recruit because SLU would have been my choice. Let's sustain our success, promote our program to these kids and their families and have them grow up as diehard Billiken fans. I know it's easier said than done, but I think as we see kids falling in love with our program, we will see more interest from our local recruits. Look at the HS classes of '97. 3 top local recruits all stayed home. This I think was in part to the spread of Spoonball fever. Success and marketing go a long way with local kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Let's also remember we got two prized locals (TL and KL) who were recruited by some big BCS-type schools, although not at the Duke/UNC/Kansas level. With our new success we should be able to get some of the kids that MO and ILL are also recruiting, even if we miss on the bluest of Blue Chip 5 stars. We need to remember that there aren't many really big time, big name programs that we can't compete against. Just off the top of my head, I'd consider the following as those we will almost always lose a recruiting battle with (Ka, Syracuse, Ky, Louisville (for now), Duke, UNC and Fla). Other than those we should have a good story to tell with a decent shot at getting the desired local kid. We also need to remember that those schools are recruiting nationally and only have so many scholarships to give so, even if they like one of our targets, they might like another kid in Cal (for example) better or they just might not have enough open scholarships to make an offer. Getting JT might not work out, but he is one of the very few locals, now in HS, that the big boys will all be after. Even then we have a really good pitch to make for him (Dad played here, Mom seems positive about SLU, who has a better coach than CC to work with if you are only going to stay in college one year, and with our program reaching new heights why make your friends and parents travel to see you play?) It might not work and if not it is not a disaster, but he would add value and prestige to our image if we would get him for his one year in school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 This topic that SLU has not bee interested in local players is one that simply is just a rumor. Remember the Vtime discussions - he would have had us recruit everybody - all those UMKC and SIUE type players. SLU had no problem recruiting local top players - the problem was that the local players of worth had little interest in us. Yes we all know the story about the 2 guys who went to SIUC who wanted to go to SLU and turned out to be studs but they also had academic questions but perhaps the worse part of that was that BS was not a good talent evalutor so he may have missed on some. RM had interest in several local players but they had no interest in him or us. I have no problem with recruiting local players but not just because they are local - if they are quality to keep us playing at a high level then absolutely but if they are not then keep our national profile strong. The only reason local players may not be interested in us is because we have had success and are a top 10 team - where were they when the non local players were willing to come and get us to this level but they were not? +1 RM had it right. Go for top local talent, but don't compromise and offer second tier local talent just because they are "local." The top priority is to put together a winning team - RM got that. If the local players don't want to be a part of it, screw them. Scott Suggs went off the Washington - I know he had some injuries, but he pretty much was a mediocre role player on a team that didn't do much of anything while he was there. Tyler Griffey went for the "big time" offer and wound up being a role player for a program that didn't do much. In fact he was part of a team that struggled and got Bruce Weber fired. He could have had a chance to be a part of building a winner here. When Nolan Berry committed to Butler I thought it was VERY early. Butler was a trendy name at the time of his commitment, but now the kid finds himself without Brad Stevens and sitting on the end of the bench for a bad team. I don't feel like SLU has to apologize or mend fences with any of these AAU coaches. It seems to me RM told many of the top local prospects he was going to build a top 25 team here. That's exactly what he did. It's not SLU's fault those kids decided to go elsewhere. My problem with some of these local AAU coaches and other advisers is that I sense they view SLU as the fallback school. They want SLU to be a landing spot for the second tier local players. Nice for the kids, but not exactly a recipe for success for SLU. These folks all seemed to get blinded by the "name" schools. RM and now Crews have shown what is possible with this program. IMO, it is up for the AAU coaches/advisors to change some of their misconceptions about the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 RM had it right. Go for top local talent, but don't compromise and offer second tier local talent just because they are "local." The top priority is to put together a winning team - RM got that. If the local players don't want to be a part of it, screw them. Scott Suggs went off the Washington - I know he had some injuries, but he pretty much was a mediocre role player on a team that didn't do much of anything while he was there. Tyler Griffey went for the "big time" offer and wound up being a role player for a program that didn't do much. In fact he was part of a team that struggled and got Bruce Weber fired. He could have had a chance to be a part of building a winner here. When Nolan Berry committed to Butler I thought it was VERY early. Butler was a trendy name at the time of his commitment, but now the kid finds himself without Brad Stevens and sitting on the end of the bench for a bad team. I don't feel like SLU has to apologize or mend fences with any of these AAU coaches. It seems to me RM told many of the top local prospects he was going to build a top 25 team here. That's exactly what he did. It's not SLU's fault those kids decided to go elsewhere. My problem with some of these local AAU coaches and other advisers is that I sense they view SLU as the fallback school. They want SLU to be a landing spot for the second tier local players. Nice for the kids, but not exactly a recipe for success for SLU. These folks all seemed to get blinded by the "name" schools. RM and now Crews have shown what is possible with this program. IMO, it is up for the AAU coaches/advisors to change some of their misconceptions about the program. +1 We shouldn't settle for less. I say keep opening up the Indiana and Chicago pipelines with Crews and Cheaney at the helm. While I like that they are putting some focus on local talent, they really should keep looking elsewhere. The locals will want to come here if we keep winning and keep getting national attention. Just look at Roby. He committed out of nowhere, and it was simply because he had seen us beat Memphis in the tourney two years ago and he liked the way we played as a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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