One shining moment...

[Quality Is Job 1]

...or one shiner moment? Why is the only Billiken highlight in the culminating video montage a clip of Loe getting called for an offensive foul with the elbow to the face of the Louisville player (but only because he was fouled — if the rules were still called correctly, rather than this overcompensation junk)? Dwayne had a nice dunk early in that game; why not that clip?

[Bills By 40]

Do you have a link to said video montage? You have piqued my interest.

[kappy96]

At least we were included...

[hsmith19]

Hard to believe the comeback against NC State wasn't included at all...

[Quality Is Job 1]

At least we were included...

In a negative light.

Do you have a link to said video montage? You have piqued my interest.

Sorry, but I don't. It'll probably hit the youtubes in 3.. 2...

[hsmith19]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2014/4/7/5592388/one-shining-moment-2014-video

[SLUisville]

If you want some silver lining, we appear in Deadspin's "Dumb Shining Moment" on the receiving end of a dumb NC State play

http://deadspin.com/dumb-shining-moment-your-2014-ncaa-tournament-lowlight-1559929109

About the 50 second mark.

FWIW, I thought our One Shining Moment clip would be Jordair's scream after the game tying lay-up.

[moytoy12]

I actually like that it's Rob elbowing some dude's chops.

[Tonka]

If I remember correctly the clip went with a point in the song. Maybe I am wrong. Just glad we got included.

[slufan13]

...or one shiner moment? Why is the only Billiken highlight in the culminating video montage a clip of Loe getting called for an offensive foul with the elbow to the face of the Louisville player (but only because he was fouled — if the rules were still called correctly, rather than this overcompensation junk)? Dwayne had a nice dunk early in that game; why not that clip?

You need to post more often so that I can get this name change down

[Tonka]

You need to post more often so that I can get this name change down

Or, just call him thicks, the long time poster.

[Billiken Rich]

I'll just call him Tiger Lover! (sorry Thicks)

[slufan13]

Or, just call him thicks, the long time poster.

Oh I know it's him. I just have to get used to it

[Quality Is Job 1]

If I remember correctly the clip went with a point in the song. Maybe I am wrong. Just glad we got included.

I thought about that later, but I didn't really hear the lyrics during that juncture. Perhaps some time I'll watch it again.

I'll just call him Tiger Lover! (sorry Thicks)

I think it would be better for you to curse me. Need a paper bag for my Tiger fan-ship.

Oh I know it's him. I just have to get used to it

Not sure if that's good or bad.

[moytoy12]

[Bay Area Billiken]

We already have a de facto 2-tier system of football playing schools and everyone else. It was obvious to both BAB and Ms. BAB in Orlando. At one point in the 2nd Half of the SLU vs. Louisville game, Ms. BAB turned to BAB and pronounced, "This is all about money."

Look at this year's Sweet 16, which contained only one non-FBS school, Dayton, itself the 5th Seed in the A10 Tournament. This year's Sweet 16 contained only 2 non-BCS schools in Dayton and San Diego State, assuming UConn was still considered BCS. The BCS ended in '13, and is being replaced by the new Playoffs.

If the local NLRB ruling re Northwestern is allowed to stand, and college athletes are allowed to unionize, it would seem to not be much longer until college athletes will be paid. I believe that will cast in stone the 2-tier system that really already exists in practice, if not officially. Except once it is official, it will be worse for the non-paying schools.

I don't see a school like SLU paying its student athletes beyond the athletic scholarship, etc. i.e. beyond the existing case.

It is possible the new Big East will pay to try to keep up, but more and more I see the new Big East becoming the Top of Everyone Else Tier, whether it wants to admit that or not. I also do not see a Georgetown, for example, wanting to pay its student athletes.

What could well develop is a split of D-1 in all sports, not just the current Football, dividing it into the payors (the Football schools) and everyone else, with the latter playing in something like the current FCS (D1-AA).

Let me also say, I hope not.

[Bay Area Billiken]

What led me to include the above in this thread, you might ask?

What led me is someone making Rob Loe's elbow SLU's "One Shining Moment." You see that one moment really makes the whole picture quite clear. Even the still photo shows the Louisville player making physical contact with Rob Loe As noted above, that should have been a foul called on Louisville before Rob Loe's elbow ever became a video review issue. That incredibly butchered call was right in front of the SLU fan section. Let's put it this way, we know what our eyes told us.

That little microcosm says it all. As the saying goes, a picture says a thousand words.

Louisville had no one on its entire roster that could guard Rob Loe that whole game. But Louisville did not have to guard Rob Loe when the refs had him in a de facto straight jacket tied to SLU's bench in "foul trouble," did it? After seeing Louisville play in person, I realized Louisville was not even that good. I was not surprised that the Kentucky One and Dones defeated Louisville in the next round.

Well, I held off and waited over 3 weeks to get that off my chest. But my position now is the same as my position at the scene.

Of course, going 0-15 on 3-pointers did not help the SLU cause either.

[Old guy]

Bay Area Billiken, I agree about Georgetown (and also every other school located in DC) not wanting to pay their student athletes. Georgetown and all the other DC schools have a funding issue due to their location in a Federal territory controlled by Congress. This eliminates the very important source of state funding for these schools and makes it harder for them to maintain their fiscal condition.

[Deutschkind]

What led me to include the above in this thread, you might ask?

What led me is someone making Rob Loe's elbow SLU's "One Shining Moment." You see that one moment really makes the whole picture quite clear. Even the still photo shows the Louisville player making physical contact with Rob Loe As noted above, that should have been a foul called on Louisville before Rob Loe's elbow ever became a video review issue. That incredibly butchered call was right in front of the SLU fan section. Let's put it this way, we know what our eyes told us.

That little microcosm says it all. As the saying goes, a picture says a thousand words.

Louisville had no one on its entire roster that could guard Rob Loe that whole game. But Louisville did not have to guard Rob Loe when the refs had him in a de facto straight jacket tied to SLU's bench in "foul trouble," did it? After seeing Louisville play in person, I realized Louisville was not even that good. I was not surprised that the Kentucky One and Dones defeated Louisville in the next round.

Well, I held off and waited over 3 weeks to get that off my chest. But my position now is the same as my position at the scene.

Of course, going 0-15 on 3-pointers did not help the SLU cause either.

Pretty sure it was called a foul on the UL player. It wasn't a shooting foul, though, so all that came of it was an extra personal and team foul

[Bay Area Billiken]

I didn't even realize a foul was called on Hancock. Thank you for pointing that out. But and then- the foul on Hancock was not called fast enough, in my opinion. Had it been called immediately when it happened, there may well have been no elbow. Also, what prompted that video review? No foul was called on Rob Loe on the floor. Plus, what exactly is Loe supposed to do, with the Louisville player literally draped all over him?

Further, there was a near in time sequence under the same basket in which Hancock sure looked to go up and down with the ball, and traveling was not called. I read an explanation that the ref did not think Hancock had control of the ball. I dispute that with the naked eye, having not seen a TV replay.

I also have yet to comment upon what happened at the end of the SLU-St. Bona game, and at the end of the Dayton-St. Joe's games, about 2 hours apart, in Brooklyn in the A10 Tournament. Suffice it to say, 2 no calls went the East Coast teams' ways (St. Bona and St. Joe's), back to back. I was approached by a group of Dayton fans, asking me if Galloway (of St. Joe's) committed an offensive foul. Of course, being aware of Dayton insecurities re the purported "Jesuit conspiracy," I initially deadpanned that we have to stick with our fellow Jesuits. The Dayton group got a chuckle out of that one. Then I asked them, what about SLU? We were the #1 seed, right? They confirmed same. I asked what about Jett? They said Jett got fouled. He actually was fouled twice, by both the Bona point guard, and by the Bona Center, who hammered Jett literally to the floor. With Jett on the floor under that basket, Bona came down, playing 5 on 4, and Jett's man hit the 3.

After getting that correct response from the Dayton fans, I confirmed for them the unanimous consensus of our SLU group, that yes, Galloway pushed off on his game winning 3 pointer.

Now some elements can dismiss the conspiracy theory, and that's fine. But the fact is that the 2 A10 Midwestern schools came up on the short end of key calls at crunch time, 2 no calls, that went the Eastern Block teams' ways.

But after all, this is the "Atlantic 10 Conference," correct?

From seeing the A10 Tournament and one Big East Tournament game first hand, my opinion is that while the A10 is a very good league, no question, it is still not the big time, even with 6 NCAA teams in '14. It is like a AAA league, or even a Quad-A league in Baseball. The A10 is the Top of the Bottom. The New Big East, even if it really isn't, is still perceived to be the Big Time.

Let me put it this way, there were no curtains covering the upper deck at Madison Square Garden for Xavier vs. Creighton, like there were at the Barclay's Center for the A10.

[kcbill]

I didn't even realize a foul was called on Hancock. Thank you for pointing that out. But and then- the foul on Hancock was not called fast enough, in my opinion. Had it been called immediately when it happened, there may well have been no elbow. Also, what prompted that video review? No foul was called on Rob Loe on the floor. Plus, what exactly is Loe supposed to do, with the Louisville player literally draped all over him?

Further, there was a near in time sequence under the same basket in which Hancock sure looked to go up and down with the ball, and traveling was not called. I read an explanation that the ref did not think Hancock had control of the ball. I dispute that with the naked eye, having not seen a TV replay.

I also have yet to comment upon what happened at the end of the SLU-St. Bona game, and at the end of the Dayton-St. Joe's games, about 2 hours apart, in Brooklyn in the A10 Tournament. Suffice it to say, 2 no calls went the East Coast teams' ways (St. Bona and St. Joe's), back to back. I was approached by a group of Dayton fans, asking me if Galloway (of St. Joe's) committed an offensive foul. Of course, being aware of Dayton insecurities re the purported "Jesuit conspiracy," I initially deadpanned that we have to stick with our fellow Jesuits. The Dayton group got a chuckle out of that one. Then I asked them, what about SLU? We were the #1 seed, right? They confirmed same. I asked what about Jett? They said Jett got fouled. He actually was fouled twice, by both the Bona point guard, and by the Bona Center, who hammered Jett literally to the floor. With Jett on the floor under that basket, Bona came down, playing 5 on 4, and Jett's man hit the 3.

After getting that correct response from the Dayton fans, I confirmed for them the unanimous consensus of our SLU group, that yes, Galloway pushed off on his game winning 3 pointer.

Now some elements can dismiss the conspiracy theory, and that's fine. But the fact is that the 2 A10 Midwestern schools came up on the short end of key calls at crunch time, 2 no calls, that went the Eastern Block teams' ways.

But after all, this is the "Atlantic 10 Conference," correct?

From seeing the A10 Tournament and one Big East Tournament game first hand, my opinion is that while the A10 is a very good league, no question, it is still not the big time, even with 6 NCAA teams in '14. It is like a AAA league, or even a Quad-A league in Baseball. The A10 is the Top of the Bottom. The New Big East, even if it really isn't, is still perceived to be the Big Time.

Let me put it this way, there were no curtains covering the upper deck at Madison Square Garden for Xavier vs. Creighton, like there were at the Barclay's Center for the A10.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Hanlan's Razor

[Bay Area Billiken]

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Hanlan's Razor

LOL!

Which one, all of the above?

There is merit in your response, no question.

[brianstl]

Bay Area Billiken, I agree about Georgetown (and also every other school located in DC) not wanting to pay their student athletes. Georgetown and all the other DC schools have a funding issue due to their location in a Federal territory controlled by Congress. This eliminates the very important source of state funding for these schools and makes it harder for them to maintain their fiscal condition.

Georgetown is a private school. It wouldn't get state funding if it was located anywhere else.

[hsmith19]

GW is also private, even though it was created via congressional charter. The only public school in DC is UDC, and it was created as a land grant school in spite of not being part of any state.

[Old guy]

Georgetown is a private school. It wouldn't get state funding if it was located anywhere else.

That is plainly not true, privately owned schools get significant funds from the state they are in. They do not get the level of support and funding the State schools get of course, but they do get significant amount of state funds.