Malibubill2 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I was in town tonight and went to the game. Yes, it was frustrating, but they are a young team. They are still learning. Anyone who has actually played sports at a competitive level can see that they are thinking too much and not just reacting. That is typical of a young team that is still trying to learn their new coach's system. So why my heading 'what is a fan?' After the game I read the game board and couldn't believe some of the comments some people made about some of the players, the team and the coach. It is like a competition among some of you to see who can be more vicious, more biting, more mean spirited in their comments about the team and certain players in particular. So back to my question: what is a fan? Does a true fan really make such comments about the team and the players he or she supports? I swore I would never post again - and, I'll do my best to honor my promise in the future. But Grandy was right - you people really call yourselves fans? Yes, we all get frustrated, but I assume we are all adults. We need to remember this is a public forum and the players, fans, and even general members of the public read this site. People assume it is associated with the university and the team (yes, I see the disclaimer, but most don't). I would like to ask people to remember who reads the board and what it means to be a fan. I've always thought a true fan supported the team and the players in good times and bad. And if you want to criticize the team, please be sensitive and mature in your comments. And yes, I read lots of boards for lots of teams I follow. At times this is by far the most immature, irresponsible board I read. And for the record, John Manning was the best of the Biliken big men on the court tonight. There was a reason why he was in the last 5 minutes of the game, and he made important contributions during that time - the critical time in the game when we came back and won. I hope he doesn't read this board, but if he does, I hope he doesn't pay attention to the idiotic comments some people make in frustration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Terrible.... This board is for people who are watching the game maybe by themselves and want to share opinions with fellow fans. and manning is still terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Fan derives from the word "fanatic." Anyone who posts here is more than likely to be a fanatic because they care about the team enough to post. But what I absolutely hate is when someone says that another person is not a true fan because he/she criticizes the team. BS. We all have our criticisms/negative comments. A true fan will sometimes let his emotions speak too soon, but so what? The "self righteous fan" philosophy irritates me. I see it a lot on the cardinals message board, where you can't even critique the team at all without getting called a horrible fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Fan derives from the word "fanatic." Anyone who posts here is more than likely to be a fanatic because they care about the team enough to post. But what I absolutely hate is when someone says that another person is not a true fan because he/she criticizes the team. BS. We all have our criticisms/negative comments. A true fan will sometimes let his emotions speak too soon, but so what? The "self righteous fan" philosophy irritates me. I see it a lot on the cardinals message board, where you can't even critique the team at all without getting called a horrible fan. +1 In the end we all want to see the team do well but we're allowed to be crazy and in the moment. People used to post about this last year to and it annoyed the s*** out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 well said. how can you of sworn to not post again with this entry and you are listed as 1 post? (guess you can't answer without doing it again) i think your version of fan is way different then a lot of the regular posters. I find the board to be more akin to a sports bar or dorm room full of buddies cracking wise and rooting for their team. emotion, humor and a little less reverence then your version of fan which I picture a loving group of nuns saying rosaries sitting around the tube rooting for The Cardinals. If the players really do bother to read this junk and it gets to them how tough can they really be. boys if your reading this stuff and it makes you mad do what MR did tonight when he got pssed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malibubill2 Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 Ah, I love it. As I expected. You guys are great at dishing it out but can't take it when it is directed back at you. Grandy was right. You go ahead. You call yourself fans - but you aren't. True fans can be fanatical and still remember that these are 18, 19, 20, 21 year old kids out there doing their best to represent the school we cheer for. And a true fan, while maybe passionate and in the moment makes crazy comments, but when things calm down realize the potential harm such comments may make. Yet you refuse to acknowledge the important role Manning played down the stretch to help the team win the game. You are more concerned with your right to be an than backing the team. You go, yes, that's a true fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Notice how people are trying to be funny when they post during the game day thread but when the game is over and emotions simmer people are rational and analyze the team and players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Ah, I love it. As I expected. You guys are great at dishing it out but can't take it when it is directed back at you. Grandy was right. You go ahead. You call yourself fans - but you aren't. True fans can be fanatical and still remember that these are 18, 19, 20, 21 year old kids out there doing their best to represent the school we cheer for. And a true fan, while maybe passionate and in the moment makes crazy comments, but when things calm down realize the potential harm such comments may make. Yet you refuse to acknowledge the important role Manning played down the stretch to help the team win the game. You are more concerned with your right to be an ###### than backing the team. You go, yes, that's a true fan. Bite me Bill. True fans can still be critical of players and the coach and the school administration and other fans when they are acting like jackasses.......grow up or honor your commitment to leave....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Billikan? We've missed you. Congrats on the new job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malibubill2 Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 Billiken Rich, I agree - fans can and should be critical of the players, the coach and even the administration when they deserve it. Call it a stupid play, an awful shot, an idiotic pass - because we all make mistakes at one time or another. But to say a player is the worst player in Div 1 basketball crosses the line. You aren't criticizing an instance, you are condemning the player. A true fan doesn't do that to a player on his or her team. That's not criticizing, that's just being pitiful and mean spirited about a player who represents our team and our school. And to stick to that position hours after the game, hours after the passion has subsided, is unacceptable from one who calls himself a fan. My guess is most of you are wannabe's who don't have a clue about what it takes to play college athletics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Malibibill2 is the worst poster in DI basketball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 People who showed up to cheer the team > people who talk sh1t during the game on the Interwebs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Billiken Rich, I agree - fans can and should be critical of the players, the coach and even the administration when they deserve it. Call it a stupid play, an awful shot, an idiotic pass - because we all make mistakes at one time or another. But to say a player is the worst player in Div 1 basketball crosses the line. You aren't criticizing an instance, you are condemning the player. A true fan doesn't do that to a player on his or her team. That's not criticizing, that's just being pitiful and mean spirited about a player who represents our team and our school. And to stick to that position hours after the game, hours after the passion has subsided, is unacceptable from one who calls himself a fan. My guess is most of you are wannabe's who don't have a clue about what it takes to play college athletics. Here we go again.... Every so often we get someone to come onto this Board and warn us MBM's to stop b/c our this Board is read by the players, coaches, families of the players/coaches, recruits, potential recruits, etc. Sorry, but this Board is a site for Billiken fan and is not supposed to be a positive only shill for the athletic department. And by comparison, our Board is rather tame compared to other programs. Now, the irony is that you do have some good points. Some comments could be less personal and less extreme; however, you will find that most of these comments are made during a game thread,or shortly thereafter, and as mentioned, are more akin to what friends/fans would say to each other as if they were watching the game together -- honest, frank, immediate comments made in the heat of the moment. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Malibibill2 is the worst poster in DI basketball IMO this is not condemning Malibibill2 but rather a subjective ranking or appraisal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 IMO this is not condemning Malibibill2 but rather a subjective ranking or appraisal. So it's 50/50? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Malibubill may be correct; GDT's can be a brutal glass case of emotion. But I don't think that diminishes one's status as a fan. Remember, being a fan and being an a-hole are not mutually exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 This debate is almost as bad as MVC vs A10. I read the GDTs but rarely participate in them. Usually I'm at the game anyway. I started the ISU one and that one was pretty tame. The direct criticism of players can certainly get over the top. When we didn't have GDTs there was a lot more educated discourse and less personal attacks on players. The loose moderation of the GDTs also has led to a proliferation of similar type attacks directed at posters on the board, which of course has caused several valuable board members to quit posting. On the other hand I think GDTs have also led to increased members on the board, its an easy introduction to posting. This debate has been mostly kept to DMs and not been aired publicly on the board. Believe me it has been debated ad nausea um and the current state of the board and GDTs reflects the direction the mods want them to go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Billiken Rich, I agree - fans can and should be critical of the players, the coach and even the administration when they deserve it. Call it a stupid play, an awful shot, an idiotic pass - because we all make mistakes at one time or another. But to say a player is the worst player in Div 1 basketball crosses the line. You aren't criticizing an instance, you are condemning the player. A true fan doesn't do that to a player on his or her team. That's not criticizing, that's just being pitiful and mean spirited about a player who represents our team and our school. And to stick to that position hours after the game, hours after the passion has subsided, is unacceptable from one who calls himself a fan. My guess is most of you are wannabe's who don't have a clue about what it takes to play college athletics. You have got to realize, a lot of these fans have been under extreme stress in the past few months due to the Mike Brown/Ferguson situation and may not be speaking with a clear mind. Please do not judge by one GDT, give it a full season and understand that us fans are a big part of this program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I always love the "you can't criticize because you havent done it" lines. That always sets the idiot meter off for me. Thanks for the drive by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Probably not right to even have a message board. The majority of us haven't played D1 college basketball so we honestly can't even say whether the guys are doing well or not. Plus we shouldn't praise one guy over the other. Remember these are very emotional 18-22 year old kids. Think we might be best served just not discussing the Billikens ever again. Sincere apologies to Malibubill2, Austin McBroom, Ash Yacoubou, Davell Roby, Reggie Agbeko, Austin Gillmann, Miles Reynolds, John Manning, Mike Crawford, Tanner Lancona, Marcus Bartley, Milik Yarbrough, Brett Jolly, Grandy Glaze, Jim Crews, Tanner Bronson, Jim Platt, Calbert Cheaney, Marcus Wilson, Danny Brown, Charles Nishida, Chris May, Richard Chaifetz, Fred Pestello, Lawrence Biondi, Rick Majerus, Chris Harriman, Jim Whitesell, Mike Lepore, Porter Moser, Kyle Cassity, Jake Barnett, everyone on billikens.com, everyone who has attended a Billiken basketball game, everyone who has stepped inside Chaifetz, every graduate of SLU, Bush, Obama, the Missouri Valley, the A10, CUSA, all the refs in sports, Mike Matheny, Sam Bradford, Albert Pujols, John Stamos, Rammer, Earl Austin Jr, Metz, Mudkat, Postcard, Emmanual Tselentakis, Guy Phillips, all the players' parents and grandparents, and finally a very sincere apology to everyone with a computer who may have stumbled across the site. As Thanksgiving approaches, I want to thank Mallibubill2 for allowing all of us to realize that we are all sons of SLU and should treat each other as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 What, you couldn't thank the troops? Mods, please ban this poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 The ignore list is really growing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 My goodness, if Malibubill2 thinks this board is rough, then I sincerely caution him about going to any other board of any other team in the country. This board is genteel compared to most. SLU and Wake are my two college teams and after four years of the Jeff Bzdelik era at Wake, I'm still in shock at the abject hatred that was heaped on him and the jaundiced view Wake fans had of any player he recruited. Enjoy Billikens.com Malibull2, it's kinder and gentler than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBills Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Having read this board only since 2010, I can say that the posters are the first to (brutally) criticize the team, but also the very first to go crazy over how good it is - in the best possible way. Malibu Barbie has clearly studiously ignored all praise of Miles Reynolds on last night's GDT. Selective reading at its most annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 He is correct on one point, it is unacceptable for a true Billiken fan to slime a player as some do on this board if the player is giving his best to help the team. Sure, observations, valid criticisms of players are OK, but some posters disgust me with ugly inappropriate attacks on our young men regarding their performance on the court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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