TGSLU Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I wonder if everyone pictured in Universitas actually consented to having their pictures taken. I need to look back and see if I am in any photos. If so, my shame at being a SLU grad now makes me revoke any type of actual or implied consent to have been in any University photographs. majerus mojo likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Do we need to consent to being on the jumbo-trons at games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Did the babies in the baby race consent?!?!?!?!?!?!!? TheOne likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 36 minutes ago, eskimo said: Maybe not just a coincidence? http://law.slu.edu/people/robert-gatter So Papa Gatter is a SLU faculty member/administrator. Has he ever been involved in the adjudication of a Title IX case? The way this case has gone so far, my guess is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Or is it maybe just a coincidence that today's statement came on the heels of JGood's tweet late last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Female voluntarily participates in an orgy that she knows is being filmed. Lies to the police about it. Intentionally destroys the reputations of 4 people with her lies. No punishment for her. Still in school and still a cheerleader. Takes no responsibility for her poor decisions. She and her parents must be real proud. Is there any more screwed up places then colleges campuses these days. What are we teaching our kids? Billy bob, TheOne, billiken_roy and 4 others like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 22 hours till tipoff. Looks like we may squeeze out one more JG game before enforcement. thread burning toward 300 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, slusam said: Female voluntarily participates in an orgy that she knows is being filmed. Lies to the police about it. Intentionally destroys the reputations of 4 people with her lies. No punishment for her. Still in school and still a cheerleader. Takes no responsibility for her poor decisions. She and her parents must be real proud. Is there any more screwed up places then colleges campuses these days. What are we teaching our kids? Do not agree with your synopsis. Seems the gals did consent, but not to the filming. But that was likely the decsion of one, not four. So punish the one because it sounds like the other three, both guys and gals, consented to the other activity. Fair is fair. Class of 1990 likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, WVBilliken said: Do not agree with your synopsis. Seems the gals did consent, but not to the filming. But that was likely the decsion of one, not four. So punish the one because it sounds the other three, both guys and gals, consented to the other activity. Fair is fair. If you don't want to be filmed during an orgy take your mouth off of whatever it is on and tell them to stop filming. I've told people to not take my picture and you know what they did? They didn't take my picture....crazy right? Guys, even one's who can arrange orgies, aren't mind readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, dlarry said: If you don't want to be filmed during an orgy take your mouth off of whatever it is on and tell them to stop filming. I've told people to not take my picture and you know what they did? They didn't take my picture....crazy right? Guys, even one's who can arrange orgies, aren't mind readers. Men Aren’t Mind Readers would be a good sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, dlarry said: If you don't want to be filmed during an orgy take your mouth off of whatever it is on and tell them to stop filming. I've told people to not take my picture and you know what they did? They didn't take my picture....crazy right? Guys, even one's who can arrange orgies, aren't mind readers. Or if you don't want what you are doing filmed stop doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, slusam said: Female voluntarily participates in an orgy that she knows is being filmed. Lies to the police about it. Intentionally destroys the reputations of 4 people with her lies. No punishment for her. Still in school and still a cheerleader. Takes no responsibility for her poor decisions. She and her parents must be real proud. Is there any more screwed up places then colleges campuses these days. What are we teaching our kids? Very strong take. The product of a generation born on reality television and no consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, billikenfan05 said: Men Aren’t Mind Readers would be a good sign You are good at this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, WVBilliken said: Do not agree with your synopsis. Seems the gals did consent, but not to the filming. But that was likely the decsion of one, not four. So punish the one because it sounds like the other three, both guys and gals, consented to the other activity. Fair is fair. I wonder if the 3 of the 4 boys consented to the filming either. If not, are these 3 non-filming not victims as well? Again, my advice is for men: file counter complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSide_Billiken Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 To Katherine Weathers, Anne Kratky, Michelle Lewis, Fred Pestello, Troy Turnipseed, and Whomever Else It May Concern: Feminism is defined as "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." This noble movement was inspired by the courageous acts of Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and the countless suffragettes who stood up to the patriarchy and demanded that women be granted the right to vote in the name of equality. Espousing the same courage and bravery displayed by pioneers of the feminist movement, countless women have worked tirelessly over the past century to ensure that women are viewed as equal to their male counterparts in all aspects of life. As leaders of a well-known Jesuit university, you are in a unique position to positively and constructively advance the feminist movement so that future generations of women can truly be viewed as equal to their male counterparts. Due to your cowardice and lack of integrity, you have failed to seize this opportunity by succumbing to a vocal minority of vengeful individuals hellbent on advancing a misguided political agenda. You are fostering an egregious bastardization of the feminist movement. By turning a blind eye to truth, justice, and due process, you are ensuring that those women who have truly been aggrieved by a system that you so openly loath will continue to struggle to have their voices heard. Three females meticulously orchestrated an orgy that would make the likes of Ron Jeremy and Bill Clinton blush. They used their sexuality to exploit the curiosity of innocent young men for physical gratification. When at least one of the women began to regret her decision, her family chose to exploit their socioeconomic advantages to protect their reputation at the expense of these innocent African-American men. Today, we heard from one of the young women who organized this consensual sexual encounter. At no point did she assert that this encounter was anything but consensual. At no point did she refute the fact that this entire incident was instigated by her and her friends. Her only complaint is that embarrassing photos or videos were taken. The young woman was aware that these photos or videos were taken, and she apparently did not overtly object to the photos or videos being taken. Despite all this, this "survivor" of a regrettable and unfortunate decision continues to falsely accuse these young men of sexual assault. Despite what you may believe, your mistreatment of these innocent young African-American men does not help advance the feminist cause. In fact, these punishments are in direct conflict with the idea that feminism is truly the "advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." There is no equality in your decision. The women orchestrated this event. The women willingly participated in this event. The women knowingly allowed pictures or videos to be taken during the event. Yet, only the men were punished by your biased process. How does this promote equality of the sexes? Alas, there is still time to remedy this decision and restore my faith in my alma mater. This is about doing what is right. This is about truth and justice. The futures of these innocent young men hang in the balance. As we learned in the gospel of John, "the truth shall set [them] free." QUAILMAN, CBFan, kappy96 and 1 other like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I do have some concern for this young women. The adults in her life have given her some bad advice and she made some bad decisions. I am sure she is under a lot of pressure. Hopefully she is receiving some counseling and will fix the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgtholt88 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Clock_Tower said: I wonder if the 3 of the 4 boys consented to the filming either. If not, are these 3 non-filming not victims as well? Again, my advice is for men: file counter complaints. I had the same thought. However, they probably are going into this as team and that would require them rolling on the camera man. At this point they may have no other choice, but it would still be a lose for morale and the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgtholt88 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 By the way I wonder if the girl in my profile pic consented to her photo being taken or if there will be a lawsuit and #metoo claim against me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: You have now proven how really stupid you are. Obviously, you are not a SLU student or former SLU student because SLU students simply are not that dumb. First, no one said the boys, 2, 4 or 6 of them did not make bad decisions that night. Should all bad decisions result in expulsions and 2 year suspensions? And if so, who receives counseling and community service and for what, how are non-student athletes treated, how have similar students/athletes been treated both at SLU and at other colleges across the nation, why did SLU move the 3 players back on campus and reinstate certain privileges? Did the Hearing Officer confirm the decisions of the outside counsel's investigative report? What did the outside counsel, who are familiar with Title IX issues and precedent across the nation recommend? Did all 3, 4 or 6 players participate equally? and if so, in what? Second, what did the police report document? and allege? Sexual assault? or non-consensual posting of pictures/videos? Did all participate in the filming and posting? Did all the boys consent to the filming and posting? It is now becoming quite clear that no sexual assault occurred -- see lack of criminal charges, lack of initial expulsions, lack of more serious suspensions. I call you stupid because "due process" does NOT require 60 to 120 day investigations by any and all actions. Physical violence, sexual assault, battery all are easy examples of conduct which would not require the police to wait, for SLU to wait or for a Title IX investigation to wait before "due process" is reached to levy immediate punishment. No one wants to sweep anything under the rug. I guess that is your "catch all" for the mantra of investigation = guilt and that if basketball players are not punished severely = sweep under the rug and "win at all cost" No other possibilities exist in your world. Sad. What have I done? For one, I voted to change our President who is starting to implement fairness and balance into the Title IX "due process" of his predecessor. At the same time, what other involvement would I have had to know what has been truly going on these past 8 years. And why is Kratky not immediately adopting the new Department of Education informal guidelines as express by Secretary Betsy DeVos? As to discussion of what is the proper punishment for posting private pictures or videos? I am not sure. Guess I would need to see the pictures/videos, see now many there are, see what they depicted, see who they were sent to, see how long they went "public", find out why they went "public", etc. But I would suggest to you that this is a completely different topic than committing sexual assault upon an unwilling female. Is it still wrong? of course. Should there still be some punishments? of course. Again, let's see that the outside counsel recommended. # release the memo I'm saying if they chose to have group sex with consenting partners they didn't make a bad decision. Everyone's moral compass is different and if participating adults consent it isn't a bad decision. How do you realize the pics/video are being taken but not know? I realized the tree was falling on my head but didn't move because I didn't know. If you realize/know you're being filmed and you don't stop or say no when you are having consensual sex is the same as agreeing. Anyone who says it isn't is a complete fu.king moron. If you willingly get in my car and everything is good and I drive away am I now guilty of kidnapping because you didn't verbally agree to go? Posting or sharing the video is a bad decision and probably a crime and any of the students who did that should be punished and I'd be ok with expelling them. You just don't do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Worst case scenario, we lose all three Pgs Goodwin, Graves, and Bishop in addition to graduating Hines and Roby, don’t we need at least 2-3 Pgs in the class since none of the current signees are Pgs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 How is Thatch as a ball-handler? Obviously assuming he won't be our PG but can he at least help take the pressure off of our main ballhandlers for next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOne Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 The term “survivor” used in this statement makes me absolutely sick... “survivor”.... like this was an act that threatened the woman’s life. In reality she was wholly or at least in part responsible for the organization of this group sex act. The only thing she’s a “survivor” of is the embarrassment associated with her own false filing of a “sexual assault” that is proving to be an angled myth. SouthSide_Billiken likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 hours ago, slusam said: I do have some concern for this young women. The adults in her life have given her some bad advice and she made some bad decisions. I am sure she is under a lot of pressure. Hopefully she is receiving some counseling and will fix the situation. she needs to be locked up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I also can't help but think of Seinfeld with the last paragraph that the Post didn't even print. "What happened that night is having and will have lasting effects on the young women". That's why Jerry didn't have the threesome in "The Switch". He's not an orgy guy. He have to dress different, he'd have to act different. He'd have to grow a mustache and get all kinds of robes and lotions. He'd have to get a new bedspread and get new friends. DeSmetBilliken and BrockL like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGSLU Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 hours ago, bgtholt88 said: I had the same thought. However, they probably are going into this as team and that would require them rolling on the camera man. At this point they may have no other choice, but it would still be a lose for morale and the locker room. I would assume the photographer is the one expelled-- so this is the reason for the most severe punishment. This whole consenting or non consenting to being video taped when you know you are being videotaped seems to me to be grasping at straws for a means to punish the young men involved. The facts as posted here do not indicate a situation where a group of thugs raped innocent white girls. By all accounts, the girls instigated or at least encouraged the sexual relationship. One person is the apparent photographer and the others seem to be in similar positions of just being photographed. The female's attorney is trying to market this whole thing as sexual assault, inferring that the men forcibly raped the girls and recorded the rape. If the young men have video evidence of consensual acts, it seems the players can add defamation now in a civil suit, as well as launch a challenge to an apparent corrupt administrative procedure. Title IX is under various levels of challenge and this case should be one that shows just how unjust the process can be, particularly against young men. SLU has handled this mess in the typically incompetent SLU manner. Honestly, if this whole thing comes down to a young woman consenting to sex but not objecting to be videotaped and then later objecting to the video tape, this whole thing has been a sham. There appears to be clear discrimination here as the young white female has continued as a cheerleader while the young men were suspended and face punishment. SLU should be congratulated for setting back basic equal racial rights to the 1950s era. SLU_Lax and Schasz like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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