bauman Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I'm not predicting this but it could happen. The B of Trustees and Fred have heard so much feedback from donors that they realize the seriousness of the school's potential financial loss and realize that the entire "investigation" was flawed from the beginning. Therefore, they are looking for a way out. Since the school has not announced any findings or punishment they still have a lot of flexibility at this point. Change the word "suspension" to "probation" and somehow deal with what they perceive is a worse case-the expelled player -in a lesser, manner. Everyone, except Kratzy and Weathers are satisfied and the school financial problem becomes minor. TF stays as do all the incoming recruits. "I have a dream." David King and Bay Area Billiken like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniorbill76 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Don’t forget time served. For the three that effectively adds another year of suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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willie Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, bauman said: I'm not predicting this but it could happen. The B of Trustees and Fred have heard so much feedback from donors that they realize the seriousness of the school's potential financial loss and realize that the entire "investigation" was flawed from the beginning. Therefore, they are looking for a way out. Since the school has not announced any findings or punishment they still have a lot of flexibility at this point. Change the word "suspension" to "probation" and somehow deal with what they perceive is a worse case-the expelled player -in a lesser, manner. Everyone, except Kratzy and Weathers are satisfied and the school financial problem becomes minor. TF stays as do all the incoming recruits. "I have a dream." I an an incurable optimist. This is my hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I have no idea, but I am hoping the blow back has been greater than anticipated. I still think there is a sweet spot that can be had here. I find it interesting the one player appealed immediately. The others are thinking about it or what? they have only one or two school business days to decide, and if they do not appeal, their "sentence is set, and is effective immediately". I think there will be a reduction of the reducing 18 month suspension, to what I do not know. Not clear what the offense is in this instance, Passing on pics or video? IF this is the reported person, he has ties to St. Louis. He may really be saying he wants to stay. While I do not think he did anything illegal, I am sure there is a code of conduct violation there somewhere, but reduction of the suspension to something that teaches a lesson, yet still gives the student a chance to succeed in life is what the goal should be. Revenge should not be the intent of the punishment, as has been suggested by some about the father of the one student who participated in the investigation. Cura Personalis should be applied to all students, even in disciplinary actions. As I stated to Pestello this is not justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Lax Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I am fascinated to know how the school decides who is the victim and who is the perpetrator in what was a consensual activity. Of course the historical default is to blame the black men and declare the white women as the victims. I will be curious to see if SLU did a good job contrasting how one party was defined as the victim and the other as the perpetrators. If the deciding line is post event regret, I bet the boys are full of regret now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73Billiken Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 In any event, if you have not sent Dr P an email each of us should. Make your voices heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 hours ago, bauman said: I'm not predicting this but it could happen. The B of Trustees and Fred have heard so much feedback from donors that they realize the seriousness of the school's potential financial loss and realize that the entire "investigation" was flawed from the beginning. Therefore, they are looking for a way out. Since the school has not announced any findings or punishment they still have a lot of flexibility at this point. Change the word "suspension" to "probation" and somehow deal with what they perceive is a worse case-the expelled player -in a lesser, manner. Everyone, except Kratzy and Weathers are satisfied and the school financial problem becomes minor. TF stays as do all the incoming recruits. "I have a dream." This is an idea worthy at least of consideration. Something like this could be the basis for compromise, settlement. While this Title IX process, including its application, is troubling, it is said that the best settlements are those in which no one goes away happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billfan7 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 57 minutes ago, SLU_Lax said: I am fascinated to know how the school decides who is the victim and who is the perpetrator in what was a consensual activity. Of course the historical default is to blame the black men and declare the white women as the victims. I will be curious to see if SLU did a good job contrasting how one party was defined as the victim and the other as the perpetrators. If the deciding line is post event regret, I bet the boys are full of regret now. From what we know, am I wrong to believe that the likely misconduct allegation arose from the unwanted taking and sharing of video/pics -- what SLU calls sexual exploitation? Not rape or physical assault. Rosenblum would not discuss the video/pic issue at length according to news reports. Probably because it is his weak spot. I am guessing the punishments were arrived at by the degree the players were involved with this issue. If they did take and share video/pics then the victim/perpetrator issue is an easy one to solve. What is more difficult is why someone was punished who may have not been involved at all as some have claimed was the case with Goodwin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 I have a dream, STILL, based on a 30/45 second period last night. If anyone can save this school and basketball program from itself, it is Dr Chaifetz. At one point in the game last night, JG made a spectacular play down in front of the student section. As I looked down in front of me, the good Dr. was out of his seat, pumping his fist and applauding. He did not look like a major donor who was going to allow the school to waste his prior donations towards the arena. I can still dream that he will somehow be able to get this resolved without a self-induced death penalty. Thanks for coming to the game, Dr., and good luck in what I assume is your effort to get school "leaders" to come up with a reasonable resolution to S2. MattyMo213 and GoBills73 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillikenBoy10 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 He also bought a ton of beers for a group in the student section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillikenBoy10 said: He also bought a ton of beers for a group in the student section I hope he carded all of them first, otherwise they face 18-24 month suspensions or expulsion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 21 hours ago, bauman said: I hope he carded all of them first, otherwise they face 18-24 month suspensions or expulsion! Strongest take yet. Love it. My man, bauman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 The longer this drags out, the more I think my dream "has legs." In my mind the delay at this point is a signal that some resolution, other than endorsing the HO's decision, is being strongly considered. I think Dr. P realizes the untenable position he, and the school, are in if he allows the HO decision to stand. I hope other graduates have responded in the same way as I did to the recent appeal for donations. I not only pledged $0, but also explained why. HenryB likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I am fearfull that their definition of an adequate reduced penalty is not the same as mine..... suspect the appeals by AD and TG were denied and now given that Bishop should get time served, or at most suspension from the team not the school for this season, JG probation, community service, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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